RadarOnline.com reported yesterday that Jon and Ellen plus 8 pulled into his apartment complex and got the kids out of the van covered in towels, Michael Jackson-style. The actual pictures showed up today on I’m Not Obsessed.
First Jon was shown giving someone the not so nice finger and now covering his kids head with a towel. As far as the towels over the head go, I think it looks like they are just having some fun but there could be more to it. What are your thoughts?
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Has Jon had it with the paps? I hope so.
He’s seeing more of the kids lately, I think? I may be wrong about that.
Either that or the paps and the tabloids are losing interest in him.
This picture appears to be the kids and Jon just having some fun. When I first read about this yesterday and saw what bloggers were saying, they made it seem like Jon was pulling a Michael Jackson .
Not sure what was up with Jon giving the finger. I guess only he can tell us that.
I would hope this is the case more than anything. But I’m not quite ready to jump on the Jon is reformed band wagon yet. I will went I see consistent and more long term improvement.
This is a little off topic but I know that the ladies here at IW don’t really mind and I don’t think I will get deleted but I was just wondering about all of the advertising done by Ellen and Jon on twitter. Does anyone have any idea what one makes off of a tweet ad? It also appears that you must say that it is an ad when you tweet it. I noticed one says Ad and another says Sponsor.
Ziggy,
I can understand your thinking. This past month or two for Jon has quite possibly been the most stable period for him since probably January of 2009?
Pam,
I don’t know anything about twitter rules or earnings, sorry. Are you hinting that his twitter source of income might be enough to keep him from selling pap pictures/opportunities? It’s a thought….maybe it is enough? If true, tweet away Jon, tweet away!
I always question Jon’s motives. “Fool me once” and all that. I don’t believe Jon is suddenly shunning the paps out of disdain for public attention. But, whatever, he isn’t negatively affecting the kids w/it this time and I’m all for paps leaving little kids alone.
Ann,
I am not sure. I can’t imagine it would come close but I was wondering if anyone had a clue about it. Unfortunately our number of followers on the IW Twitter account pales in comparison to Jon’s and Ellen’s account so I guess we will never know.
I think the little kids are just totally freaked out by the paps, and maybe one or two pap in particular, and they’ve simply had enough. That’s probably why they were crying in the van when Jon dropped them off that day, all you could hear was the click, click, click of the cameras.
Also, there was a picture the other day of Kate lifting one of the boys into the van after shopping, while the other little kids were gathered around a tree hiding their eyes. It looked like the twins were trying to assist the little ones to get to the van without forcing them to look at/be seen by the paps.
I’m betting that the little kids were unwilling to walk with Jon with the cameras in their faces, and he helped them along by using the towels. No way Jon would want anybody filming the kids crying as they are entering his property. It turned into something fun and the kids relaxed. Good move on Jon’s part, yes – but I still blame him almost entirely for the paps being there in the first place.
No way Jon would want anybody filming the kids crying as they are entering his property. It turned into something fun and the kids relaxed
Nan, you are probably right on the money.
Sorry, I don’t trust Jon as far as I could throw him! I don’t do Twitter or any other social networking, but fascinated when someone gave out the link to follow him by signing his name onto Twitter. He’s been getting as many vile tweets as Kate might get on a slow day on Radar. Before Ellen closed her Twitter to prying eyes, she posted a pic of checks she’d gotten from doing surveys, Pam. They both are into finding sponsors – big time! Some who have replied, that follow them, were very negative re. doing surveys & ads…’too much Twittering for people who work for a living’. The latest round of haha’s is the fact neither Jon nor Ellen have been given ‘celebrity status’. (Your guess is as good as mine as to what that means.) Jon has been punished for many remarks - He asked ’ what does one do w. 8 kids when it’s raining.’ (Call Kate!) He’s given away when he had the children on Twitter’, & yet claims he wants them protected from the paps. Go figure. I certainly can’t…nor can his Twitter followers. Strange man! At least he stopped w. the daily Tweets – I miss my children. I love you Ellen or ‘babe’! Blech. Has anyone forgotten - Jon’s job is listed: ‘celebrity’?
I doubt Jon did anything but PLAN to have INF take this photo. Just as the photo of him ‘giving the bird’…every one of these are INF’s, & not by happenstance. (We do know his INF history.) While the kids look like they’re having a ball hiding under the towel…typical Jon. He knows Kate’s own approach is reasoned & dignified. Jon, picking the 8 up outside the gates…no new signs of harmony in Gosselinland. SAD! This is a new & improved Jon? I’m sure Kate deals w. the aftermath, & bites her tongue. No one but the children lose out w. this flip behavior. Amen!
No way Jon would want anybody filming the kids crying as they are entering his property
Nan, I think you have hit on something there.
I agree with HB. This was planned by Jon to make it look like a Michael Jackson stunt but Jon is cunning enough to know to make it a game with the kids so they wouldn’t get upset. Jon wanted to create drama and he knew darn well Kate would be upset and “get” his latest stunt. Remember Jon is very passive aggressive and this is the type of things he does. Jon is pretending to those he can fool in the public that he doesn’t want pap pictures of the kids but yet his old personal pap/bodyguard is the one conveniently there taking photos at the right time and at the right place. How many times have we seen Kate leaving the house with the kids when it was just her and the kids? You don’t so one can’t use the excuse that a pap follows both of them. Yes I’m sure Jon has found a way to get info of what, where and when Kate will be doing something and he sends his pap to take pictures. It’s easy to fool younger kids into getting what info you want out of them and the kids don’t have a clue that daddy is using that info. Jon’s personal pap and the INF pap are always there at the exact moment, come on let’s be real here so you must realize it’s all set up. I still believe Jon was pissed the last time he went to pick up the kids because Kate made sure there wasn’t an opportunity for the pap pictures of the kids but Jon devised another plan to pull his schemes at his own place. It’s just my opinion but to me Jon hasn’t changed at all and these are all stunts like he has been pulling for a long time now. Even Jon flipping the pap off was no doubt planned to make the public think he is against the paps. Everything that has been done spells Jon’s behavior for the past year.
The more I think this through, the more I’m convinced this is another stunt by Jon at the expense of the kids.
Regardless of it all being in fun or not (now very doubtful), the fact of the matter stands, Jon still has his paps taking pics. The apt. complex can be considered techinically private property. If Jon didn’t want the kids picutre taken by the paps, he could call the property manager, who could demand the pap leave or call the police and have the pap removed.
P.S. Sorry for another post…it took me almost 2 hrs. to get back to completing #12. (Have you at IW done anything on ‘Sidetracked’ Moms/wives?)
Nan, I DO agree w. your take on the children NOT liking the paps. It’s painfully obvious! (DWTS # made quite the public statement!) I cannot imagine living w. that kind of garbage behind every bush & parked car. It has to be frightening. Nor should any CHILD be subjected to the questions that you know are being shouted when they see them! A very sub-human part of this runaway culture of celebrity!
HB,
Sidetracked’ Moms/wives?
I am not sure what you are referring to?
I agree with a couple of you ladies. Jon will do ANYTHING to get ANY kind of pictures taken of him. Seeing him just picking up the kids or taking them back is getting hum drum Sooooooo–let’s PRETEND to shield them from cameras–What a great Dad he is!!!
Don’t buy it for a minute!!!
Pam…you may just start by-passing my less than reasoned afterthoughts. (My thoughts speed faster than my fingers do. ;0( ) I was apologizing for starting a comment & being so sidetracked that I left that task to do other things. It has been my lot in life…I have many things going at the same time, & forget/put-off completing one task before starting another. i.e. I can decide to use Windex to clean windows…& end up washing the walls. I started a comment on your board, & noticed e-mails were coming in…? I call it sidetracked, others may just call it an old lady w/o focus.
Mom of KT – We don’t.
Please let Kate know we are looking forward to her appearance on the Emmy’s.
- back to singing my happy song with additional lines -
Kate’s going to the Emmy’s, Kate’s going to the Emmy’s
Jon can’t ruin it, Jon can’t ruin it.
HB,
LOL, LOL. For some reason I thought it was some new show out on TV. We talked a couple of weeks ago about doing a thread on Sister Wives ( apparently a new show coming out this September) and I thought maybe you were suggesting another one.
Recently I had the pleasure of meeting though the internet a wonderful woman from Australia. Music is her passion and we have had multiple emails regarding this and I just posted an interview that I did with her. She is the conductor for the West Australian Nightingale Chorale and if anyone is interested the post can be found in Entertainment.
Oh, HB, I suffer the same affliction! I drive myself nuts sometimes!
Ouch, Mom of…! How all of this must impact your heartstrings. I for one, still & will always feel odd making comments about anyone I don’t know. Unfortunately, Jon’s behavior is NOT as much of a guessing game, but a very familiar, telltale, open book of what I’ve observed & experienced in my own life. (Add cameras & national recognition…can’t begin to wrap my head around that in any common equation.)
On the other hand, Kate has been a delight to follow. I’ve fortunately been the beneficiary of very strong women in my life. (Not my own mother!) Yes, divorce being part of it. Whether Kate is doing the right thing, perfectly…do any of us really know those answers while living our own lives? Yet what I’ve seen, read & observed…Kate certainly has caught my attention w. awe, respect & even some ah-ha moments of - ’I wish I’d thought of that!’
