RadarOnLine is reporting today that Jon Gosselin threatened to turn Kate Gosselin in to Child Protective Services if she did not give him a large sum of money. Hailey Glassman apparently has notes in her possession written by Jon and provided these documents to RadarOnLine.
Hailey told RadarOnline.com that Jon often refers to himself in the third person, and the notes reflect that. In one of them he wrote: “Jon giving Kate ultimatums. He privately extorts Kate. If you don’t do what I want, I’ll do this…” He also wrote: “24/48 hours or I’ll go to DA (district attorney)” Hailey explained to RadarOnline.com that Jon hatched a plan to get money out of Kate by threatening to report her to Child Protective Services, claiming Kate hurt daughter Maddy’s arm by yanking on it.
You will need to read the rest of the article to get more details. There are photos of the actual notes there. Some of the Items noted on the papers are; their home in Elizabeth town, custody, who puts away Kate’s laundry, and the need for $50k in the next 24/48 hours.
If this is true, I am not sure what to even say. You can never really know what a person is like based on the time you view them on a Reality TV show but I always thought Jon was a good guy when watching this show. I liked him. Could he have really changed this much or is this just his basic underlying personality? Does he just change his colors to fit into whatever or whoever he is hanging around with at the time? I am dismayed at this most recent revelation of how low Jon will go and I am not sure that Rabbi Shmuley and Jon’s “life coach” are the right choice in professionals to help Jon get his life in order. To me it appears that Jon changes his thoughts and personality to adapt to whoever is in his life at the current time.
I will say this. Jon, I am pulling for you. I want this to be the time that you really do get everything in order and that you really do change your life around. You have eight little ones that need you do to that. Make your choices and decisions with your children and their mother in mind.
Jon just posted this on his Twitter account:
On Wednesday 1st September 2010, @jongosselin1 said:
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Radaronline has been duped again by Hailey Glassman, who is apparently without a job and desperate for money. This article contains so many lies, they are too numerous to count. It is completely false and without any merit.
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If what Hailey provided is false, Jon can sue her. My perdiction, Jon will not sue Hailey.
I think Jon has always been this way.
I obviously am not a big fan of Hailey Glassman’s veracity. However, Jon’s proven behavior [Heller telling TLC that if it didn't let Jon do other things, Jon would pull the plug on filming (which happened); Jon filing the custody action when Kate was on DWTS that even, by the terms of the complaint, was, in significant part, an attempt to force Kate to again let him stay on the property during his time with the kids] provides a lot of corroboration.
I think the truest thing Kate ever said about Jon was that he took on the attributes of the person next to him. This may have masked the real Jon who seems obsessed with money and staying in the public eye no matter how low he sinks to do it.
It’s a long-held maxim among fraud investigators that one should stay on good terms, even if one parts company, with former spouses and live-in lovers, because those are the people with access to your secrets and who can be very dangerous if they are given reason to hold a grudge.
This might just be played out on twitter, LOL.
Hailey’s response:
hAiLeYgLaSsMaN1
Earth to Jon the Con Gosselin, Documents/evidence don’t lie. Also I hope he gets a “job” already so I can sue him for my money back!
Those notes are disturbing. It’s not proof of anything, but one would think that if they were fraudulent they would be a little better organized and not so stream-of-consciousness (though I was impressed that Jon seems to know how to spell – I only caught one “your” for “you’re”, and no spelling errors – good for Jon!).
I wish Kate had gone to the police – extortion is a big deal. Of course, she had the kids to consider. Ugh.
He’s going to be a thorn in her side forever, I guess.
That’s funny Jennie, I was checking out his spelling, too.
Jon has been trying one method of blackmail or another i.e. stopping filming, etc.
This is just more proof of this is how he operates. One doesn’t have to be an expert to see this man is very distured.
Hailey may not be my favorite person, but Hailey isn’t stupid. A handwriting expert could easily determine the authenticy of these notes. Jon is infamous for biting the hand of those that feed him. Hailey is just the one former hand that bites back.
When those home videos that Jon and Hailey made in France were on ROL that’s when I offically knew that Jon was not the same guy who was on Jon and Kate plus 8.
