By Anya
And then there were seven. DWTS said goodbye to Kate Gosselin last week. She left with “grace and sweetness” according to her mom, and Kate’s many fans agree. Speaking just for myself, I have mixed emotions about a Kate-free DWTS, but a part of me is relieved. DWTS is my go to show when I want to relax on Monday nights. Having Kate on the show produced some anxiety in me. I wanted her to do well, but I knew she had a lot going against her – lack of a performance background and lack of time to practice being two very big obstacles. It was also difficult being a regular DWTS viewer and witnessing lazy reporters and those with an ax to grind bloviate endlessly about 1) Kate leaving her kids to participate on the show; 2) Kate and Tony arguing during practice and 3) Kate staying longer than other (supposedly) better dancers.
News flash: all three happen every season. Many parents of young children have appeared on the shown. Nearly every episode features some sort of drama between partners. Lastly, the timing of Kate’s exit was not unusual at all. Let’s throw Shannen Doherty out of the mix. Based on what little we saw of her, she deserved to stay longer. However, she apparently did not have the fan support some of the other stars do. Those are the breaks. Now to the other two – Buzz and Aiden - these two averaged lower or about the same judges scores as Kate. What saved Kate? She has more fans. This is the whole point of the show, people! In hindsight, I think it was Kate’s week to go. The other two lowest scored dancers – Chad and Niecy – did put on a much better performance than Kate. So there is nothing to be upset about, DWTS/Kate Fans – things basically worked out as they should. God is in his/her heaven; all is right with the world.
Before we move forward with a quick look at Monday night’s show, allow me to share with you a few nice quotes from Kate’s fellow DWTS castmates.
Derek Hough: “Given the current circumstances she’s in and the press that surrounds her, she had a lot of fun…. She was fantastic.”
Evan Lysacek: “She’s so sweet. We’re like family, so it’s hard to see anyone go.”
Louis Van Amstel (via Twitter after having his words about Kate twisted):
- ”I actually grew on Kate a lot.I did say i wished she would have let her guard down sooner 4 her own sake,but it’s hard in her position….”
-”She never seems to get a break….”.
-”lol….i’ll be clearer.The more i got to know Kate,the more i liked her as a person!!!! Better?”
-”Unfortunately the media is powerful,u have to watch what u say,how u say it,when u say it,what u do,how u do it.Live n let live.Get a life!”
Ok, now as I promised, here is a swift little look ahead to Monday night’s show. The seven remaining contenders will either do the Samba or the Argentine Tango. Note, I want to give a thanks to the blog Puredwts.com for helping me to figure out who is doing what! Also in the spirit of our most recent Gosselin Chatter post, I am going to include at least one nice quality that I appreciate about each of the remaining seven.
Dancing The Samba:
-Nicole: Hands down, the best dancer in the competition. Derek and Nicole work together flawlessly and make me appreciate what I love about seeing truly great dancing.
-Evan: Without a doubt, a sweetheart and most would agree the second best dancer in the competition. He has suffered a couple of injuries and seems to be keeping up a pretty punishing schedule aside from DWTS, but he is always upbeat.
-Erin: Spunky, funny and adorable. I don’t know why I love her as much as I do, but I do.
-Jake: The only other cast member, other than Kate, with no real performing background. He has done better than I would have expected. He seems to be working really hard both in rehearsal and reaching out to the fans to stay on the show. Good for him.
Dancing The Argentine Tango:
-Pam: Another mom, which I appreciate. She has natural dancing talent. I liked last week when she brought out a whole different persona with a little comedic edge thrown in.
-Niecy: A mom of three teenagers. How can I not commiserate? She brings humor to the show. It is too bad the comedians don’t often last long on DWTS because I like the energy they bring. I thought the judges were too hard on her last week. I hope she can rebound this week because I think she may be in some danger.
-Chad: The little I had heard of him before DWTS made me think he might be a male diva, but I have been pleasantly surprised. From what I have seen, he has been gentlemanly and relatively low-key. It is clear he likes to flirt, but I think that is cute. His performances have been somewhat uneven. I am rooting for a comeback this week.
So Happy Monday night viewing. Let’s check back during and after the show to discuss – ok?
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116 Responses to DWTS Week 6: Goodbye to Kate, Hello to Samba!
Thanks for posting Louis Van Amstel’s tweets. The media is relentless. I can’t believe they made it sound like Kate abandoned the kids to go tanning when Jon had custody over the weekend.
I like that you had something positive to say about each of the contestants.
Thanks for putting the post up and keeping the positivity flowing. I like Erin alot she just has spunk. It is refreshing to see all the DWTS contestants reflect so highly of Kate, I think they all realized how difficult it was for her to do it. I am going to miss seeing Kate, I think if the custody issue and hearings really affected her performances and took a bit of wind out of her sail. That being said I know that Kate will have great success in the future because of her stint on DWTS. I am going to be curious how the ratings are going to be affected tonight it should be interesting. So here is my order of who I will be rooting for tonite.
1. Erin
2.Niecy
3.Evan
Now it gets tough:)
4. Jake
5. Chad
6. Pam
7. Nicole
I like Erin too. I don’t know about voting now,since I’m not a big fan of any of these particular people. I hadn’t heard of most of them before DWTS, or didn’t know the names that went w/the faces. If I watch, which I think I will, I will prob vote for dance I like the best. I liked Jake’s dance last week and thought he was giving it all. I have never watched The Bachelor, but have seen clips on The Soup. I don’t know if I would be voting for him if I had watched it.
I like them all and have to wait til they dance I guess.
I like Erin also, but I really like watching Nicole dance. I know she is more polished than the rest, but I think she is giving each dance her all. I would like to see her win it.
Kate’s sister is asking that fans of Kate not watch the show. They want ABC to see that Kate really was the ratings draw.
Time will tell–many of us watched because of Kate, and I believe the drop will be substantial!
“Kate’s sister is asking that fans of Kate not watch the show. They want ABC to see that Kate really was the ratings draw.”- Paula
I find that a little odd.
“Kate’s sister is asking that fans of Kate not watch the show. They want ABC to see that Kate really was the ratings draw.”
I find this more than a little odd. Which sister asked this, and where, and most of all why? That seems so mean spirited. It is a competitive dancing show, after all. Some of us like DWTS.
“Kate’s sister is asking that fans of Kate not watch the show. They want ABC to see that Kate really was the ratings dray.” – Paula
I find this statement EXTREMELY odd???????? Is this correct information? Where did you get this information? Is this sowing seeds of kindness? Who are you? Why are you here? What is your motive? Is this more evil spinning from the dark blogs?
OK , I admit it!! I don’t get it!!
I don’t believe Kate’s family is saying such things, another rumor for people to feed on. She is done, did her best, and has moved on. She said she will watch the others, and I believe she will.
Watch your comments people, someone is tracking and keeping notes on Kate supporters all over the net. If you say one thing personally about yourself or feelings, it is posted somewhere. So sad that someone is so sick in the head to do this. Just a FYI only. Have a great day!!!
Kate’s sister has asked as “a loyal sister with no shame” this very thing on her “Voting for Kate in Life” Facebook page. Lindsey, I promise, Paula is one of our nicest regulars here at IW and would never start a rumor or sow any seeds of evil. I think the request seemed odd too when it first showed up her. After reading it on the FB page, with her apology and admission it’s born from her shameless loyalty to her sister, it doesn’t seem that odd to me. Remember the hulabaloo when Kate asked moms to call in vote for her, before the show even aired? People were up in arms that she would try to “cheat” or skirt the rules. Every dancer does it, hoping to draw in votes AND viewers, which helps the show. It was a lighthearted request for votes. i think Clarissa is hoping for the best for her sister and wants PROOF that Kate is well-loved.
I’m watching tonight, because DWTS hired Kate, and I like Kate. She and other dancers, and that nuttyannouncer, kept me entertained. I think the increased viewership throughout the remaining season will reflect just as well on Kate as a drop in ratings. Besides, I will vote a whole lot less, and they’ll be able to see in their total vote count if it drops off more than expected.
Poke/Lindsey/Justpoor ~
I am Kate’s sister. This information is accurate – to a point. It was taken from an earlier status update on my support page on Facebook. I do not make a habit of posting things on the internet, but I wanted to clarify this for your benefit, as well as mine.