Oh how wish/pray to hear a happy ever after ending…! I suspect there are many who share in that over simplified wish!
Thanks Ziggy…I needed to hear that. ;0) When my children were young, they thought I was a mechanical drill sergeant who never forgot ANYTHING…! Now that they are long gone, & my daughter a new mom, she has found me out.
When are the Emmy’s? They are coming up soon, aren’t they?
It’s obvious the paparazzi pictures are upsetting to some of the kids and the TLC cameras generally aren’t. If Jon arranged for another photo op of him picking up the kids, Michael Jackson-style, shame on him. If he did indeed come up with a silly game to ease their fears because he can’t control the situation, thank goodness.
I talked with a friend whose father met Kate and the kids shopping on Saturday morning. They must have finished their Stride Rite filming. It was in another store in the same shopping complex and this man had no idea who Kate + her 8 are. He could tell she was their mom even though they were clearly Korean and she was an attractive blond. He thought the children were beautiful and remarked that they were extremely well-behaved. He noticed cameramen after noticing the kids. I sure hope I get to see him on TV!
HB:
Oh how wish/pray to hear a happy ever after ending…! I suspect there are many who share in that over simplified wish!
I too, pray for Kate and the children….Kate has been trying to sow seeds of peace to no avail with Jon–she’s publicly admitted her fault in the divorce, and remains silent about Jon–Kate is sowing seeds of peace, and Jon is sowing seeds of discord–he will reap the whirlwind, and Kate will find the peace her heart is longing for….
I do not believe Jon has changed. He is trying everything he can to get back in the entertainment business and also try to make Kate look bad. Sorry Jon, not falling for your BS.
Below is tweets between Jon and someone against filming.
@LiisaBella tweet to Jon:
really hoping @jongosselin1 will finally stop letting TLC buy his kids childhoods. Those kids are exhausted! They didnt even get a summer about 3 hours ago via web
@jongosselin1 return tweet:
about 3 hours ago via Twitter for Android
RT @ellen_ross1 @liisabella Agreed. And we are doing the best we can currently
@LiisaBella tweet to Jon:
@jongosselin1 I know it must be a rough and winding road dealing with all the corporate bs. The looks on ur babies faces just makes me sad about 2 hours ago via web in reply to jongosselin1
@jongosselin1 return tweet:
@LiisaBella it is. thank you for your support though about 1 hour ago via web in reply to LiisaBella
I wonder if Jon is still getting a paycheck from TLC. If so, what would they think of his tweets?
I think LissaBella needs to watch Kate+8 and stop looking at the pictures the paparazzi take.
I also think Jon is an idiot for tweeting about his children. And how dare him saw “WE”. Ellen will never be their mother and will never have the right to make decisions in their lives. That is for Kate and Jon.
I really hope Kate finds out about these tweets and gets her lawyer to make Ellen stay away from her children. Ever since Ellen laughed at that video calling Kate names and saying she tricked Jon into having the kids, I do not trust her. Plus the children need alone time with their father.
babsy, when I think Jon could stoop no lower, why do your Twitter quotes bother me as much as they do? It sickens me that Ellen has now become the ‘stepmom’ in waiting. It is nothing short of disgusting. The fact that Jon returned to PA. Found Ellen. And THEN returned to the Reading area with her…’here’s Dad kids, & please give my girlfriend a hug. I’m home!’ IF this man had an ounce of common sense, much less the heart of a loving father, he would have KNOWN this was too much for his children to handle! Do I ever agree with everything you said. I too do not TRUST Ellen. I’ve little doubt that she has a choke chain around Jon’s neck. Just what Jon likes. Her list of ever-increasing people she follows on Twitter…tells exactly who she is, what she’s interested in, & is busy narrowing down where she & Jon will fit in ‘their celebrity’. She’s more than ready to flee Camp Hill, PA & head to Beverly Hills. 8 children don’t figure into her scheme, yet. Does anyone believe Jon will buy a huge house near Reading, win custody, & live happily into his dotage?
Hello Sylvia Lafair…how’s Jon’s lessons/book on being a good father, ex, boyfriend & business leader going? We know you like Ellen & her interaction w. Jon’s children. Babysitter or future stepmother material?
Forgive me…for I have much abused this site~
HB says….Forgive me…for I have much abused this site
Hardly. We are lucky to have YOU!
Someone further up mentioned being wary of making judgments about people we don’t really know. That is the basis for my strong feelings on the way Kate has been treated by some bloggers. We know so little about her compared to what we think we know. I continue to give her the benefit of the doubt. She was lovely and professional in my one interaction at a book signing with her. She has a gracious and supportive mom and sister. She has conducted herself with dignity since the divorce and her children continue to appear to be very well-behaved and well-cared for. In other words, everything that I have seen of Kate (and granted it is a small amount of who she truly is) is mostly positive.
Now to Jon. For the last 18+ months, almost everything I have seen of Jon’s behavior has been either mildly annoying or seriously concerning. I hope he is turning things around, but there continue to be actions that cause me to shake my head. So while I don’t really know him, my first impulse is NOT to believe that the towel stunt was all in good faith. If I am wrong, I am wrong, but I can’t ignore everything that has gone on to date.
I also don’t believe he is done with the paps or in trying to extend his time in show business. I have no idea what he is making from the Twitter ads, but I seriously doubt it is enough to feed, clothe, house and educate eight children. As usual, I think the vast majority of the real work of doing that falls on Kate.
babsy, thanks for bringing that over. He’s just as responsible for the children being on the show as Kate is. “Doing the best we can”. Oh, Jon it’s such a struggle for you. I can’t believe people think Jon is a victim of TLC. He thought he was above it all and tried to get out of his contract. It didn’t have anything to do w/his kids being filmed. He never tried to avert attention the entire time the show was stopped. I don’t know what he’s trying to accomplish, but it would be nice if he would quit playing these games. I’ve said it before, I think the best Kate can hope for is that Jon sees his children some and keeps them safe when they are with him.
Jon sits back and draws a LARGE check for nothing more than putting his name on a piece of paper allowing the kids to film then acts as if he’s trying to protect the children & accepts sympathy tweets from people expressing sympathy that his children are being filmed.
He is full of crap and the biggest hypocrite I’ve ever seen in my life.
The chicken story may well be true and it may be the courts keeping Jon off Kate’s property, not Kate as it seems immediately after the report of the chicken story, Jon was banned from the property. Jon just wants to make it appear it’s Kate.
Just as well Jon signs the paper of his free will as with his past behavior and lack of responsibility of the past year, and lack of income, should Kate want to ever push the issue, she may well stand a very, very good chance of the court overuling Jon if Jon ever wanted to try again to pull the plug on filming. And then Jon would get nothing.
I saw the pics of Jon and the kids, and Ellen sneaking into the picture so she could be in the news also. Jon is no victim here, don’t kid yourself for one minute, he knows what pushes Kate and TLC’ S button. What I will never understand as why TLC continues to give him a check when he has broken everything in a contract. It’s time for all of them to stand up and drop him on his behind. He has hurt his children so much, but wants the public to think he is such a good Daddy. What Daddy gets to play all day, no job, no future, owes everyone money, sits on a couch all day and twitters away. The shameful people in this whole thing is TLC, they hide and never have backed Kate up for what Jon has done to this family. Giving her a contract yes, but letting Jon destroy her and the kids is just not right. I think for Kate to find peace she will have to relocate down the road when the show is over, as Jon will be long gone and the people where she lives have been very hateful to her and the children. I do pray for her and the kids and her family that has stood by her. Kate has more guts than anyone I know. Sorry for my rant, but TLC needs to do something!!!
Anya, Lily…one of you does live in PA? First thing I woke up to was the radio reporting that Philly has now decided to levy a $300 blog license fee. The woman they talked w. had earned & reported $30 during ’09… was tracked down by her local cash-strapped reps. They did not identify her blog, other than to say it was a hobby & not business related. UGH!
Ann actually lives in PA. I guess you could say that I am technically the blog owner so she will be spared that fee. I don’t live in PA. Wow, these states are looking everywhere to get money. I would love to read about that. I will have to do a google search.
Ziggy–I told Kate that you ladies are looking forward to seeing her on the Emmy’s. She appreciates the support!!
Pam, dare I say ‘Drudge Report’ has a link to the Philly story! (Please know I was not sticking my nose into your business.) That this has happened in Philly is of some concern, as 18 mos. ago it was another political football that the internet should not be ‘free’. Slowly…or perhaps not, other cities – towns could just follow suit w/o it being a nationwide additional TAX!
HB,
I know you were not sticking your nose into our business. I love people bringing in this info. My husband has actually had this conversation with me several times in the last year that the state and federal government will be reaching their hand out in the internet world.
I am kind of wondering about blogspots or Blogger though because it is actually owned by Google and they actually own the blogs and the person that blogs I believe is considered more of an administrator.
On another note, there is an interesting article in the Los Angeles Times today about lawsuits and on line blogging.