Do you think we have a real life case of “Invasion of the Body Snatchers?”
I seriously dislike all the ROL/tabloid crap because everyone is getting some $$ from it all. With that said, the notes do bother me. And, Jon’s statement sounds like it came directly from an attorney or an advisor.
The Rabbi was mentioned way back when the ET walk out occurred:
http://www.myfoxphilly.com/dpp/news/local_news/jon_gosselin_dumped_again_on_camera
Apparently the Rabbi encouraged him to end the relationship with Hailey?
The haters are going to say that Kate gave in to Jon’s demands becauese she was afraid Jon would tell the truth. Kate gave in to keep her kids out of court and at home. It is not unusual if a claim of abuse is made to CPS, the children are taken out of the home during the investigation. And they are seldom put with other family members.
This also may be one of the tatics Jon is using against TLC – if they don’t give him what he wants, he’ll report Kate to CPS.
Hailey, although she probably did this for the money and to bite Jon, may well have just done Kate and TLC a big favor. She owes Kate a big favor.
2 can play the same game…how much did Jon get for Radar’s exclusive pics of the big tattoo reveal? PeggyP…I agree. Kate’s comment about Jon becoming the person he’s w. at the moment is a key to the window that IS Jon. No doubt, he’s a master people pleaser, but left to his own to figure out right from wrong…he still does not have a clue. By his words & deeds, he is caught in such a frighteningly dark place. He couldn’t even put up just an avatar of himself on his Twitter page. He had to have Ellen by his side.
If there is a morsel of truth in what was quoted in Hailey’s statement…Kate telling Jon to ‘get help’ went straight to my heart! For all those who have said that it would appear that Jon has gone to all the wrong people for that help…100% correct. Now Ellen is his enabler-in-chief. A 24 yr. old HS grad who is obviously happy w. her Twitter, t.v. & 3 dogs. I’ve heard of high maintenance women, but what must it be like for this young, naive girl - thinking she can be the be all & end all to the likes of Jon Gosselin?
HB, exactly! ‘By his words & deeds, he is caught in such a frighteningly dark place.’ he has backed himself into the proverbial corner! Jon has no one to blame but himself….
I just wonder why these papers are coming out now… Hailey was all over the tabloids when they ended giving interviews and such… isnt it usually the hotter the story the more money its worth. Would she really sit on these papers this long and use it now? She doesnt seem to have the best self control and that would take alot of self control to just sit on it. And why can’t she sue him while he was getting a paycheck from TLC… she waits until his contract is up??? Something just doesnt sound right. And trust me I am no Jon Gosselin fan. I am sure she did overhear conversations, but she also went on TV and trashed Kate.
Looking at the notes… the 1st page just doesnt seem to fit with the others. It looks like the others were his notes when speaking with Kate… but the first page just looks out of place… I cant tell if the handwriting is the same, but who in their right mind would ever write “Jon threatens Kate.. privately extorts..” things like that. Its strange and its written strangely. Nowhere else in the notes does he say Jon blah blah blah.
Hailey said she wouldn’t sue Jon as long as he was getting paid from the kids.
Stop and think this through.
Jon is up for TLC to renew his contract. If they renew his contract, according to Hailey’s word, she still won’t sue him. If Jon made this threat to Kate, what would keep Jon from trying the same with TLC, accusing the crew of abusing the children?
I don’t know the laws in PA but Kate may not need Jons approval for filming- say she doesn’t - If TLC is put in a postion where they can keep filming without Jon’s approval – that doesn’t mean that Jon still couldn’t make the threats to TLC. Imagine what TLC would have to go through to disprove them. The money it would cost. Cheaper and easier to just pay Jon even if his approval to film isn’t necessary.
So without TLC Jon wouldn’t have any money so what would be the point of Hailey suing Jon, then? Well, she would be able to get a judgement against him for any future earings, even though those would likely be slim to none without TLC, but more important, she completely and throughly ruins Jon. After all, he tried to ruin her and Hailey strikes me as the type that biting you back would be more important than the money.