I, in no way, asked you not to watch DWTS with malicious intent. I simply thought it would be a cool experiment to show that Kate was really a draw for the show. Since I’m her sister, she is Numero Uno in my book so I hadn’t thought through the impact to the rest of the contestants. If my words were taken negatively, please forgive me! They were not meant in that way. You do what you feel is right & watch what you would like to watch tonight with your family:) God bless!
Thank you Ann. I just got home and read the comments and I guess I should have added that it was on her facebook page.
Sorry!!!!
No problem Paula- the others didn’t know you’re one of “us”
Thanks to Ann and a special thanks to Kate’s sister for clarifying.
I think the increased viewership throughout the remaining season will reflect just as well on Kate as a drop in ratings. Besides, I will vote a whole lot less, and they’ll be able to see in their total vote count if it drops off more than expected. – Ann
Excellent points, Ann.
I totally agree that Kate has brought in new viewers and many will stick around. I also wouldn’t be surprised, however, if there is somewhat of a drop-off in viewers. The ratings are so huge (beating Idol!) that even with a drop-off, DWTS is having an outstanding season and I think Kate deserves some of the credit for that.
I am also going to have more free time tonight, lol. I will watch, but I am not sure if I will even get online to do the voting. Maybe I’ll just place calls for Erin. I am sure the producers will also be looking for the total viewer votes cast as another indication of what Kate brought to the show.
TheSister – thanks so much for clarifying your remarks. What happened with your Facebook posting is kind of similar to what happened to Louis Van Amstel (see above). Words get twisted. The bottom line is it very clear to me that you love, adore and support your sister no matter what. I think that is a beautiful thing.
I interpreted it the same way Ann did! All is good!
TheSister gets a pass on being shamelessly in Kate’s corner. That’s what sisters are for! Right Jennie? Anya?
Anya, thanks for the update on the other dancers..
Diane, your top three are my top three. Except I only care about our top two, lol!
Diane, you and I think a lot alike!
Other than flipping Niecy and Evan in the the #2 and #3 positions and flipping Jake and Chad in the #4 and #5 positions, your “rooting” list reads exactly like mine.
I wish we knew who Kate was rooting for. She has been too diplomatic to say, but I believe Tony is on record rooting for Erin and Maks (primarily due to the fact that Maks is his best friend).
Please. Who is “the sister” and why should I believe in her? Hey, I found my way here during DWTS, not before so please fill me in.
Where is the sister posting the strange requests, copied here, that she later retracts. Here. On some secret board? Why have some secret area to support Kate? Kate is under fire and, I guess, has been for some time. Her family should come forward and support her openly. If they are real.
This just does not seem credible to me. Sorry.
I’d be happy with Erin or Evan!
The comment still sits uneasy with me. I didn’t think there was any question as to what was such the big draw this season- Kate! I full heartedly believe IW is a respectable site. But as one of the IW contributors pointed out previously the “vote for Kate in real life” FB page, or other fan pages for that matter are not confirmed. So for me, & I’m just speaking for myself, the comment about not watching DWTS makes me question the validity of the the fan page.
Jane-
It is your choice to believe or not to believe- we understand that a lot of questionable information floats around online. However- the administrators of Imperfect Women have done the “footwork” to determine that she is who she says she is. If we weren’t certain- we wouldn’t put it out there. Period. False information has never had a home here.
Anya has the exact same dance list that I do.
I think that what will happen is that there will continue to be better viewership but it will taper off. If the finale has fewer viewers than the premier then it is the Kate factor. I think it will be very obvious to the execs. And that is exactly why Kate will continue to get invites to shows.
Is SmeckyGirl back?
I understand what her sister meant. I don’t think she meant any harm. I for one have never watched DWTS before Kate was on. I don’t have any plans to watch again until the season finale.
I think everyone should do whatever they want. I really don’t think her sister was trying to hurt anyone with this request. Lets don’t make more out of it than it is.
Samantha said” ”It is your choice to believe or not to believe- we understand that a lot of questionable information floats around online. However- the administrators of Imperfect Women have done the “footwork” to determine that she is who she says she is. If we weren’t certain- we wouldn’t put it out there. Period. False information has never had a home here.”
Ok, Samantha, I’m sure you believe what you say. You may well be right.
However, at this time, I choose, sadly, to be skeptical of in the nebulous statements on this site, and of the putative footwork.
I just cannot believe that Kate’s real relatives cannot state upfront and personal that they support her. Why would it be so incredibly awful to do so? The gal could use their help.
I’d love to believe it, but I’ve been burned in the past.
ok, i’ve read (yes on gwop) about how horrible pam anderson was in talking about kate to joy behar; how she *apparently* hates kate and it was so obvious that she didn’t like kate…then i watched this youtube of the interview and that is so not true.
it amazes me how 2 people can watch something and come away with such different interpretations. or how hate can skewer ones interpretation of just about anything. sheesh!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OL1eqBkVDho
Jane,
I believe having a Facebook Fan page that is titled “I’m Voting For Kate Gosselin In Life” is pretty supportive. It is public and it is out there.
That being said, I don’t believe Anya created this post to discuss whether Kate’s family is supporting her or whether the Facebook page is real. This thread is intended for discussing DWTS and tonight’s show.
I think you all have been duped by the Kate PR Team. How you could find this woman inspirational is beyond me. It makes me sad for women who REALLY are single mothers barely getting by. Becoming a celebrity because you shopped your kids into a reality show is really not admirable, and I don’t see why people can’t see through the PR bull and see that Kate is not a nice person.
Ok, I don’t care if Kate is a nice person. I don’t care if Paris Hilton is a nice person. I don’t care if Kim Kardasian is a nice person. None of these people are talents. They are celebrities. I watch or don’t watch, read or don’t read because I’m interested or not interested. The best PR that Kate Gosselin gets comes from the very people that think she is not a nice person. She would be yesterday’s news without the gossip sites racking up thousands of hits for every Gosselin photo or story. None of it costs me a dime.
I have always watched DWTS and will continue to watch it. There have been better dancing seasons, better drama seasons but I like the show. I don’t know what that has to do with a PR machine. Tell the folks at GWOP, that site makes Kate mega bucks.
Anya, Ann, Clarissa, Paula, Samantha, and anyone I missed,
Please accept my sincere apologies. I kept waiting for someone to post a clarification then life got in the way. I understand completely now and “I just want you to know” I will not be watching DWTS as I now have a Monday committment for the next few weeks. Hubs an I are attending information sessions about home schooling.
I will have Monday May 25th free to watch the DWTS finale. Does anyone know if Kate will attend the finale? I seem to recall that one year Steve O the Colossal Jackass was voted off early on and then he and his dance pro partner were in a finale dance. For some strange reason that guy got stuck in my head. Thank goodness he’s gone now. I have never watched his show and don’t intend to ever, mainly due to his moniker.
Thank again all you wonderful ladies and thanks to Kimmie for the Joy B. link. I’m not a Pam Anderson fan but this interview wasn’t so bad. At least she didn’t put Kate down.
FYI Clarissa during quite time I read some of Kate’s new book to my girls. They loved it and have a new past time in writing letters to everyone they know sometimes more than once. As a buy product they are learning spelling, punctuation, sentence structure, salutations, etc., etc.
Each one knows how to spell sincerely and what it means.
Good evening and God bless.
However, at this time, I choose, sadly, to be skeptical of in the nebulous statements on this site, and of the putative footwork
Jane-
I don’t mean this in an unkind way, it’s simply the truth. I feel no obligation to “prove” myself to you whether you believe our statements are “nebulous” or our footwork “putative”. Perhaps you would be happy reading/posting elsewhere. You aren’t the only one that has been burned in the past, which is why most of us are skeptical and take the prospect of false identities very seriously.
Kimmie, thanks for the link.
Just something to keep in mind – everyone associated with DWTS who is willing to be identified has complimentary things to say about Kate. In fact, when their words are twisted as Louis’ were, they have gone out of their way to clarify their feelings.
I get MarieS point too and just want to add something I think we discussed a lot back in the GDNNOP days – what does “nice” even mean? To me it is just so generic and cliche. Most people (yes, there are some exceptions) are a mixture of good and bad qualities. And just because someone is guarded and perhaps takes time to warm up to people, doesn’t really reflect on their worth as a person, IMO.