Hi Ziggy…not so sure Jon will ever lose his ‘daddy card’. As much as Jon may need $$$, unless he can up his ante finacially thru’ TLC having access to ‘his children’…I have little doubt we’ll ever see the 8 on t.v. thru’ TLC. As I said on your blog, I thought next month was when this last contract runs out. I feel pretty comfortable in guessing that it would be a cold day in hell before Jon would reconsider aiding & abetting Kate’s ability to earn one more penny off a show he still has control over thru’ their children . When the word became public that Kate was asked to take part in the Emmys…all of you who are familiar w. the program, guessed that Jon’s most recent antics were revved up because of Kate’s continued recognition for the ‘it factor’. It would appear to me, you are all spot-on! Those Twitters must be his public salvo…bye-bye Kate+8. Or perhaps Kate has already expressed her unwillingness to continue w. it when Jon agreed to evade trial by signing - ONE LAST TIME. Just how much more can Kate put up w. that involves trying to engage Jon rationally? Not so sure it’s even worth it for TLC…? Dunno.
The shameful people in this whole thing is TLC, they hide and never have backed Kate up for what Jon has done to this family~Snickers
Snickers, I agree w/you that Jon has done horrible things. He has done so many, that’s actually hard to keep up w/them all. He has never stopped only quieted down in between his grasps for public attention. I do disagree about TLC. I have no problem if TLC wants to drop Jon. But, I don’t think they should takes side in family affairs. They should continue to act as corporation who wants successful shows. A corporation keeping their employees in line w/their contracts is one thing, to interfere in a domestic situation is another. It’s up to Kate and/or the court to stop Jon from playing games w/Kate.
I think most people do see Jon for what he is. He’s not fooling anyone but those that want to be fooled. As for the towel thing, I’m all for J&K finding fun ways for the kids to hide from the paps. Whatever his goal, this one doesn’t seem to be harmful. I saw a pic of the kids hiding their face against a lamp post (or something) on one of the school shopping trips. I have no idea if they were playing a game, or hiding from the paps. In all the pics I see, the kids are not liking the paparazzi. I’m hoping they’re finding some fun ways to deal with them. I don’t think it’ll avert the paps, but it may make it easier on the children.
I can only hope the “paycheck” TLC gives Jon mostly goes back to Kate for child support because you know if it isnt taken directly from the check, she never will see a penny. In TX thats the way Child support works… right outta the check and trust me if my ex ever gets a check without it coming directly out, i never see a penny. If he gets to pocket the money TLC should drop him completly. I dont see how Jons permission is needed if Kate has sole custody and the filming occurs on her custody time. Just like Im sure thats why Kate cant control what pics are taken on Jons visitation time. ON A POSITIVE NOTE… New Kate + 8 coming next week… yay!!
Pam, thanks for that link. I can understand your husbands thoughts…they are shared by my husband as well. I’m so ‘wet behind the ears’ w. this blogging business…the reason I’m here, I can blame on the Gosselins. ;0) I’ve been a lurker, not a joiner, but for reasons that are evident here & a couple of other places…you monitor & set the tone.
As I’ve publically said, (probably shouldn’t have) I did volunteer at the WH. They were just beginning to use computers to generate what we did…but w. very narrow margins. Most was still done w. pen & paper. Not so now! The 1st time I linked to the WH last year…I am on ‘a list’. I didn’t click on anything but to read a story. I filed that away having no problem w. it until I signed onto RADAR – my 1st experience w. ‘talking’ over the internet. During that simple process, I got bumped to a WH link asking me to sign in???? I wrote Radar asking them what gives…no answer. (No, it never happened again, & no, I never signed anything from the WH link!) I’d like to think this was some sort of screwy internet event…but there is no doubt in my mind that the ACLU is more than busy garnering a whole new sub-set of legal cases. AGAIN, I live w. caution but perhaps forgetting…’trust but verify’. Maybe those words should be switched on the internet.
I also wonder why Jons permission is needed. Charlie Sheen went to court to stop his girls from appearing on is ex, Denise Richards, reality show and the court denied his request.
Great point GeeWhiz… i thought of Charlie Sheen last year when the filming was stopped…. I assume TLC just waited til they got Jon in court and gave the kids and Kate a nice break from filming. It didnt seem to slow Kate down one bit and she appears to have had one great year in 2010!
Hmmm… smart gals, GeeWhiz & Lindsay. I bought into Jon not only breaking his part of the TLC contract, but refusing to sign off on the 8′s involvement with the show…because they were still married & equal partners?
PA & CA don’t remotely match w. their divorce laws. As it was w. my own parents’ divorce, no major decisions could be made before I reached majority w/o both of my parents legally signing off in agreement…i.e. what state I lived in; what school I went to; religion was shared, but was part of it; plus major medical decisions. Yes, my mother had primary custody & my father had specific visitation dealing w. holidays…! Having said all of that…I guess we’ll find ot soon enough what is in the works when this latest Kate+8 contract expires. (Am I making this up, but didn’t dear Heller remark that Jon was basically being black mailed by TLC, in forcing him to honor this new contract to drop the costly law suit against him?)
HB – Heller lied just as Jon did so I have a hard time believing anything he has said.
Jon had no case. Heller knew it. If any blackmailing was being done (although, technically, I think extortion is a better term), it was Heller and Jon extorting TLC with the threat of withdrawing Jon’s consent for filming (TLC had always said that BOTH parents had to consent or filming would stop.) TLC called Jon’s bluff when it stopped filming. Jon only had one bargaining chip and it’s gone. I suspect that the whole consent for filming thing was worked out in the custody determination. Also, I sincerely doubt Jon has joint LEGAL custody (Kate clearly has fully physical custody with Jon having visitation rights). Generally, courts’ don’t approve joint legal custody (both parents having to sign off on major life decisions for the kids) where there is this much hostility, particularly from the parent without physical custody since that parent can use withholding consent as an obstructionist or just plain spiteful technique to harass the spouse with physical custody. Courts can craft an order that requires that the non-custodial spouse be given access to school and medical information about the children since having that information is both important in protecting the parent-child relationship and is needed when the non-custodial spouse has the kids for visitation (you need to know if a child has, say, devel0ped a food or medical allergy; ignorance can be deadly). A court dealing with divorce and custody matters can have one concern and one concern only in dealing with issues affecting the children: What is in the best interests of the child? There are definite presumptions and not all who seek the court’s intervention are on equal footing. Parental positions usual have priority, but that can be overcome. In some cases, even where someone does not have legal custody or is not a biological or adoptive parent, he or she can establish that they have acted in loco parentis and have established a parental relationship with the child (this often happens when someone, like a grandparent, raises a child for prolonged periods when the child’s biological parents are unable or unwilling to perform their duties as parents, or a step-parent who, although unable to adopt because both biological parents are still active, establishes such a role with a child over the years when the parent who is his/her spouse has custody, for instance.)
Im sure TLC has better things to do than blackmail Jon Gosselin!!! lol In TX I even have “joint managing conservatorship” of my little one, but that just gives the father the right to know about things, not that consent is required. I have to think Kate had the better attorney in the divorce and Jon was none too concerned with the kiddos or he wouldnt have been socked with the child support he got. If he would have fought (or cared for) for 50/50 parenting I am sure the child support could have gone the other way or been mute. He choose not to be the main parent (or any parent at the time) so I have to think Kate gets to call the shots (as it should be considering she is the one raising them) I think Kate just let the dust settle on J&K+8 and Jon “agreed” to the show if he got $$…. to me thats Jon blackmailing TLC… TLC would rather have both parents on board but I doubt they have to have them both… the show has nothing to do with Jon.. And Im sure Mr Gosselin has no funds to sue Kate to stop anything now. If he had a JOB and paid his child support, maybe Kate could stay home and just be a mom… instead she has to be Mom and Dad in the income area!
I’m just wondering out loud here. I would never ask Mom of KT to answer this since I do try to live by the conviction that just because I’m curious doesn’t make it any of my business, but I do wonder how much of the distance that appeared to exist between Kate and her parents at one point was due to Jon’s behavior and manipulation. There was a long period when Kate was hospitalized and Kate’s parents were helping out with the twins (so much for Jon’s claims that the Kreiders were not interested in any of their grandkids, period.) when Jon and Kate’s parents were interacting without Kate around to witness any of it. In the Multiple Blessings book, Kate’s parents, Kate’s mother in particular, are clearly very active forces and Kate speaks often of how much the Bible verses and other spiritual guides her mother provided her helped sustain her through the ordeal. In the aftermath, Kate was physically and emotionally drained and, from her description, suffering from a pretty bad case of post-partum depression plus losing a friend and her beloved grandparents and Jon’s dad and leaning heavily on Jon. It would have been very easy for Jon to alienate her from anyone he didn’t like.
Jon continually bashing his dad to try to explain Jon’s behavior irritates me. I’m not saying that Dr. Gosselin was a saint, but the man who is described in “Multiple Blessings” was a loving and supportive man who loved his son, loved and accepted his son’s wife who loved him in return, and adored his grandchildren. and was as involved in their lives as his failing health would allow him. The 6 are too young to remember him but the videos they showed on the series shows that he was a very important figure in the twins’ life. Unlike his son, he not only completed college but dental school (which I understand is VERY tough) but, even by his ungrateful son’s account, gave free dental services to those who could not afford it.