TheSister, I do think the ratings will drop with your sister not on it.
I’m hoping Erin wins. And, Evan for some reason has seemed to be my number two. After seeing him on the Ellen show, I think he’s showed a more human side. I didn’t see that up until now.
I think it would be cool if Nicole was blown off this week. Kinda like that Cheetah girl from a few seasons ago who thought she had it in the bag, only to be blown out earlier than expected.
After reading it on the FB page, with her apology and admission it’s born from her shameless loyalty to her sister, it doesn’t seem that odd to me. ~Ann
Ditto Ann, (my thought twin). I didn’t think Thesister was trying to impose her will on anyone, just some sisterly support. Kate being on DWTS got me interested enough to watch some more. When Kate was voted off, I thought I lost complete interest. But, then I started wondering how the rest of them were going to do. ABC was smart to have her on. I wish the outside pressure had been less so it would have been more fun for her. I will turn it on, unless there’s a really good movie on at the same time. I haven’t checked yet. Oh yes, for those of you who want to help Thesister out, ABC does have the entire episode online the next day.
Kimmie, thanks for the link. It’s amazing isn’t? When J&K was on, I know a lot of us were able to pick out the moments that would be fodder for the next day hate Kate sites. But, I was surprised many times at what other things were twisted around. The most innocent of circumstances became so sinister.
Hey Lindsey, thanks for stopping by. No problem! I didn’t know DWTS sometimes brings back their popular dancers. I hope Kate comes back, too. Then they’ll see the ratings spike!
I will continue to watch. I really have enjoyed all of the celebrities on the show. It has been a good season. Even if Nicole is this season’s ringer, I love to watch her and Derek dance. All of the dancers have their own appeal. I understand sisterly support, but I think ABC knows Kate was a draw, or they wouldn’t have had her dance near the end of every episode. The rest of the dancers have worked hard, too, and I’d like to see who wins.
I am not sure if I will watch every minute. I still have previous episodes I have not watched fully. I will keep track though and try to watch on You Tube.
I like Erin and I also like Pam.
but I think ABC knows Kate was a draw, or they wouldn’t have had her dance near the end of every episode. -Wendy
Exactly! And in all fairness, I don’t think that was fair at all to Kate.
How many votes are each contestant allowed via phone tonight? Would it be 7?
Btw, Erin will be on Jimmy Kimmel tonight.
That sounds right, Theresa.
Evan was really good. I think I might vote for him after all.
yes theresa 7 …or the number fo dance teams. i thought only the dancers who got voted off were on jimmy kimmel after the show?
jane…where do you live? california maybe??
Thanks Pam and kimmie!
Here you go kimmie…this was on the ABC site as well as the Latenight page…maybe she’s doing the rounds to get support for votes.
JIMMY KIMMEL LIVE, ABC
Mo 4/26: Megan Mullally, Erin Andrews, National School Scrabble 2010 Winners Evan McCarthy & Bradley Robbins
Good point, Wendy.
I don’t know what the heck the judges were criticizing Evan for? Niecy was good, too, funny. I think Jake stumbled too much.
Uh-oh, drama with Erin and Maks. The judges are yelling at Maks because he isn’t giving Erin good enough choreography? Carrie like them.
I thought the music was awful, weird dress for Erin, Len was cranky. Erin did great.
Carrie Ann-9
Len- 7
bruno- 9
You Erin fans are not going to be disappointed. Erin was fabulous. Nicole is going to have work hard to top that. That was amazing..loved it. Ha! Maks is funny w/Len. (He was displeased w/the flair Maks put in). It makes for a great show though. I put the score in for our CA Erin fans. )
9
7
9
Thanks for the recaps for the PST folks! We really appreciate.
Big relief. I think I have transferred my Kate anxiety to Erin! I am glad she did well.
Len, Len, Len – what am I going to do with you? I try and tell people you are really a softy and then you give my Erin a “7″. Not happy with you right now……
Chad did really well! All 8′s. niecy had all 7′s. And here comes Nicole.
Len is giving Nicole a hard time. One thing I agree with him about–the gyrations were not that great. I think I am comparing her to the pro dancers though, now. She didn’t look as good as Chad’s and Jake’s and Evan’s partners. I’m probably not being fair. I actually thought Erin looked better.
CA- 9
L- 7
B- 10
Go figure.
Len’s in a bad mood. Pam is last. They are saving her for last now that Kate is gone. I still haven’t voted!
Well, of course, Nicole was fab. They got a standing O. But, I liked Erin and Mak’s dance much better. I liked their flair that Len didn’t like.
I think Len is my fav judge. I like him.
So you all know where Nicole stands w/Erin.
9
7 (Len)
10
No more scores from me. I’m still watching, but I’m doing stuff.
Ann, thanks for the reminder. I totally forgot about voting.
If Pam does even just OK, I think Chad may bite the dust this week. Not Evan, he’s a doll. Not Nicole, she’s too good. Not Niecy, too funny. Chad’s too good-looking. Not Erin, she was great, and the judges think she’s a top dancer.
Pam was ok. I thought the judges were fair. Len liked it, Bruno loved the acting and he is right, and Carrie Ann noticed technique problems. I say Jake is going home. Anyone else have an opinion?
OK I voted with about 6 of those emails all for Erin, but I don’t think she’ll need the help. She came in 2nd in the dance off to Nicole. and Pam outlaste Evan. I still think Jake is going home.
Jake’s leaving.
I do like Len. I think he’s one of the best and that’s why he’s there. I really don’t like it when the dancers and/or contestants argue with him. They should respect his wealth of dance knowledge and experience. I wanted to strangle Maks when he retorted back to him.
Yeah, it bugs me too, Theresa. I get why the pros put showmanship stuff in there, and it probably helps with the home voting, but they should take their lumps from the judges (mostly Len, since that’s his “thing” the way lifts are Carrie Ann’s) if they are going to do it. I like Maks but man he is an arrogant ass.
I would guess Jake as the one to go as well. I threw a bunch of votes Erin’s way (’cause I adore her), and a couple for Niecy and Evan, too.
Pam continues to annoy me. “I like to be on top”, or whatever it was she said. Sigh. It’s not the suggestiveness; I don’t mind bawdiness, ala Mae West (actually, Niecy is more of a Mae West type, except she mostly talks about jiggling). I guess if you’re going to throw out the double entendres, I like there to be some humor to it, or something other than the constant need to remind everyone how sexy you are.
Nicole bugs me too with the faces she makes at judging. I think she’s just one of those people who is expressive when someone is talking to her; it’s probably unconscious, but she nods a lot rapidly and sort of purses her lips through criticism. I find it irritating for some reason.
Bah, maybe I’m just cranky because I miss Kate! Though I really did enjoy Erin’s dance. Less so her costume, which made her look like a topless Snuffleupagus. I thought the top part would’ve been okay or the bottom part, but together it was just too much. Though she looked beautiful. I have such a platonic girl-crush on Erin.
I, in no way, asked you not to watch DWTS with malicious intent. I simply thought it would be a cool experiment to show that Kate was really a draw for the show. Since I’m her sister, she is Numero Uno in my book so I hadn’t thought through the impact to the rest of the contestants. If my words were taken negatively, please forgive me! They were not meant in that way. You do what you feel is right & watch what you would like to watch tonight with your family:) God bless!
Though I did watch tonight, I didn’t take what you said as anything other than the thoughts of a loving sister who is obviously (and understandably) partial. I’ll be curious to see how the ratings go, myself. Even if they stay high, I do think Kate’s presence drew a lot of new viewers in. I don’t think one can deny the public interest she generates at this point. Lord knows, it has enough negative aspects to it; she should get credit where it’s due for the positive ones.
Well, I couldn’t help myself I watched. IMO Len knows that Nicole is a professional dancer and that she has an unfair advantage over the other stars. He was a little cranky last night. Bruno is just getting annoying and is becoming a cartoon of himself drooling over the ladies. Erin deserved better scores and I am glad she came in second place in the dance off. Pam seemed to be better but I just can’t support her. Poor Jake tanked after such a good dance last week. All my votes went to Erin.