Jon seems to judge everyone around him about what they can do for the only important person, in Jon’s worldview, Jon. I don’t want to sound like a Hailey fan, I’m not, but she took a lot of abuse to stay with him, she defended him, and she believed him when he explained away multiple reports of him cheating on her. Even the TLC lawyers indicated that it was only during their depositions of her during their suit with Jon, when she was confronted with overwhelming evidence that Jon had repeatedly lied to her and cheated on her, that she finally accepted it; they also indicated that she was clearly devastated by it. Jon’s response to her finally seeing him clearly, apparently, was to fake vandalism of their apartment and try to have her jailed for a felony. As I said, I don’t like Hailey, but no one deserves that sort of treatment, particularly at the hands of someone who claimed to love them Hailey would have been better advised to watch the early videos (they were shown on J & K +
of Jon and Kate. Kate was fine with Jon as long as she was giddily and adoringly in love (or at least infatuated) with Jon and thought everything he did was wonderful. When she became a mother with 2 and then 8 little lives to protect, she had to grow up; he didn’t, and he hated her for no longer being that giggly girl hanging on his every word and adoring him without expecting anything from him. (Ellen should watch them too. I’m sure part of Kate’s initial attractiveness to Jon was that she had a steady job.)
Anyone who befriends Jon and stands by him eventually turns against him because he uses them and stabs them in the back.
Peggy: I will only make one comment–We have ALWAYS desired to be involved with ALL our Grandchildren. We love them all very much–We pray for each of them (all 19) DAILY and by name. God is in control and we trust HIM with our precious Grandchildrens’ futures.
I realize this is directed to Peggy, but may I add…why am I not surprised this is so?
Again, being a voyeur into the life of…to make note of those Psalms/scriptures, posted in the old kitchen; trips to church; the rare glimpse of the meals’ blessings; & the sad realization that Kate could not visit their church w/o scrutiny.
I do remember when there was a time in the life of our family that we were w/o a church. Then I remember my mother’s words that I’ve often laughed at: ‘being in church does not make one a Christian. Just as being in a garage does not make you a car.’ Perhaps flip, but her unique encouragement to drive home the point that we are heard, wherever we pray. Yes, He knows us by NAME.
being in church does not make one a Christian. Just as being in a garage does not make you a car.-HB
Not Gosselin-related, BUT, this is the THIRD time I have read this statement in the last 4 days. My dad actually had it on his Facebook page. Is someone trying to tell me something. lol?
Ann,
Sorry but I am more impressed with your Dad having a Facebook page. Good for him!
Oh Ann, naaw! Nor would I ever give this quote as an original thought-balloon w. my own mother’s credits. (I too have heard it used, quite often by others!) I have to add, the first time I heard this from my mother…she would drop me off at church in her bathrobe for choir…& it occured to me t0 ask..’why was I showing up, & she was not’? Rather than give an 8 yr. old a snarky answer…I stewed over the above comment & don’t remember questioning her again. ;0)
It’s just so weird that I have never heard it before and now I have read it THREE different times. HB, it’s pithy. I like it! Your mom and my dad would get along.
Since we’ve been on the subject of what is involved in being religious, I kept thinking of a passage at the beginning of Thomas Paine’s “The Age of Reason”. Paine is frequently, and totally inaccurately, described as an atheist. He was not. He wasn’t a Christian either. He was a deist. (He also totally loathed organized religion in all forms, not because of individuals’ religious beliefs but because of the ills he attributed to organization; if “The Age of Reason” was published today under another author’s name and a little tweaking to any references that might date it, it would still cause an uproar, as it did when it was published) but I’ll let Paine speak for himself. Personally, I find it very moving and timely (any emphasis is added by me):
In the foreword he says,
>>Age of Reason Introduction
by Thomas Paine
TO MY FELLOW-CITIZENS OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA:
I PUT the following work under your protection. It contains my opinions upon Religion. You will do me the justice to remember, that I have always strenuously supported the Right of every Man to his own opinion, however different that opinion might be to mine. He who denies to another this right, makes a slave of himself to his present opinion, because he precludes himself the right of changing it.
The most formidable weapon against errors of every kind is Reason. I have never used any other, and I trust I never shall.
Your affectionate friend and fellow-citizen,
THOMAS PAINE
Luxembourg, 8th Pluviose, Second Year of the French Republic, one and indivisible.
January 27, O. S. 1794.<<
In Chapter 1, he states:
>>As several of my colleagues and others of my fellow-citizens of France* have given me the example of making their voluntary and individual profession of faith, I also will make mine; and I do this with all that sincerity and frankness with which the mind of man communicates with itself.
I believe in one God, and no more; and I hope for happiness beyond this life.
I believe in the equality of man; and I believe that religious duties consist in doing justice, loving mercy, and endeavoring to make our fellow-creatures happy.
But, lest it should be supposed that I believe in many other things in addition to these, I shall, in the progress of this work, declare the things I do not believe, and my reasons for not believing them.
I do not believe in the creed professed by the Jewish church, by the Roman church, by the Greek church, by the Turkish church, by the Protestant church, nor by any church that I know of. My own mind is my own church.
All national institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit.
I do not mean by this declaration to condemn those who believe otherwise; they have the same right to their belief as I have to mine. But it is necessary to the happiness of man, that he be mentally faithful to himself. Infidelity does not consist in believing, or in disbelieving; it consists in professing to believe what he does not believe.<<
*Paine got involved in the French Revolution, got elected to the Assembly, and narrowly escaped the guillotine; he did not lead a boring life.<g>
HB, I so agree. Being a good Christian does not mean you have to sit in a church on Sunday, but how we walk in our daily lives. Sharing my garden with others, seeing flowers bloom in the yard, fresh cut grass, finches at the bird feeders, shows me that God is around me everyday. Good health, wonderful children, extended family who care seems like my little piece of heaven. I do pray for Kate and her children, and hope they can find peace in their lives.
Thanks K’s Mom , glad you can enjoy all 19 of your grandchildren. Wow, having that many together at one time would be a huge challange. The party sure would be fun!!
Enjoy your week gals. I love this blog, brings comfort to me to read such inspiring thoughts from all of you.
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Peggy: I will only make one comment–We have ALWAYS desired to be involved with ALL our Grandchildren. We love them all very much–We pray for each of them (all 19) DAILY and by name. God is in control and we trust HIM with our precious Grandchildrens’ futures.
August 23, 2010 at 4:24 pm
Mom of KT says: <<
Mom of KT: Thank you for your reply. I appreciate your need for discretion, especially to protect your daughter and her children. What you stated above is the impression I formed of you and your husband in reading “Multiple Blessings” and that your support and faith were essential to her in sustaining her throught the physical and mental tests of her pregnancy with the sextuplets and will play the same role as she finds her way in her new life as the single mother of 8. Best wishes for you and your family.
Peggy, I understand you’re retired–this country needs someone like you! Your insight is astounding!
Momsby *bites her tongue* tries to remember those great words of advice! If I don’t have anything nice to say, don’t say anything at all! WoW, Jon makes that difficult sometimes!!!!
I’m actually really looking forward to pap pictures…on the red carpet, of Kate looking beautiful at the emmy’s. Those are the kinds of pictures at events like that, I’ll view with pleasure!
Still singing Kate’s going to the Emmys, Kate’s going to the Emmy’s with a smile!
Sheryl-Thanks. I long believed, like Robert Kennedy, that politics is an honorable profession but it’s been taken over by charlatans. Also, my cranky lumbar spine would refuse to go along on such a journey. All I can do is support those few who still regard government as a high calling and not mud-wrestling at a strip joint.
BTW, it’s been posted over at Sageway Express-Ellen’s publicly claiming that the whole towel thing was HER idea and she’s now publicly exchanging supportive communications with BKIA previously known as BL. BKIA’s realitytvkids blog just reported this tweet from BKIA to Ellen >>@ellen_ross1 I got it.
check out our sidebar for documented incidents of exploitation. If we can help in any way please let me know. about 19 hours ago via Twitter for BlackBerry® in reply to ellen_ross1. <<
Ross’s twitter messages are now protected (and I won’t try to get in; unlike Katy Hall, I refuse to lie about who I am and what my motives are) but who she follows is on the sidebar of her twitter page and public and it includes BKIA’s realitytvkids blog and, for the most part, reality shows and stars of the tackier variety (she follows Spencer Pratt, for pete’s sake.)
It is the ultimate slap in the face that Ellen Ross has set up her own blogspot for giving out advice, because everyone seeks her out for her pearls of wisdom? (My words – not hers.) Since she seems to want to mime a ‘Kates Take’…nothing short of pathetic. Blech!
Watch out Imperfect Women…you have someone who thinks she must be very close to PERFECT~
When reading about Ellen’s buffonish behavior, a verse in Proverbs, comes to mind:
Pro 9:13
A foolish woman is clamorous; She is simple, and knows nothing.
Clamorous is very fitting: squawking, bleating, vociferous and yammering– just to name a few !
Of course, ‘simple’ is descriptive of both Ellen and Jon–two peas in a pod!!!
I’m actually starting to be nostalgic about the Ed Hardy days. At least Jon seemed to have a plan, then. Crappy looking clothes don’t seem so bad compared to the stuff he’s come up with since.
Watch out Imperfect Women…you have someone who thinks she must be very close to PERFECT
HB, that’s funny. I wonder what sound wisdom she will be dispensing? She seems to be another who is helping Jon continue to make a mess of things.
Without doubt, Lily! Can we all spell the classic…ENABLER. I’ve all too often used that word to describe my guess in re. to all those who gladly gather around Jon Gosselin. It’s classically used in re. to a drug abuser…but maybe Jon’s drug of choice is his own sense of importance?
Hey! I follow some of our regulars and some Gosselin-related accounts on twitter as Ann_IW and I just got blocked by Jon Gossein and Ellen Ross! LMAO.
I think that means *somebody* is reading the site and doesn’t like that we allow critical comments. Apparently deleting stupid comments that made her look jealous of the “ex” isn’t enough “support” for some people.
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Hey! I follow some of our regulars and some Gosselin-related accounts on twitter as Ann_IW and I just got blocked by Jon Gossein and Ellen Ross! LMAO.
I think that means *somebody* is reading the site and doesn’t like that we allow critical comments. Apparently deleting stupid comments that made her look jealous of the “ex” isn’t enough “support” for some people.
August 24, 2010 at 6:17 pm
Ann@IW says:<<
You should be honored. I think it’s like being on Nixon’s enemies list.
LMAO Ann, Raising my hand as also being blocked by Ellen & Jon. Here I was thinking they were wanting lots of attention. My mistake.
They blocked IW ladies & thanked the Bloggin ding dong for the support!!!(sorry I can never remember her new name) O.K. I think that might just be the straw that broke the momsby holding out hope for Jon & Ellen’s back
:(
The interview was excellent, the IW ladies treated Ellen IMO very well! You, erased her comments & tried to defuse the situation…blocking you ladies is just RUDE.
I had one leg off the fan wagon after the DWTS- Kate is an absent mother BS…but now I think I’m jumping off. I’m done!(like I’m sure J & E really care, but I’m so ticked I had to share)
IW was more than fair to Ellen. They went the extra mile for her. Her own, unscripted words showed her for who she is at that time. She current actions are just confirming that conclusion.
hmmm…. wonder if I set up a Miss Ziggy twitter account if J&E would block me? LOL
Still trying to think of something to ask Wise Ellen, but for the life of me, can’t come up with a thing which I think a 23yr. old could help me with… or is she 24 now? Doesn’t matter, she still acts as she’s twelve. Wonder if she has a poster of Jon up in her room which she kisses every night before she goes to bed, dreams of marrying and becoming rich and famous someday?
- Kate’s going to the Emmy’s, Kate’s going to the Emmy’s -
Jon can’t ruin it, Jon can’t ruin it
Ellen wished she had “it’, Ellen wished she had ‘it’
This much I know —- both IW’s Lily and Ann are incredibly decent and kind women and I know in my heart that they want nothing but good things for all the Gosselins – yes all ten (10) of them. And I think that extends to Ellen too if she will be a part of the family going forward.
Of course, Jon and Ellen can ban whomever they choose on Twitter, but I think they are choosing the wrong folks.
At the risk of saying more than I should, I am disappointed (and a bit sad) to see Ellen and Jon’s apparent approval of the Blogging Administrator/Know-it-All’s (aka ’15 Minutes Gosselin’) website. I do believe it is primarily a money-making enterprise. The blog owner has been quite candid that she is in debt to the tune of hundreds of thousands of dollars. We know both Jon and Kate are good for hits on one’s website.
Beyond that, incredibly insulting words have been said on her website about NOT ONLY Kate, but Jon too (and sometimes even the kids). Things that would never be allowed on IW, trust me. Look at the archives. It is all there. (Unless she is erasing content the way they do at her prior anti-Gosselin website).
Lastly, some of us have been around a while and we have good memories. We know the different name this blog owner used on the Gosselins without Pity (GWoP) website (hint it starts with D).
I trust if Jon knew how cruel The Administrator/D she was to little Hannah in a couple of her GWoP recaps, he might think twice about Ellen tweeting her approval of the website.
I thought Jon has stooped to his lowest, but allowing Ellen to twitter about his children is so wrong, and will send him fartherdown the river than he has ever been before.
I sure wish D would mind her own business.
I wonder what that life coach thinks she is doing, using Jon just for a few fast bucks??
Anya, I’d like nothing more than to see Jon get his act together and things be civil between he and Kate, and even Ellen if she’s really going to be a part of Jon’s life long term. Currently, he doesn’t appear to be going in any positive direction, only the negative, more and more so as time goes by and this is what Ellen has done, as well. Gone from maybe ok, to bad, to worse.
Maybe someday, but from what I’ve seen in the last more than a year, I’m not holding my breathe.
Anya, I almost forgot that the BKIA has referred to her Gwop days in the past, when she was still calling Heller a great lawyer with a slam-dunk case.
Was I blocked on twitter because the BKIA told Ellen in a PM to do it?
It’s so ridiculous.
Momsby, I just read your comment. I know how you feel!
I so want to believe that the carefree guy with 8 little kids before he was 30 that I genuinely liked is still there in Jon. Despite all I have seen, I know he has good qualities. Unfortunately he seems to be driven by his negative qualities right now.
I truly think that most of the hate for Kate in her life is born from jealousy: jealousy that she has money, attention, so many cute children, servants, opportunities to be on TV, travel, get books published, pitch products, own a beautiful property, work on her figure. I think it was jealousy that came between Kate and her brother, that drives the women of Gwop, and now, most sadly, her ex-husand.
He was angry when she got her first stint on The View (she doesn’t even vote!) He said he was jealous of the perks and attention she had on her first book tour. He said he was jealous of her friendship with Steve Neild. When he sued for custody this spring, his lawyer said something to the effect that she is worth more and has this “golden girl” image and her brand is going up in value. He knows he was counselled by the wrong people and it cost him tons of wealth. He’s made mistakes in his professional life, and resents that she’s made far better choices.
I probably wouldn’t have made some of Kate’s choices, even knowing what she has earned. She’s not perfect. I don’t have to support and defend every choice she makes to say that the level of hate for this woman, of resentment at her life, is over the top. I have yet to hear one of the “regulars” who blog hate for Kate justify the amount of criticizing they do about her. I am and always have been in the “You are just jealous haters***” camp.
That doesn’t mean the BKIA, et al. are not decent people in other areas of their lives. The envy seeping through every post they make is toxic. I just can’t feel it. Personally, for the crap Kate takes and the schedule she has, I think she has earned every single cent she received.
***Please note- I prefer the correct spelling.
Oh my, I had almost forgotten who BKIA was too. I understand that Ellen & Jon might not like my opinion. I was surprised that they blocked me since they tweet publicly and I have never tweeted. Do “real” celebs act that way?
Anya, I’d like nothing more than to see Jon get his act together and things be civil between he and Kate, and even Ellen if she’s really going to be a part of Jon’s life long term.~Ziggy
I so agree. While most us have negative opinions of Jon based on his actions, I do think the majority just want him to get his act together. It’s not like we want him wrecked and ruined like the screamers wish for Kate.
Thanks Anya, what a nice thing to say. Yes, wishing good things for all the Gosselins and Ellen too.
This gal is out of her element when commenting in re. to J or E. Never understood J in the 1st place, & as for E…a 23/24 yr. old shows her naivete & lack of scruples/class having leapt into this relationship w. both pistols firing. Had she simply stated ‘I would rather remain silent’…I should think that would have helped put out the embers of hostility that J constantly feeds in re. to Kate. Ellen’s written words here on IW are haunting, & while they were deleted…those were NO mistakes, but a signal that she felt entitled to bash the mother of her boyfriend’s children? What kind of smarmy world they mirror back to those 8!
When was it? Last Feb. that Jon was kicked out of Morgan’s CA apt. & went running home to PA to live on his brother’s sofa? Not long after – there is Jon w. a new girlfriend ‘who he’s going to take it slow with?’ SLOW? He leased his Reading apt. w. her in tow! What kind of man does this to his children when divorce is all so fresh to them? Not a man who truly understands any LOVE for his own flesh & blood. Especially when he’s had ‘relationship therapy’…a rabbi, & now a life coach? If I were a Sylvia Lafair I’d suggest that these 2 lovebirds have a cool down & let this dad get off of social networking, & figure out just who that real Jon Gosselin is! It won’t happen as long as he & Ellen *hint*… ‘if only you knew the real truth about Kate’! I’ve heard all sorts of clinical, armchair varieties of what might be wrong w. Jon…he reminds me somewhat of a relative who has aspergers. Dunno, but Jon needs HELP!
Honestly, I hope J & E look in the archives..what some & the admin have said about the children alone is unforgivable! I’m almost as shocked by this revelation as I was about Jodi/Julie….In the beginning I just could not wrap my head around the fact that any family member would support a hate site. IMO, if you say negative & rude things about the children you ARE a hate site.
Ann, I think alot of the anger directed towards Kate is jealousy too, can I join your camp? Note I spelled it correctly:)
Ellen blocking any of you ladies here is a slap in the face.
IMO everyone of you here treated Ellen respectfully and IMO it was very kind when you erased her harsh innuendo comments at her request.
Her true intentions are starting to seep through her goody good act.
It doesn’t matter to me. It’s just a twitter account and I’ve made neg comments about both them. Since I only follow on twitter, it was just kind of a surprise that they went to the trouble.
I also just remembered IW did an interview with Jon, when he was still finding himself & public opinion of him was pretty low…and once again did a fair & gracious interview.
@Lily the fact that you never actually commented to them on twitter, makes it an even stranger thing to me.
I don’t follow twitter..but know from the tween set that if your defriended on FB, it’s a diss (lol)
I guess it’s there way of letting you know they are reading here If so J&E please see Anya’s observation about Lily & Ann….many of us also wish all the Gosselins well. Some, just make it a little bit harder to be cheerleaders for…when they are being petty & rude & immature.