Bruno is just getting annoying and is becoming a cartoon of himself drooling over the ladies. – BMBMGoBlue
I feel the same way. I like the judges as a team, but Bruno can be over-the-top and he has been over-the-top more so this season (or maybe I am just noticing). Take it down a notch, dude!
I agree with Jennie and Theresa about Maks.
I thought the judges were too harsh on Evan. 7′s – really?!?
One thing I do appreciate about Pam is she really does get into the role and becomes the character. It makes me wonder if she might be a better actress than I have given her credit for? Who knows? It’s not like I watched “Baywatch” back in the day.
I do agree it might be Jake’s night to go. Dialidol has him in the bottom in calls. I also think Niecy might be in danger too.
Well, I’ll admit to not watching, but keeping up here with the synopsis. I truthfully never watched before Kate was on, and I really wasn’t all that interested when she DID dance, LOL! I’ll root for Erin, because I think she’s cool, but I have too many other things to do during that hour right now.
I took “The Sister”‘s request in the spirit in which it was intended, I think, but I wouldn’t have been watching even if she hadn’t asked. I did join the FB group, though, and I’ve been enjoying all of the uplifting statuses.
Hi, ladies (and gents). I’ve been reading here, following you all over the internet actually. I get fed up with the gossip that pops up on my screen every morning and so I sought out a place to get more fair-minded opinions about Kate.
I just felt compelled to comment (for the first time) after reading TheSister’s post. I understand that tv execs are all about ratings because that’s the money, but I am so disappointed that DWTS is such a manipulated show. They used Kate, Kate used them, everyone wants votes, but it seemed that Kate also used her 8 children to garner the votes. Now I see her sister is trying to manipulate things. I’m sorry if I’m not welcome, but it is so disheartening to see that the manipulation didn’t stop when Kate left DWTS. I’m not a Polly-Anna but I really wanted to believe that the fans of DWTS were not being played. I’ll have to keep watching (never missed a season) because I want to see how far the others go and I like to watch the improvement of the stars.
Thanks for letting me vent.
LTalbot said: Now I see her sister is trying to manipulate things.
LTalbot,
I respect your opinion BUT… If loyalty to my sister and a desire to truly show her the vast number of fans and supporters she has (via the vehicle of a ratings drop), then SIGN ME UP! I love my sis and desire to show her that she is loved and supported in any way that I can.
For once, the cry of love and support needs to drown out the cry of hate, lies, and cruelty. Let me say it again, I love my sister.
Thanks for hearing me out! God bless:)
Welcome, LTalbot.
I guess I don’t really understand why you believe DWTS to be a “manipulated” show?
It is what it is. 50% Judges Scores/50% Audience Viewer Votes. Of course, the stars are going to campaign for audience votes (especially, the ones that are poorer dancers).
I read on Twitter that Jake was doing some video chats with fans. All the stars have been doing the talk show rounds and asking for votes.
The fact that Kate is a mom of 8 is simply a fact – I don’t see how it was used to garner votes. Personally, I voted for Kate because I like and support her.
Kate’s sister wrote something out of loyalty and entirely too much is being made of it, IMO. The fact is preliminary results show the ratings did go down a bit this week. Kate was a ratings draw, not doubt about it.
I am a long-term DWTS viewer and I don’t feel “played” in the least.
Correction on my retarded grammar:) I meant to say, “If loyalty to my sister and a desire to truly show her the vast number of fans and supporters she has (via the vehicle of a ratings drop) is manipulation, then SIGN ME UP! I knew something didn’t sound right about that. lol
I love my sister, too, TheSister, but campaigning to distort the ratings of a show because you want to show your support seems wrong to me. Why not show your support by being vocal in your support for Kate? People are all over the internet saying that Kate “kicked her family to the curb” and you have an opportunity to set the record straight. If she were my sister, you bet I would!
The reason I feel played is because it seemed that Kate chooses to let her fans believe that she has no family support. She’s even said that on her show and on various interviews. If it is her angle to play up the single mom to 8 children with no help, and that is not true, then it is manipulation.
Well, maybe it just struck a chord with me because last night Pam Anderson told her dance partner that she just wanted to dance and not worry about ”manipulating” the audience for votes. I suppose all of the stars are manipulating for votes to some degree. I just hate that ABC and TLC are playing up the fact that Kate was out of her element, essentially paying her to be their “court jester.” I felt badly for Kate, I really did. I cringed and prayed that she would just go home from week to week. Knowing your limitations does not make you a failure! I actually prayed that someone who loved her would talk to her in earnest and point out the fact that perhaps she was being made a mockery nationwide for ratings! I don’t know what she got paid, don’t care, but I guarantee you that ABC made a heckuva lot more money than she did. I wanted Kate to say, “Look, for the sake of my children and because I don’t have the time or energy to learn these dances, I’m going home where I’m needed.” To me, she seemed to be saying, “Look, I don’t care how much ABC uses me for ratings or how many people are making fun of me across the world, or even that I’ll go down in history as the worst dancer ever on this show, I want the money more than I want my dignity or my children’s pride.”
Like I said, they used Kate, Kate used them. I’m afraid that this little ratings stunt is going to hurt Kate’s chances in the future in the entertainment industry.
I actually felt sorry for her. I don’t mean to upset you, TheSister. It’s good to know she has family who loves her. I feel like she’s going to need a ton of family support in the next year. And I hope her children have relatives around them in their daily life and not just babysitters. (Not referring to Jon as a relative; that’s a completely different topic and I won’t get into it here).
I want to thank you for being kind and letting me share my opinion here.
The reason I feel played is because it seemed that Kate chooses to let her fans believe that she has no family support. – LTalbot
I never believed that Kate didn’t have family support.
Did you read “Multiple Blessings”? She acknowledged all the help her mom gave her during her pregnancy. In her follow-up book, she mentions another sister bringing her canned organic food that was sale when money was tight.
The fact is we are not entitled to know every aspect of Kate or her families personal lives. What Kate chooses to share or what her family chooses to share is entirely up to them. People may speculate beyond that, but only the family knows the full story. And that is how it should be.
Sorry, I realize I am getting off the DWTS thread here, but I did want to address this.
Anya, yes I read the book. She acknowledged their help during her pregnancy. I’m referring to the comments she made on the show, J&K+8, when asked why her parents weren’t in her life. She stated, “They just don’t know how to help us.” And then again in another interview she said that the grandparents were not in the children’s lives. And then again, Jon stated in an interview that Kate’s parents weren’t involved in any of their grandchildren’s lives, that they just weren’t “that kind” of grandparents. Kate didn’t correct that statement.
I agree we don’t need to know all aspects of her life; however, what came from Kate’s mouth and what is coming out now from The Sister are contradictions.
I don’t want to argue this point. Anyone who has watched the show, read the book, knows where Kate stands as far as family. Well, at least we know what she wants us to know. Or think.
Kate is getting slammed out there. Someone, someone who loves her dearly, please reel her in and remind her of what’s truly important in life. It’s not the limo rides or the expensive clothes, the traveling or the fame, it’s being a mom. Those little ones are about to be six years old. She’s missing so many milestones with them, it just breaks my heart. And to have all of the vitriol that is spewn all over the internet there forever for her children to read about some day . . . well, I just wish it wasn’t all worth it to Kate. I know she says she’s doing it for the kids, but I think the kids would rather see mommy at home than watch mommy try to dance on tv.
TheSister, can’t you talk to her about slowing down and re-thinking all of these projects that are keeping her under constant scrutiny, criticism and scorn?
Like I said, they used Kate, Kate used them. I’m afraid that this little ratings stunt is going to hurt Kate’s chances in the future in the entertainment industry.-LTalbot
Hi LTalbot! Welcome.
I agree with your first sentence here, but not the last. The little ratings stunt was just in the world of DWTS and I don’t think she’ll be blamed or it will tarnish her in anyway. I see any DWTS manipulation as ABC. ABC took advantage way more than anything. Her book, her tour, her new shows, the support of TLC…she’s a hot commodity in the entertainment world. I really wouldn’t be surprised if she’s the “behind the scenes” gal on any of the magazine shows now or in the future.
Kate has a great business sensibility and as we know a strong will. I admire that and her ability to transform herself. She’ll be in the entertainment business for a while, no doubt.