Jon and Ellen blocking people off their twitters is just a way of bring attention to themselves again. What a sad point, that two people could self destruct themselves like this. I guess the life coach is not working out for Jon. Ellen wanted fame and hanging on to Jon’s arm is sending Ellen to LA soon, and she will leave Jon behind trying to defend his ruined reputation again.
Where is Jon’s Mother, brothers, extended family, is there no one that can get through to him. I know a person just like Jon, if you say white they say black. Sorry to say, he has nothing left in life, everyone finally said enough. He is not allowed around his children or family. The saying was, there was never enough water to put all the fires he started in life with peoples emotions, $, and belongings. He used and abused, and sorry to say, I can see Jon headed that way.
The twitter, farmville stuff is so imature for a Father of 8. Sitting on a couch watching movies all day would soon be so depressing, it would be very hard to get out of the funk.
Jon and Ellen blocking people off their twitters is just a way of bring attention to themselves again.-snickers
I don’t know- I don’t think they expected IW mods to actually tell anyone what they did since it’s so childish and it reveals that Ellen and Jon follow http://www.imperfectwomen.comas closely as they follow the BKIA’s hate site. I considered “taking the high road” (to borrow a oft-used phrase in the Gosselin world) and not mentioning it but I think I’ve given a little too much “support” to Ellen here, and I knew our regulars would find the tidbit interesting. It’s proof they read our regulars’ comments, since I’ve had absolutely no communication via twitter. Neither has Lily. And they are very welcome to read. We won’t block them unless they violate posting rules.
Momsby, I would be honored to join you in the “Khaters- you are jealous haters!” club.
IW ladies all of you are the epitome of class and tolerance and are not deserving of being dissed by anyone, anywhere, anytime, however insignificant the dissers are.
On another note IWHY is back and has a new post up. If you ladies haven’t seen IWHY’s video about GWOP you have missed a treat. There are 2 of them and you can access them at Ziggys blog under her Funny Stuff heading.
Ziggy: How do I get to your blog??
Hi, MOKT, (is it OK if I call you that for short, no disrespect intended)
I would be honored for you to read my blog. I’m not kind to Jon, though.
Also, MOKT, if you choose to visit my blog, please check out the Funny Section. I try to bring smiles and laughs to people, as well.
Ziggy, I’m checking out your blog, too. I always like what you have to say here!
Thanks, Ziggy–I will check it out! Nope–don’t mind a bit if you call me MOKT! Just don’t call me late for dinner!!
Sign me up Ann:)
Hi Puff
I’m in also. Do we get to have refreshments and maybe go on field trips?
I got blocked too! Here’s the funny part. I open my email and I see a email that says @jongosselin1 is following you. I’m thinking what the? I have never been to his twitter page. EVER. I have read posts and twitters etc about what he writes but NEVER have I visited his or Ellen’s twitter pages. A couple of times I clicked on links that started to direct me there and I quickly clicked it off. I do not care about what he has to say. So why did he follow me?? Did he want me to know he’s “on to me???” The all the sudden he unfollows me and blocks me. I know this because now I am curious so I go to look. So Jonny boy(since he obviously reads here and other places I post). What are you hiding that you have to block some one that could gives two bits about you? Stay off my page and guess what??? You’re blocked too. If you have ever read anything I have written about you or your family you would know that you had no reason to block me and now you have made yourself look like a loser. You’re girlfriend is backing that hate site that I do not like to say the name of that has allowed posters to call your kids horrible names. HORRIBLE names. How sick is that? I have still to this day hoped there was a shred of hope for you for the sake of your kids, but now after who you and your little girlfriend are backing, not so much.
IW has been kind to you and Ellen and let you speak your side and this is how you treat them??? Shows your character.
Mom of KT I applaud your family’s strength. Kate was an inspiration to me when I was going through similar health problems to hers and mild depression. Watching your grandchildren and daughter every week was something I had to look forward to when I didn’t have much else to look forward to. I can’t wait to see her on the Emmys and upcoming new episode.
Sorry for the rant girls but once you get me going…..feel free to edit my post if I said too much.
Mom of KT desires to know her grandchildren. How sad that she can’t know them. If I was Mom of KT I’d be distancing myself from giving any impression fame was good for her daughter and grandchildren. Why was Kate not satisified with the riches God had already bestowed upon her? I see a woman who was blessed with a husband, 8 healthy children, a career in nursing, and loving family, friends and neighbors who didn’t hesitate to pitch in. Kate chose a path that removed her family, friends, husband and now it is reported she barely acknowledges her children, most of her interaction with them is reserved for filming the show. I see a Kate who was once pretty and happy who now appears sullen and sad and brings attention upon herself wearing skimpy outfits with high heels and is photographed constantly with a married man, creating speculation about their relationship. She has not used her celebrity to spread God’s message nor does she behave lovingly towards her family and her community. I think Mom of KT can attest to just how far Kate has had to go to keep her real life private and her fake life public just to have a show. Was it all worth it?
joanne, ya can’t put the genie back in the bottle. God what? Please don’t tell me that Kate’s family’s blessings ended when TLC entered their lives. You are telling us that God judges those who wear clothes YOU do not approve of…walks off the path of righteousness in her high heels b/c her security is provided by a married man?
How I do pity those who judge Kate for her outer – not knowing her relationship w. God… & then has the temerity to give this grandmother ADVICE. Shame on you! (Lost your halo, I see.)
Craftymo…Jon & Ellen have been waging war w. Twitter for a couple of weeks. Apparently they have a few followers who have been reporting those who THEY think don’t belong on Twitter. There is still one who no one has been able to block…some of the nastiest filth. Then I thought…perhaps she was being used as a foil.
Here I am putting my 2 cents in when I don’t do Twitter…don’t understand it’s merit, BUT have had an idiot’s delight in following J & E on the net! Yesterday the woman who is hosting a DC d-jay party featuring Jon as her draw tomorrow - was blocked. Jon unblocked her, saying he didn’t know how that happened. My guess is that Ellen’s brother will also be performing. Why? B/c Ellen for weeks has been using her sidebar following gigs in & around DC. Surely Jon’s multiple agents aren’t getting a cut of this bar & boozing, loud music, bonanza.
Joanne, I am curious. How do you know so much about Mom of KT? Are you a family member? How do you know how much or how well Kate’s mom knows her grandchildren? How do you know Kate’s Moms longings and desires?
Personally, I know what I know of Mom of KT from what I read here and what I read at Facebook during DTWS. Based on this, I know Mom of KT loves her daughter. She speaks to Kate regularly as she references this in her posts. We know she loves and prays for all her grandchildren. We also know that she is appalled at the hate and judgement directed at her daughter.
Personally I find Mom of KT an incredible witness for Christianity. Whatever her feelings are about things that have happened in the past and how and why they happened, Mom of KT knows that distancing herself from Kate is neither the Christian thing to do nor is likely to help either her daughter or her grandchildren. Jesus did not teach that we should judge and distance ourselves from others – in fact, his parable of the Prodigal Son teaches the opposite.
Craftymom! Thanks for the great tip. I am going to block Jon Gosselin from seeing my tweets too! I think I’ll write an update: I got blocked by Jon Gosselin…Booooooo!
LMAO
I think the more important message with what Craftymom revealed is that Jon was actively reading blogs and searching on twitter and blocking people from seeing his account. Craftymom said she was not a follower so it appears that he first had to follow her (from what she wrote) to then go ahead and block her. She said she received an email first saying he was following her.
I want to know who the heck has the time to go searching the blogs to see who is “for you and who is against you” and then blocking them from your twitter account. Even if he does that anyone can create a new account on twitter and read his tweets because he is an open twitter. The only thing he is stopping is people replying to his tweets and Ann and Lily and Craftymom had never ever tweeted anything to him.
Some advice Jon, probably best not to read the blogs and to stay off twitter. You need to have a thick skin if you want to remain in “the business.” Out of sight , out of mind.
Thank you Paige,
Beautifully said.
HB, I have missed a lot of the Jon & Ellen show on twiter. The last time I checked (and could see Ellen’s tweets) it was just stuff about helping her choose purses and shoes. Is she trying to get freebies? I didn’t see any drama.
Paige, thanks for your beautiful response to joanne. I don’t understand what motivates joanne to try to hurt another poster on our site. I don’t get it. But you pointed out the important point, Paige. We (joanne and I) know nothing of the private lives of these very real people. Mom of KT has been criticized for supporting her daughter in silence, and now is criticized for supporting her daughter here. What she has done in loving her daughter should be respected by all women, no matter what you think of a the Tv show. Your response Paige, is why I want to be a part of this site.
HB, thanks for the explanation. I didn’t realize we were “reported”. Craftymomof3, Jon should have kept following you for some fun craft ideas for the kids. It’s all silly to me, why would people who live such public lives want to block a handful of people? Oh well.
Shame on you! (Lost your halo, I see.) ~HB
Yep, ITA.
What was all of this nonsense about Kate not being around to drop her kids off for their first day of school?
I have to give Kate so much credit for not responding to all of this crap in the tabloids.
All the hype about Kate not being there for the kid’s first day of school, was unfounded; the haters were hoping and wishing that she wouldn’t be there ! Well, now they can rag on how her hair looked at the bus stop =(
I thought this was a Christian forum. My mistake. I did not suggest Mom of KT distance herself from her daughter or grandchildren. Those of you who say so are careless readers indeed and perhaps do such on purpose. I said she should distance herself from the appearance of supporting fame/the show, both of which anyone can see has caused a lot of hurt for this family.
I too am a grandmother. No, I am not related, why would you ask that? I know Kate’s mother has no face to face relationship with her grandchildren because of several things. First, Kate herself on her show during a viewer question episode said she, Kate, chose not to have her parents in their kids lives. Her explanation was weak and raised more questions than it answered, which leads me to number two, why Kate is estranged from her parents is a Google search item that appears on page one if you type in her name. And finally, a woman in our church went to a book signing in New York to meet Kate and was rudely pulled out of the line when she attempted to inquire about the grandparents, she identifying herself as a grandmother of 11 who wanted to pass on her good wishes. No questions about grandparents permitted? What has the world come to?
joanne,
If this site only permitted “Christian” comments we’d have to block yours.
Edited to add-
You “know” something based on google rankings? You defend a woman who is trying to harrass an author by asking personal questions we teach our children are rude to blurt out? What has the world come to, indeed.
I just wanted to bring to your attention the August 25 blog entry at The Sageway Express. Sage has published the text of the letter the PA Department of Labor wrote in response to Rep. Murt’s suggestion that the Gosselin children are working under illegal permits at present. Thanks, Sage, I hadn’t seen it and am glad to read the DOL’s defense.
I won’t heap it on, but HB’s, Ann’s and Paige’s responses to Joanne are fantastic. I agree – there is a reason I am part of this site and it is because of compassionate, reasonable and caring women like you all.
CraftyMom, I am still shaking my head. I don’t ‘get’ banning you at all. It must because you are known to post here and at the Gosselin Family Fan Site? Very interesting the trouble he went to do so?
The actions Jon took don’t seem particularly logical (for the reasons already laid out). Perhaps he was having a really bad day. Pam is right, however, you do have to have a really thick skin to be in the public eye. I could never do it.
Pam, yes, Kate was there for the first drop-off. No surprise there. I knew she would be there. She looked cute for dark o’clock in the morning and she was smart about positioning the van so that paps got very few shots of the kids.
Joanne-Most families go through rough patches. So you found Kate’s explanation of her relationship with her parents at the time “weak”. Did it ever occur to you that weak answers are often the ones that are chosen when people are trying to deflect matters that they don’t want to get into for very valid reasons, including its none of our business? Families find it easier to make it through the rough times if none of them say things to third parties about the other that are hurtful and can’t be taken back. BTW, I notice the one person you didn’t mention was Jon. You believe it was Kate’s choice, but you have no more information than the rest of us do as to whether or not Jon played any role in it. My experience has been that a spouse/parent personality clash, with the offspring backing the spouse no matter what, is the commonest reason for a parent/offspring estrangement that appears when the offspring is grown and on his/her own. Furthermore, while Jon & Kate chose to lead a life that is, in part, in public; even when Jon & Kate were together they made it clear that not all family, including ones with whom they got along fine, and friends wanted to be included in the filming and so any time with them occurred during non-filming time which was and even more so now is considerable.
I won’t repeat Ann’s excellent response. However, if I was in line behind your friend, I’d have been applauding when they hauled her away. Anyone who has ever been in a line at a book signing with a lot of people waiting knows that the protocol is that at most, you get to exchange a few pleasantries (emphasis on pleasantries) while the author signs your book; if, instead, you get someone who feels that she is entitled to hold up the line while she interrogates the author and potentially upsets the author to boot, the whole thing can fall apart. I’ve never heard of Kate shortchanging people waiting in line after one of these unilateral encounter sessions. Being a grandparent is a factor of both your and one or more of your offspring chosing to have and being able to have/or adopt children. It can be a wonderful thing as I know from my experience as a grandchild, but it doesn’t mean that the basic rules of courtesy no longer apply to you because you’ve achieved that status.
Whatever the issues between Kate and her mother, I respect that they have both chosen to keep it between themselves as much as humanly possible. I am happy for both of them, Kate’s father, and the children that they appear to have resolved or are resolving those issues as I would be for any group of people in that situation because, if it is possible for the people involved to find a resolution that leaves the people involved in a good place with each other, peace and harmony are always infinitely preferable to discord. I’m also happy since her parents’ support is surely welcome to someone in the position Kate finds herself in, after having been part of a couple for about a decade, is going through the difficult transition to being on her own without a spouse as a partner and with 8 children whose welfare is primarily in her hands.
You indicate that you are Christian. Perhaps you need to reread what Jesus said at Matthew 7:1-5 and Luke 6:37-42. You say you are a grandmother but you suggest that another grandmother should sacrifice her relationship with her daughter and her grandchildren through that daughter because YOU don’t approve of the choices the daughter has made. Fortunately, for Kate and her children, MOKT is her mother and their maternal grandmother.
Boy, Joanne, you’re a class act, aren’t you?
NOT.
How do you know how Kate behaves with her family? Seems to me from what I”ve read, once Kate refused to let the community rule her & her babies, the community wasn’t so gracious anymore.
Ann said: You defend a woman who is trying to harrass an author by asking personal questions we teach our children are rude to blurt out?
Glad you called Joanne on on this, Ann.
What’s Jon doing, scanning all the blogs and looking for the names on Twitter and blocking them even if they don’t read him? Maybe if he got a job…
One tiny point of personal privilege: Many years ago, I used to work for the Pennsylvania Department of Labor and Industry, although not in the portion that would be dealing with filming children. I loved working there and left when a better opportunity presented itself. The correct abbreviation is DOLI, not DOL. I thought whoever was involved in drafting that letter did a first-rate job under trying circumstances (just think of having to draft something knowing that it will (a) go directly to a legislator (i.e., one of those who determine how much budget money your agency gets;) (b) that you are actually saying NO to the legislator since you have to be certain from his public comments that this is NOT the answer he wanted; and (c) it will become public immediately if not sooner and it will be ripped to shreds. It’s been a long time since I worked there. I don’t know any of the signatories on the letter, but I applaud them for taking a principled stand and explaining it in clear and articulate terms when it would have been so easy for them to cave and let Kate and the kids take the heat. My experience has been that it’s a great department with a lot of people who are dedicated to protecting the people of the Commonwealth.
Good grief, joanne! Go back & revisit your own 1st 3 sentences! Hope you’ve had a rethink of what a good dose of common decency might feel like while reading the reactions you’ve ‘begged for’. ‘A Christian forum’…how about the blog’s title: Imperfect Women. (imperfections welcomed) Not so certain Google is the same as the Bible…it’s truth will NOT set you free.
These people are bound by the chains of hatred, and they don’t even realize that they’ve enslaved themselves to it– hate has serious repercussions in one’s health both physically and mentally. Furthermore, if they claim to be Christians, then surely they know that the Lord equates hate with murder….
To Pam@IW- The video, that’s on ROL, is instructive on how to do it if you actually want to limit the exposure of the kids to the paps instead of creating a photo op disguised as an effort to limit the kids’ exposure like Jon & Ellen did. Kate had the van so close that it was one step down to the ground from the van and one step up from the ground to the bus, with an assist from mommy, for even the smallest Gosselin. Kate stood between the kids and the cameras and, when one of the paps, ran around to get unobstructed shots, she turned around without missing a beat, to again block the camera. The click of the cameras is deafening. I know many small children who are very sensitive to loud noises.
Thanks Peggy, I did see that.
Those of you who say so are careless readers indeed and perhaps do such on purpose.
If I misinterpreted you, I do apologize. I read “Mom of KT desires to know her grandchildren. How sad that she can’t know them.” I interpreted that as you believe you know what is the mind and heart of Mom of KT and the state of the their current relationship. I realize now from your clarification that you are relying on information that was expressed publicly by Kate in the past and may not reflect the current situation at all.
None of us know how involved Mom of KT has been involved in her life or that of the children in the last year. But I will admit that given the support that Mom of KT has shown Kate here and what she has posted, I believe that they have grown closer since the divorce. I do not assume comments made a year or two ago define the relationship as it is now or as it will evolve in the future. Life is not static.
If I was Mom of KT I’d be distancing myself from giving any impression fame was good for her daughter and grandchildren.
Perhaps I did misinterpret this statement. I looked at in the context that Mom of KT has only posted her support of Kate and never addressed the impact of the show or what she thinks of the blessings versus burdens the show has brought to her daughter.
Given that, it struck me that you were suggesting that you would (and therefore, Mom of KT should ), not express support of Kate in order to make a statement about the impact of fame on Kate and the kids. As such, my answer reflects merely that I think Mom of KT best exemplifies her Christian values by not using public forums as a bully pulpit for that type of commentary but by continuing to express love and support for her daughter.
If my response was unChristian, so be it as I am not one. I never felt that being a Christian was a requirement for posting here or even that this is Christian site. I do believe it is a site for Imperfect Women and I most certainly qualify in that regard.
The correct abbreviation is DOLI-PeggyP
Hanging my in shame, lol. I plead “imperfect.”