I really wish she didn’t have the stress of TheEX while on DWTS. She could’ve probably have done better without all that stress and just let loose. Funny (rather sad really) he’s always out to sabotage her when she’s got an opportunity going.
Funny (rather sad really) he’s always out to sabotage her when she’s got an opportunity going.
I think Jon is jealous of any success Kate may have. I hope she makes it, but like I stated in a previous post, I think the children need more of their mom right now; they don’t need to share her with the entertainment industry. Maybe when they’re older.
I do so appreciate not being “shown the door” here. LOL. I realize my opinions may not be as popular, but I really have the best intentions. I know Kate loves her children. She’s a good mom and they need her right now. Even a year off to just be with the kids and no cameras would be wonderful for all 9 of them. (Kate and her children).
She stated, “They just don’t know how to help us.” And then again in another interview she said that the grandparents were not in the children’s lives. And then again, Jon stated in an interview that Kate’s parents weren’t involved in any of their grandchildren’s lives, that they just weren’t “that kind” of grandparents. Kate didn’t correct that statement. -LTalbot
People grow and transform each day. What was five years ago, isn’t today. And, it can’t be expected that what was said five years ago, people live to those standards. Maybe they weren’t involved and maybe it was for good reasons or just reasons of proximity. Maybe they did indeed visit on a regular basis but not a day to day basis. People heal and grow and if there was a problem then, it’s all been worked out now. Something that always got me on other sites was how Jon and Kate’s words have to always be what was said at that moment and that’s it. That’s bunk…people grow and transform. It’s a part of being a healthy individual.
Kate, nor her family doesn’t owe anybody explanations.
I think Jon is jealous of any success Kate may have.-LTalbot
Bingo!!
They used Kate, Kate used them, everyone wants votes, but it seemed that Kate also used her 8 children to garner the votes.
How so? It was part of “her story”, but it has been all along. Just like being an astronaut was part of Buzz’s, and Shannen’s dad was part of hers. If the intent (by Kate or the show) was to “use” the Gosselin kids, I think they did a bad job of it, considering we didn’t see a bunch of footage of them. Did Aidan attempt to manipulate votes when he had his baby brought in during rehearsal? Was Maks being manipulative last night when he tried to get the audience to clap for him over Len’s criticism? Furthermore, every season, almost every contestant makes hand gestures during the backstage interview portion pleading for votes. Is that manipulative? Are you saying that voting should be “pure” and not influenced by ANYTHING but the dancing itself? (This is a sincere question – I’m trying to understand what you consider manipulation and what you think is okay.)
Now I see her sister is trying to manipulate things. I’m sorry if I’m not welcome, but it is so disheartening to see that the manipulation didn’t stop when Kate left DWTS. I’m not a Polly-Anna but I really wanted to believe that the fans of DWTS were not being played. I’ll have to keep watching (never missed a season) because I want to see how far the others go and I like to watch the improvement of the stars.
I guess I see “manipulation” as a really harsh word. Kate’s sister believes that Kate was partly responsible for the DWTS spike in ratings, and she wants to see that confirmed. Ultimately, I don’t think her request really matters, because the number of people who: 1) read the request and then 2) actually changed their decision about whether or not to watch last night probably hovers close to zero. Out of millions of viewers. I guarantee you it’s a statistically insignificant number.
I love my sister, too, TheSister, but campaigning to distort the ratings of a show because you want to show your support seems wrong to me.
Again, I would say “distort” is a huge overstatement in this case. People were free to do as they wished; it wasn’t like some great pressure was brought to bear.
And anyway, this is an age-old argument, but does it even matter if you aren’t a Nielsen family? I mean, some people seemed so paranoid about TLC “knowing” that they watched J&K+8 that they would do all sorts of weird things in the belief that they were faking
the network out. I always thought it was really weird.
The reason I feel played is because it seemed that Kate chooses to let her fans believe that she has no family support. She’s even said that on her show and on various interviews. If it is her angle to play up the single mom to 8 children with no help, and that is not true, then it is manipulation.
Okay, this seems to be turning into more of an anti-Kate screed than anything else (which is okay; we welcome different opinions here as long as they are respectfully expressed). I don’t know that I agree with you about what Kate “chooses to let her fans believe” – her fans (and even more so her detractors) believe a lot of things about her that may or may not be true. I do not think it’s Kate’s responsibility to address every misconception that exists about her. First of all, she has a right to privacy, and second of all, she’s probably a little busy to be doing that.
I don’t think she’s said what you think she’s said; my recollection is that Kate has been very circumspect in discussing her family on her show and in interviews. As noted above, people read things into what she says (or doesn’t say) that often goes far beyond her actual words. If you’d like to point me to someplace where Kate says she has “no family support”, please do. (Though of course circumstances may have changed since she said it, if she said it.)
I do not personally agree that Kate “plays up” her single motherhood as a way to manipulate people, though I am sure many disagree with me. I think she sincerely represents herself as she sees herself. My impression of her from her show and interviews is that she is not stoic (a trait I can relate to), and to some that comes off as….I don’t know, self-pitying? Martyrish? to some people. I really try not to ascribe motives to her (or to other people, especially those I don’t know). The fact that you FEEL manipulated does not mean that Kate is TRYING to manipulate you – there is a difference.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/04/27/entertainment/main6437342.shtml
Interesting article on the ratings drop last night.
Ltalbot, I would like to kindly point out you really have no idea that Kate needs “reeled in” or if she missing milestones in the lives of her children. Many mothers work and many mothers travel for work. Kate cannot be held responsible for what others do, say or write. That’s on them.
I’d also like to point out that having the love and support of your family doesn’t mean you have instant sitters for your children. That’s why there are daycares, nannies, etc. around.
“Len is wrong one billion percent,” Chmerkovskiy told UsMagazine.com after the show. “He said we didn’t have enough substance in samba. Are you out of your mind? I could give you a list right now, probably would take about three pages, of all the steps we did in samba. This is what I do for a living! I know that not everyone knows what goes into this, but I go back to running four very successful dance studios. I have a staff of about 50. I have trained a ton of US champions and world champions, and I’ve coached [everyone] from juveniles to professionals. Don’t tell me what I didn’t do right because you’re wrong! And if that means you’re too old to be on this show and judge, then that’s what it means.
http://www.usmagazine.com/moviestvmusic/news/maks-lashes-out-at-len-goodman-youre-too-old-to-be-on-dwts-2010274
Thoughts? I like Maks, but his arrogance and need to be right are making me like him less.
Are you saying that voting should be “pure” and not influenced by ANYTHING but the dancing itself? (This is a sincere question – I’m trying to understand what you consider manipulation and what you think is okay.)
Dancing ability, improvement and good attitude. All things that Kate did not possess on DWTS. And it is just my opinion.
And I am not anti-Kate. I don’t believe we’ve seen the last of her, I just happen to feel that any further exposure of her and her children will be to her detriment and to the detriment of her children. I just want Kate to take some time out of the public, let things cool off, give her children some attention and maybe then come back.
I’ve been reading online since she joined DWTS. All I have read (except for here, which is why I chimed in) is negative and horrible, degrading things said about Kate Gosselin. She is the only one who can walk away from it, shield her children and herself, go into obscurity for awhile, and maybe come back later – possibly reinvented. You may say she has to strike while the iron is hot, but I’m afraid she’s going to get burned. And, unfortunately, if she does get burned, it will be broadcast all around the world. Entertainment at its finest. Being mocked for dancing will be nothing compared to her fall if she doesn’t step back, regroup and reorganize her priorities. All eight of them.
I don’t think Kate plays up her single mother of 8 to manipulate people. I think that is what drives her to succeed. She is the one who has to take care of the kids without help. That’s the truth of her life. She’s probably scared in a sense of what the future brings and that shows when talking about being a single mom. I don’t think that’s manipulative at all….just human. She’s at a very raw moment and it’s vulnerability showing.
I don’t think Kate has ever used her kids for votes. She and the kids are a package. They’re a part of who she is…know what I mean?
Shannon’s story about her dad and seeing her dad there on DWTS, that to me was manipulative in getting sympathy votes. It was a sad story.
“… the cry of love and support needs to drown out the cry of hate, lies, and cruelty.”
Love that!