Very well said Paige! I will always support my daughter in whatever she wants to do because I love her UNCONDITIONALLY. Her choices are hers to make. My part of the equation is to PRAY for her. While I don’t think Kate is as close to the Lord as she should be–I KNOW she prays and that she knows Jesus Christ as her Savior. That is a great comfort to me. My relationship with Jesus wasn’t as close as it should have been when I was in my 30′s either–I know Kate will become closer to the Lord as she gets older. But she is saved and as it says in the Bible, “No one can pluck them out of my hand”. (that’s Jesus’ words saying that we cannot lose oursalvation. And why would you think that it’s Kate who is not letting me see my grandchildren? I have 5 children!!
I do believe it is a site for Imperfect Women and I most certainly qualify in that regard.~Paige
Yes, and I most certainly qualify too. Wonderfully imperfect women who wish to share ideas, chat, read and whatever are here at IW. I think it’s a great place to be.
LMAO right back atcha. Lily’s right he’s missing out on all my crafty posts. Maybe he’s threatened by my craftiness.
This is going to be my new badge of honor. LOL I got blocked by Jon Gosselin and I am gosh darn proud of it. 
Anya I was ROTF laughing when I realized he blocked me. You know me from FaceBook and Twitter…when was the last time I mentioned him? Months and Months.
HB thanks for the heads up. I think I am glad that he or she doesn’t like me. If they did at this juncture I don’t think I will feel very highly of my self!
And Pam you hit the nail right on the head. He had to follow me to block me. He actively sought me out. I have never tweeted to him. The only person associated to him I have ever tweeted was Hailey. And that was just to let her know that what the haters were telling her- that I hated her- was not true and that the fake blog post that was their proof was just that-fake.
Although I consider myself more of a spiritural person than a religious one, there have been various times where I have slid more away from being close to The Powers That Be and times I’ve been closer. It’s been somewhat of a see-saw relationship as far as closest goes.
Sometimes there were times in my life where I was constantly too exhausted other than to just say thank you at the end of the day for keeping my family safe and asking for us to be kept safe the next day and an effort to just keep things going and one foot in front of the other. Times I didn’t think I could make the next step and just did nothing more than just beg for the help and strength to just get that one foot moved forward and then I’d concentrate on the next step.
Each stage of our life has different challenges, each stage of our lives teaches us something new, if we are willing to learn it. Each stage of our life has a different focus. From our first breathe to our last, we are a work in progress.
We are all Imperfect Women.
joanne,
I am not posting your last comment. We have noted in previous posts that we have verified that Mom of KT is who she says she is by a variety of means including an actual face to face. I have also noted before that certain people have demanded to know where the grandparents are and why they don’t they speak out. Now that Mom of KT is speaking out you pick apart what she says and call us liars. We want IW to be a pleasant place for Mom of KT to post. We are a “Kate ” friendly site and although we welcome all opinions and debate, it must be with respect.
If you don’t want to believe it, than don’t and move on. We are done with this conversation.
Thank you Pam for your last post, I was getting a little upset with the disrespect that was being shown to Mom of KT. I just love this site for all the different subjects that it offers and not just Gosselin News. I am always open to different point of views and opinions when they are not laced with condescending and harsh words. Mom of KT unconditional love is the best love any mother can give their child! Thank you for being patient with the less generous loving opinions that show up here on occasion.
You are welcome. Sometimes comments are posted and people respond to them before we can delete them. So even though we should delete them we will let them stand. That is what happened with joanne’s first comment posted on this thread. I also think we have such a great group of intelligent and caring ladies posting on these threads that they will usually respond back with words and thoughts that the person who posted the “not so nice” comment needs to read.
We here at IW do not want anyone attacking Mom of KT or anyone else that posts here. We will do our best to delete them as quickly as we see them.
Pam@IW- I think, then, that the best course for us when something so deliberately provocative is posted is to wait and give the administrators the chance to deal with it first or, if it is particularly awful, to take the initiative and notify the administrators that there is a problem post.
I know it goes against very primal instincts, including mine, to not jump immediately to the defense of those who are unfairly attacked. I think we have to remind ourselves that the khaterz are trying to drag us down in the gutter with them. I think that happened on ROL and I avoid the place now, at least the comments section when it’s active. We have to keep this a place that is safe for imperfect women (and men<g>) to discuss and even disagree without being disagreeable. I don’t think it’s a coincidence that this where MOKT chose to post. It also gave Ellen a fair (frankly, I thought you guys were bending over backwards a little TOO far after her initial follow up comments in trying to be fair to her) forum. It’s unfortunate that, as it turns out, Ellen didn’t want fair.
Peggy, I totally agree with you on ALL points with equal emphasis on all points.
I will made a concerted effort to bite my fingers when a provocative comment is posted until IW can address it.
MOKT wasn’t obligated to identify herself. She could’ve just posted here without doing so and none would’ve known the difference. Even IW unless they’d made a point to check. MOKT is not obligated to post here. MOKT is not obligated to address anything regarding Kate. There is absolutely no reason MOKT can’t just be apart of the exchange here on a general basis. If she CHOOSES to address something regarding HER DAUGHTER, fine, if not, fine. There is no reason MOKT can’t make comments here about her daughter as just a mother without those remarks begin attacked and torn apart. Above all else, she is a mother and Kate is her daughter. I refer to my daughter a lot. THAT’S what MOM”S do. Do I approve of every choice my daughter makes? No. Do I wish she would change some things about herself, yes. But she is an adult to make her own choices and I stand by her and love and support her unconditionally. If I made a remark about something I wished my daughter would change or a choice she made which I didn’t particularly approve of or agree with, that wouldn’t mean I was attacking or criticizing my daughter or turning against her or didn’t support her or didn’t love her.
Why would MOKT be any different regarding her daughter just because her daughter is famous?
Even when the haters are proven black and white facts disputing their claims, they still try to turn those facts around to give creed to the attacks. Which proves the point, they don’t want facts, they only want to hate and if they have to manufacture reasons to feel justified to do so, they will. If they have to ignore proven facts to do so, they will. They just want to hate and have picked Kate as their target.
Peggy,
Thanks, Your responses are always right on target and we are not always going to be able to remove comments immediately that are not respectful. Feel free to respond if you wish. We can still remove the comment if you respond but sometimes you just try and be fair and people take it too far.
Pam@IW- Thanks. One thing I try to avoid doing (not always successfully) is not to post on any blog, dicussion group, comment section etc. when I’m angry. I find the better course is to draft something then walk away from it and give myself a chance to cool down. I then go back to the draft and edit. I generally find I can make the points I want to make much more effectively if I do that. The khaterz are deliberately provocative and they want us to be like them, IMHO, to justify their activities to themselves. I try to avoid giving people like that what they want.
Be sure and check out Anya’s new post in Entertainment: Huffpost’s Katy Hall Paid In Silly Bandz
I wish so much that I could talk about MY children (including Kate) like the rest of you can. I can make a few generic comments (like our family was loud), but I cannot go into detail. I cannot post pictures of any of my 19 gorgeous grandchildren on FB, because they would end up all over the internet. It makes me very sad. At least I have found a place that I can share my feelings a bit. Thanks IW and all of you who comment here. I enjoy reading YOUR comments–we all can be Imperfect together!!
Mom of KT- That must be so awful to be deprived by the tabloids and the obsessive haters of the pleasure that other grandmothers take for granted of bragging about your grandkids and showing photos of them. My late mother never pressured any of my siblings, after they married, about having children, but she absolutely adored being a grandmother once they did have kids. While she loved her children dearly, she still said that grandchildren were God’s reward to you for putting up with having kids in the first place.<g>
I’m happy that the administrators and posters of IW have made it a place where you can have an outlet. I think we’ve made it clear that we respect the constraints of the position in which you find yourself and I’m glad that you’re finding this a comfortable place to be.
My mom always said it was wonderful to be a mother, but nothing as wonderful as being a grandparent. She never carried pictures of her own kids around, but had a whole billfold full of her grandkids and people didn’t even have to ask to see them before she wipped them out.
I know I enjoy talking about my chidlren, but I be careful about what I say, to have to be even more careful would be hard. It’s all very sad that people can’t just live and let others live.
Mom of KT – (((hugs))).
We totally understand. We feel honored that you trust us enough to share what you do. I know you are a proud mother and grandma and it is tough to not share all you would like to.
I do think in time, things will shift. I don’t think this level of harmful obsession with Kate can continue. Just my opinion/hope. And, of course, I am still totally rooting for her to continue in whatever career she wants to pursue in or out of the entertainment industry.
A little bit off-topic, but I remember how close Kate was to her grandparents from reading her books. I think you have that to look forward to — 19+ times in the future.
xxxooo
Anya, I thin things are shifting, still too slowly for my likely, but they are shifting. I listen to quite a bit on streaming radio regarding entertainment. It’s light, doesn’t get me nearly as huffy as listening to politics does. More and more I’m hearing less snark about Kate and more positive comments.
The road Kate has chosen – careful in her choices regarding what she takes on, not addressing every little rumor which is spouted, keeps as much of her private life private as possible, may be the slower road, but I think it will prove to be the enduring one.
Mom of…in just a few sentences it’s easy to ‘hear you’! Perhaps you are responsible for Kate’s very gift for the written word! ;0) Surely 99.9% of those who seek out Imperfect…run Imperfect… all have great talent in expressions of the heart while still using their minds! Throwing good humor into the mix…a great recipe for success! BRAVO IMPERFECT WOMEN!