Maks! Maks! Maks! I want to throw you over my knee and spank you! And, not in the good way!
I’d also like to point out that having the love and support of your family doesn’t mean you have instant sitters for your children. That’s why there are daycares, nannies, etc. around.
Of course not. I thought it was clear that I meant that having family close by when your mommy and daddy aren’t home is just more comforting. I know it was to me when I was a child.
Further, again, it’s just my opinion that things are getting out of control. I think Kate is in over her head and watching her on DWTS confirmed my opinion (to me). I didn’ t enjoy watching people make fun of her, or reading about it. I was horrified for her. I think she’s overwhelmed right now and if she has people who love her and whom she trusts then what is the harm in talking to Kate? How can you construe a comment that “I hope she has someone who really loves her that can help her get things into perspective” as anti-Kate? Maybe I’m wrong, but I imagine that Kate’s life is at warp speed right now. Slowing down a bit before you take that next sharp curve or climb that next steep hill is not a bad idea. And even if you think she has momentum right now, well, crashes can occur.
I don’t think Kate has ever used her kids for votes. She and the kids are a package. They’re a part of who she is…know what I mean?
Shannon’s story about her dad and seeing her dad there on DWTS, that to me was manipulative in getting sympathy votes. It was a sad story.
I’m sorry. Maybe I’ve overstayed my welcome. But this comment, Theresa, is exactly why I’m just stumped this afternoon. If it’s not manipulation on Kate’s part to talk about being a single mother supporting 8 children on her own, but it is manipulation for Shannen to say that she was dancing for her sick father, then . . .
Again, I’m sorry. I don’t understand this logic. Maybe because I’m a Libra and I want justice for all. LOL
I’ll say this and then go away. I get that Kate needs to earn to support her family. I believe that Kate is in a danger zone though and being the one that people “love to hate” is not, and just cannot be good for her. I’m thinking long-term here, okay? For Kate and the kids.
And if it’s true that Kate has family in her life now, that’s wonderful. I can’t see the harm in letting her fans know that she has support from them.
I think to me the crying (because it’s sad and her dad) was more manipulative than talking about your eight kids. I think Shannon is a good daughter, but the tears…to me…even though they are genuine…could be seen as manipulative (at least to me).
Just my opinion. Don’t mean to run you off LTalbot.
lily – Ltalbot, I would like to kindly point out you really have no idea that Kate needs “reeled in” or if she missing milestones in the lives of her children. Many mothers work and many mothers travel for work. Kate cannot be held responsible for what others do, say or write. That’s on them.
I’d also like to point out that having the love and support of your family doesn’t mean you have instant sitters for your children. That’s why there are daycares, nannies, etc. around.
i have to totally agree.
ltalbot, if kate stayed home with the kids what/where would you suggest she do during the times jon is there with the kids? when kate is gone more than half the time jon is with the kids. if not she does have to work, as do a lot of single moms. and lots of single moms don’t have the luxury of arranging their schedules to accommodate custody schedules like kate does.
as per the family not being in their lives i don’t think it’s our business. what i do think is that at some point her parents didn’t want to be involved in all the filming etc and because of the time constraints weren’t involved day to day.
ya know my mom is totally involved and has been in my son’s life. his dad’s parents, they were content to see him once or twice a year. people parent, grandparent different ways…and different doesn’t have to mean better or worse.
LMAO, Theresa!
LTalbot, I appreciate that you have been respectful in sharing your opinion. We can agree to disagree. I wish there was more of that on the internet…..
LOL, Theresa. I bet you wish I would go! j/k
But what about all of Kate’s crying? I have to admit, that did start to annoy me. I wanted her to either buck up and try harder (at least laugh) or just go on home to her kiddos.
Trust me, I agree with a lot of things that you ladies discuss here. And thank you for having me today. For some reason, something stuck in my craw earlier (I guess it was the poster who is Kate’s sister? And your moderators know that to be true?) because I have been under the impression, and in sincere pity for Kate and the kids, that they did not have extended family. It really makes me more than a bit angry to realize that Jon said in an interview that Kate’s parents were just “not that kind” of grandparent and he was so flippant. He made it sound as though they were heartless and cold towards all of their grandchildren. To learn, today, that is not the case makes me get that feeling of being played. (Maybe that’s why I got the feeling to begin with). And I’m a bit perturbed that Kate (or her sister) haven’t corrected that rumor. It makes them all look bad. Here I’ve thought Kate’s parents were just jack@sses! And, yes, I realize Kate doesn’t owe any explanation but for crying out loud. If you’re willing to air all of your other dirty laundry, why not own up to your parents being supportive?
Well, at least now I know why I got so upset to start with! LOL
If it is her angle to play up the single mom to 8 children with no help, and that is not true, then it is manipulation.~LTalbot
My comment about sitters and daycare was in regards to the above statement. I wasn’t sure if you meant physical or emotional support.
I don’t think your comments are anti-Kate. However, I do think you presume too much to think that Kate needs to get things in perspective in regards to being home w/her children, working outside the home and what others say about her family. Imo, there was no reason for Kate not to participate in DWTS. It sounds strenuous for any celeb that’s on the show but it’s a short-lived experience.
Kate is responsible for half (if not more) of the support for her children. It’s very rare for a divorced mother to be at home 24/7.
Dear LTalbot,
I really don’t understand how you feel qualified to tell us, Kate or anyone in the world, how to function in their life. It isn’t really any of your business if “Kate needs to step back and reorganize her priorites”. I appreciate that you say you like Kate, and that it was painful to watch Kate dance, it was painful for me also, but Kate has stated bluntly many times over, SHE DID IT FOR THE MONEY. So, now she’s laughing all the way to the bank. I am a fan, not her mother. Nor are you. Please belive me, I’m not trying to be rude, but you do sound more than a little judgemental and quite bossy, and that makes me really uncomfortable. There are so many people out there that are constantly telling anyone who’ll listen what Kate should or should not do. She’s a grown woman. She even gets to make mistakes, if she wants to. The point is, it’s HER choice, not yours, mine or anyone else’s.
As far as all the discussion about whether or not her family (Kevin and Jodie excludded) are a part of her life, that too is none of my business. But here’s my take on it: Not everyone wants to be in the public eye. My sister deliberately let another class member get slightly higher grades than she did, when she was in chiropractic school, because the runner up gets a medal as Salutitorian, but doesn’t make a speech. She is so fearful of public speaking she deliberately blew her chance to be Valedictorian, so she wouldn’t have to make a speech. I, on the other hand, will give a speech any time, any place, with or without being asked. Performing is my thing. She thinks I’m a show off, I thinks she’s a chicken. My point is, her sister and her parents do not want to be in the public eye. Period. And considering the really scarey people out there, I can’t say that I blame them. And they don’t have professional security and probably couldn’t afford it. If I were that close to someone that gets the threats, invective and hatefulness that Kate gets, I think I might at the least buy a flak jacket or bullet proof vest.
Please, don’t be offended, because I really do think you mean well. I just don’t think you realize how you sound.
Dear Caren:
I thought it was clear that I was stating my opinion of what Kate should or should not do. And you are absolutely right; it’s Kate’s choice.
I suppose I have every right to refuse to watch TLC, ABC, or any other network in the ratings race continue to exploit Kate Gosselin. And that is just how I see it. Exploitation of a small town mom, trying to get ahead. When they’re finished with her, they’ll throw her to the wolves. Then Kate’s real problems will begin.
Thanks for being polite in telling me I have no right to suggest what Kate should or shouldn’t do.
Dear LTalbot,
I’m so glad you took it in the spirit it was intended. One of my worst character defects is being bossy nad controlling, which I should have said. I have to fight every day of my life to be loving and supportive and hands off at the same time. I have several friends and family that are leading lives of chaos and difficulty and it has taken me years to learn to keep my mouth shut. Prayer helps. Asking God for blessings for them, makes me feel like I’ve done something without actually becoming what I’m trying not to be and what they hate me being.
I hope we can be friends, and that you stick around here. I’m what I call a Kate FANatical, created so by the hate and bullying I found. I’ve always had a soft place in my heart for the underdog, and want to be an anti-bullying warrior in Kate’s army. I have always watched DTWS, from the very beginning so I’ll continue to do that. My choice now is Erin.
When they’re finished with her, they’ll throw her to the wolves.-LTalbot
Just difference of opinon….I don’t see this at all. I think wolves were feeding off her (the hate blogs). That’s part of her real problems, those morons who paint her in horrible ways and make up lies about her.
I don’t believe when Kate is finished they’ll throw her to the wolves. Kate is a part of pop culture. She made that happen as well as the good and mostly bad media and web content about her. Like everything in pop culture, things have a way off moving onto the next venture. TLC and Kate may part ways in the future, who knows. But, I don’t think they’re going to be throwing her to the wolves. Kate is also business savvy enough and established in the entertainment industry and surrounded with the right people to make her future choices and she’s smart enough to do so.
TLC and ABC are powerful vehicles and entities in the entertainment business and Kate is a part of that family. Kate is on a different career path than most moms, and that’s okay. I think she should be applauded for transforming and growing and succeeding in a tough business and a business that allows for maximum payment. That is what she is doing….succeeding. She’s the breadwinner and she’s more than taking care of her kids and their futures.
As pointed out above, not everyone parents the same way.
But what about all of Kate’s crying? I have to admit, that did start to annoy me. I wanted her to either buck up and try harder (at least laugh) or just go on home to her kiddos.-LTalbot
Kate’s crying signified to me a woman under stress. There’s only so much crap you can handle and what we saw with DWTS, she was having to deal with the stressful situation of an almost deadbeat dad trying to get the kids/wondering what kind of shenanigan he’s going to pull next. Geeze, the amount of money she had to spend on lawyers because of him was so unnecessary and if he were smart and not selfish and thought of his kids first…he wouldn’t have pulled that crap.
Great article in Newweek online about Kate.
Kate Gosselin vs. The Haters…gotta love it.
http://www.newsweek.com/id/236931e\
Thanks for the link Julie Ann. I liked the article. I do think Kate has more than “single moms” as her fanbase. It sounds more like she acquired another demographic of fans after her divorce. Congrats to those that were mentioned. Momsby is in there with a very nice comment.
That’s so cool!
Just popped in to tell the Erin fans that she is safe. They were the first to be announced.
I do think Kate has more than “single moms” as her fanbase. It sounds more like she acquired another demographic of fans after her divorce. Congrats to those that were mentioned.
Hi Anya, I really agree with you that Kate has a fan base not just with single moms but with many women/mother’s in general.With a few men as well (waves to Jarred). I think it’s because we can identify with Kate’s successes & mistakes as women, wives, mother,’s & daughter’s & sister’s..we’ve all walked in her shoes at some point in our lives. Although, I must admit I won’t be dancing in her dancing shoes anytime soon, because Momsby can’t dance! To the sister, I did not watch DWTS, I only watched to support Kate. I have a hard time watching all the show’s that judge(sometimes not nicely) anybody who is trying their best & working hard. I admit it I’m the mom who is alway’s telling my kid’s “It does not matter if you win or lose, the important thing is you tried your best & had fun!”
P.S. Mr. Momsby was very quick to point out that I have not been a single mom for many years..I said true, but I do remember what it was like and I know some of what Kate is going though.
Good discussion here today.
I think Kate is one smart lady to stay in entertainment for her career. I took a “wait and see” attitude about the DWTS gig, but my opinion now is that it was a great move. Did anyone hear the radio interview during DWTS with Ryan Seacrest? He hinted strongly that she made a lot more money than the other celebrities. So now it’s done and there is nothing to do except cash the check. Good move.
Do I think Kate was a good dancer? No way! Do I think she embarrassed her self horribly? No way! I wish she did better and smiled more, but it wasn’t so bad she should have passed up the chance to work.
Are there a book tour/speaking engagements on her schedule? I haven’t seen anything reliable or current yet.
One thing that stood out from the testimony of Kevin and Jodi is that TLC filmed 2-3 days a week to get an episode. Tha’s what Kate and Jon maintained all along. Ladies, I would love the pay they got, or even the pay I get, for working 2-3 days/week. My work week is 5days long.
“It does not matter if you win or lose, the important thing is you tried your best & had fun!”
-Momsby
I subsribe to that theory, too. You have to try things to get life experiences and fullfillment.
btw..buh bye Jake! Niecy is next…
Very good article. It touched on some important points and I am glad that positive blogs got a mention and Momby’s comment was published!
Theresa, I think you are probably right about Niecy, unless she can really pull something out of her hat next week.
Mombsy…..You got published!!!! Please immediately send me an autographed copy of the Newsweek article. You are now officially one of my heroines, ranking right up there with our girl Kate, my mom, my MIL, and of course “Miss Julia” (fiction character in the Ann B. Ross books). You go Momzilla girl.
To LTalbot, somewhere on IW (I think on the thread about the Mom & sister) there is a post written by me that I feel sheds some light on some of the issues you addressed. Please go back and read the many posts on that thread if you have the opportunity.
Never once did it occur to me that Kate was embarrassing herself on DWTS. Her appearance on the show epitomized the original concept of the show to me. She couldn’t dance but was willing to work hard and learn. I admired her perservance and each week hoped she would be on an additional week just for a chance to do better.
The objective that Kate stated prior to the beginning of DWTS of showing her 8 that they should face their fears and try new things was totally met.
Another issue to LTalbot……I am a married stay at home mom of 4 preschoolers and there is no way under God’s sun that I could manage without the moral support and help of my parents, my inlaws, my church family, my neighborhood friends, and lastly the babysitting teens. Considering Kate is single, has 8 children, and throw in the added responsiblity of financial support and securing the future of the children, she becomes Super Mom. So many hats and she wears them all with grace & dignity. These facts and these facts alone make all the hateful & misleading remarks NULL & VOID.
Oops, I meant to say I agree with Lily about Kate’s fan base….Anya I agree with most everything you write, so just put that agreed in the bank for the next time you take the words right out of my mouth;0
Good Morning IW,
I just read an article interview with Tony Dovolani (Digital Spy) where he says he stays in touch with Kate and is looking forward to dancing with her in the finale on May 25th. Yay!
I really, really, really hope this is true. Don’t you?
I think it is kind of insulting to Kate to imply that she is a naive mom who doesn’t know what is going on with her career. She knows that she has eight kids to take care of and she knows she can make a lot of money right now, just being herself. If she disappears for a year or two, she likely won’t have the same opportunities. She’ll either find her own “niche” in the entertainment industry, and keep going, or she’ll fade away naturally, but with some money in the bank. After all, she has a perfect example, in Jon, of what happens when you don’t have anything to offer in “the biz”, and no back-up plan.
DWTS is just a game. Famous (or semi-famous)people use it to make some money and get some publicity and a career boost, and the show uses them to get viewers. It doesn’t really mean anything in the long run.
Ltalbot – It’s not the limo rides or the expensive clothes, the traveling or the fame, it’s being a mom.
Well everyone is being very respectful so I hope this doesn’t feel like we are just piling on. But this complaint makes me crazy. Crazy I tell you, crazy. I see nothing but Target/Old Navy in Kate’s everyday wear. Her on air wardrobe is Ann Taylor, almost exclusively. Half of what is on the racks at Nordstrom costs more than Ann Taylor. They are not designer nor expensive. Most of the cube city I work in wears Ann Taylor, JJill or Coldwater Creek. They are not designer duds. They are nicely made and moderately priced. The white pants/shirt that Kate bought in NYC last week at Ann Taylor totals to $149. That is not expensive. In fact I wish she had gone with the scarf/belt that Ann Taylor had those pieces styled with.
Kelly Ripas shoes that day probably cost more than Kate’s clothes budget for a year. But I’ll defend my not expensive opinion. I buy clothes all the time so I know labels, price tags and designers.
Whew, I’ve been saving up that complaint for months.
MaryS says..
Whew, I’ve been saving up that complaint for months.
Thank you, that common complaint about Kate has been driving me nut’s. I also think folks need to remember. She’s shopping for clothes, shoes, food & school supplies etc. etc for 8 children, who grow all the time… she needs to shop more often than some of us. She probably still shop’s Old Navey sales when things are really cheap too.
Totally with you on that MarieS and Momsby!
What people also don’t know or want to admit, is that the limos, etc. are a part of the gig. She’d be foolish not to go about her entertainment schedule/book tour agenda and not use the limos that are provided for her for such purposes. There are people who are employed to schedule that stuff, not to mention that there’s employment happening with the limo service company. Kate is provided employement for others…it’s the way the economy works.
What else gets me about the clothes thing, how many times have we seen Kate wear an outfit again? She is normal and DOES wear an outfit more than once and on different occasions. I like that…it’s human. But, no, they complain that she’s wearing expensive clothes. Which, in reality, she’s not.
Okay, thanks for letting me get that off my chest.
Momsby, Marie…I totally agree. Bless you all. And thanks for the heads up about Digital Spy. Saw a lot of nice articles about Kate. About six. One, unfortunately, was a reprint from another site about the crew at DWTS being glad she’s gone. So totally bogus. Trust me, no crew member is ever going to say anything negative about their bread and butter. There are way more people available than there are jobs, trust me. If producers find out crew are leaking to the press they just don’t get work again. Ever. Doesn’t happen. Producers run Hollywood, truly they do.
I think Kate avoids discussing friends and family to protect them as much as possible because of bad past experiences. Look at what happened to her friend Jamie when Jamie spent an extended visit with Kate to help out. The haters tracked down Jamie’s facebook page, publicly discussed the contents and details of Jamie’s personal life & accused Jamie and Kate of being lesbian lovers. The same with Steve Nield (apparently the haters believe that Kate is asexual (frigid), heterosexual, homosexual, and bisexual simultaneously since they accused her, with Jon’s help, of having an affair with Steve). Even that poor football (?) coach at the kids’ school when rumors started that they were friends or even dating. The thought of being subjected to that kind of public attack would scare off all but the bravest.
The thought of being subjected to that kind of public attack would scare off all but the bravest. PeggyPA
Exactly. Who would subject themselves to that if they didn’t have to?
What was done to Jamie was really shameful, even extending to comments about her personal appearance, etc. The same with Steve Neild and his wife. The fact that Kate continues to count them as friends says something about their bond and their loyalty to her.
I only watched DWTS because Kate was on. I enjoyed it somewhat, but not enough to keep watching when she left. I suspected ratings would go down. The fact that they did will get the attention of other shows.
I don’t see anything malicious about Kates sisters comment. Sounds like a sister being a sister to me. People who wanted to keep watching no doubt did. Its not like she started a whole big campaign, it was just a comment. I am fiercely loyal to my sister and cheer for everything she does.
I remember Jamie/gate well. She did a wonderful favor for a dear friend and the mean girls tracked her down and made her miserable. Its what they do.
I do love support boards like this and others. Can you imagine facing the ridiculous attacks Kate faces ? I’m sure she hears of the support and concern for her out here and it must help somewhat.
ALL WOMEN everywhere have the right to stand up in their heels and live their right without being attacked. I am so glad Kate doesn’t give in to the ridiculous hate posted against her.
BlogHawg-I can’t wear heels anymore (arthritis issues), but I will defend to the death Kate’s right to wear them. <g> Seriously, the attacks on Jamie in retrospect looks painfully like the attacks on that Irish girl that resulted in her suicide. IMHO, there are many celebrities who turn me off, but all I feel that is appropriate to do in response is to turn them off, literally. It’s not like there’s a shortage of other people to watch and read.
Some seasons I enjoy DWTS, others I don’t, depending on who competes. This year, after Kate left, there wasn’t anyone else who I cared much about one way or the other.
Hello, again. I didn’t run away, just absorbed in some of my own family problems. Something interesting happened to me since I posted here. I have a sister, whom I love dearly (there were four of us and the oldest died last year suddenly at the age of 46, so every moment we have together is precious. Our mother died when we were young, very young, and we were raised by a distant father and the proverbial wicked stepmother), who has cut me out of her life. And it hurts.
Anyway, my sister has one child, a daughter aged 23. This child has been handed everything on a silver platter but has done nothing to earn any of it. My sister claims that she just wanted to give her a better life than she had. Well, after spending thousands on trips to Europe (5 total), new vehicle (niece won’t take the driver’s exam and learn to drive it though) and horses ($16,000 alone this year and she hasn’t even been to the boarder’s to visit the horses she is supposedly training), my sister informs me that her daughter told her that unless her mother divorces her husband of 26 years (and the girl’s father) and moves her to a larger city with more “clubs” and activities (she doesn’t want to live alone and she needs the financial support of her mother), then she will kill herself. It’s an old trick; she’s done this every time she wanted something that seemed extravagant or put her family in financial straits. (My sister and BIL were going through a rough patch, but some of it was because he wanted their daughter to start her own life while my sister is content with the girl just doing nothing and living with them).
Someone mentioned upthread that I didn’t have the right to tell Kate what to do with her life . . .well, I tried to tell my sister to get my niece some serious professional help and not let her dictate whether or not she wanted to stay in her marriage (she said she did, and her husband is devastated), my sister became furious with me and told me I had no right to tell her what to do with her life. I started thinking, maybe she’s right. I just wanted to be helpful and supportive, but apparently I was out of line by telling her that she was crippling her 23 year old daughter by allowing her to sleep all day, no college education, no job, just demands to people for what she wants.
So, I want to apologize to all of you ladies (and gents) for being out of line on your blog. I meant well, but really and truly, I don’t know Kate Gosselin and never will know her. I’m not sure I’d even be friends with her if I were her next door neighbor. But I do know that sometimes keeping your mouth shut and letting people do what they’re going to do anyway for whatever their reasons may be is the thing to do.
Now my sister won’t take my calls or e-mails and told mutual friends that I’m dead to her because I was callous enough to tell her that she needed to make her own decisions about her own marriage and tell her daughter it was time to grow up and take up her own responsibilities.
Thanks for letting me vent. Again.
Hi LTalbot. I’m so sorry to hear about your troubles with your sister, but you have learned a real life lesson. All you have to give anyone in life, be they close to you or a total stranger, is love, kindness and support. No matter how obvious it is to that your sister may not being handling these problems the right way, she has to learn from her own mistakes, and now you won’t be there to help her pick up the pieces when she crashes headlong into reality. I don’t mean that to sound callus, I so know the heartbreak of losing someone you love deeply to a foolish or selfish decision. I hope you are able to reconcile with her, in time. I will pray for you and your sister and your niece.
LTalbot -
Very sorry to hear what you are going through.
I have no experience in what you are going through, but I don’t know that you made the wrong call in speaking to your sister about your concerns. It is a delicate matter, but if I were in your shoes, I think I would have spoken up too.
People often become defensive when they know they are in the wrong (like your sister). Hopefully, she will calm down and reflect on your bond. I truly hope you are reconciled soon.
Thank you, ladies. I sure miss her, but I have known her all her life and she doesn’t forgive easily. I’m kicking myself every day for speaking up, but at the time I had just witnessed my niece screaming at her mother to make her a g*dam* rum and coke and make it right! I guess I just went into a protective mode. It’s sad, because this child had so much potential but her mother “hobbled” her by giving in to everything she wanted and doing everything she didn’t want to do. Just before all this happened, my sister called me one day to tell me that “M asked me how the washer and dryer worked! I’m so excited! I think she’s going to start doing her own laundry!” I know it sounds funny, but it’s the sad truth. And my sister is not in the best health. She has now taken on two jobs just to keep them in the swanky new place (she left the marriage with hardly anything because her husband didn’t want the divorce and wanted to fight it; their daughter said “no, leave now or else!”). Just breaks my heart.
Again, thanks for letting me tell it here.
Caren, I didn’t speak up out of selfishness – I spoke up because I love my sister and I felt she was making a mistake that will alter the course of the rest of her life. And I also felt that she was not helping my niece by allowing herself to be blackmailed emotionally by her. And that is exactly what it is. “Do what I say or you’ll be sorry . . . I promise you’ll never see me again!” Her words.
Dear LTalbot
I’m so sorry if my post made you think I thought you were being selfish, because that was NOT my intention at all. You were in a very difficult position and I have no doubt at all about your motives being a deep love for your sister. I am sorry she has made all these decisions that seem to be setting her on the path of ruin and heartbreak. It must be so hard for you to watch from the sidelines and not be able to help. I hope you will accept my apology for any misunderstanding, and I repeat, I will pray for your, your sister and your neice.