She bites him in two ways: she ruins him and he gets no TLC contract to just sit on his butt.
You have to wonder what else Hailey has on Jon? I don’t see the end of this anytime soon.
Man I wish TLC would have just sqwashed him like a little bug when they had him in court!!!
I think at least the last 4 pages are notes of Jons… and if Hailey has these papers… i just wonder what else she has up her sleeve. Jon is a con artist and he knows he can con these younger girls much easier than a woman his own age. I just hope he grows up one day and its not too late that his children have no respect for him. I just don’t know how Kate stayed married to him for so long without losing her mind. We know he didnt get what he wanted out of Kate in the end and thats the best revenge there is. And we all know Kate and the kids have money in the bank and I bet Ellen pays for much of Jon’s living expenses. She will tire of this and unfortunalty he will find a new con… they always do.
I understand everyone wanting to have hope Jon will change, but I’ve been around a long time. People like this seldom change, that’s a sad fact of life but it’s true. And the few that do change usually don’t change until they hit rock bottom and have to live there a while.
My thoughts:
This is ugly. If this was something illegal, Hailey should have told the police, or Kate Gosselin at least. She should not have sold this to ROL. I hate that this is in the public. Those poor kids!
CPS is called Children and Youth around here. If Jon called it “CPS” he got it from reading Gosselin blogs where it is consistently referred to as CPS because that’s what they call it in CA, where Pennmommy did her blogging.
Ziggy, I would find it unusual for C&Y to remove a child from her home because of a call like this, unless they had very good reason to suspect the child was in danger. They would have investigated and found that she was in no danger. I don’t know if Kate would have been afraid of that anyway, though, because as a mom, I know I would panic anyway, despite what I know of C&Y. That’s JMO going by my experience with C&Y. Others may have different experiences.
Lindsay, ITA about the notes. The first is out of place. To me, it looks like a summary of something that happened, not what was planned and read. Whose handwriting is that? I’m not sure it’s Jon’s. It looks like a summary of what was discussed or overheard. I have never heard Jon refer to himself in the third person. That’s what ROL says Hailey said. I’m not buying that.
The other notes look like points to negotiate during a divorce. His “talking points.” He lists income sources and expenditures (therapy, names of people who are owed money, rings/family heirloom necklace, .) The laundry might be a reminder that she didn’t do all the work she was claiming? He has points about needing money and her control of it “Why does she decide who gets what 80%” I don’t see much evidence of extortion in the notes. He seems to be listing points that he wants to bring up to get an equitable distribution of money and goods. “JKIG no more- 2 separate corps/2 separate checks.” I see expenses he needs to pay (in the next 48 hours? need money for credit cards) and custody and division of goods he’d like to see in the settlement. Also, there is swearing and vulgar language, as if he was writing his reaction to what Kate was saying so that he could show a third party that he disagreed with what was said.
I don’t see anything in those notes to indicate anything more than Jon was very angry, needed money from Kate that he thought he deserved, and that he planned on asking for certain things regarding assets and custody.
I don’t mean to excuse or minimize what must have been a nightmare for Kate. I have never been through a divorce, but this one looks like it was one of the nastier ones. I am just not inclined to call the notes evidence of anything illegal.
I just feel so bad for the kids. One day they will know that their own father was willing to use them for his own gain. I agree that the Kate haters will use this as the smoking gun they have been waiting for. I do not see however even a Kate hater could excuse Jon for this if they thought he truly believed the kids were being abused,but they will probably spin it somehow. This whole thing has gotten so unbelievably ugly that now even I believe it’s time for Kate to take some drastic actions. If I were her I believe I would consider moving and keeping the kids as far out of the spotlight as possible.This just shows the depth of Jon’s problems in his own self-entitlement.
I will take time to cool down my anger and what I really want to say so I will save that for later. I will just say that my heart goes out to Kate, the children especially Maddy and Kate’s family because all this is going to do is give more fuel to the fire of what we call the insane jealous haters of Kate. I hope that Kate can make it through this latest nightmare with the strength and dignity that she has been displaying for quite some time now. I know without a doubt I would not be able to handle all this nightmare. Kate, the children and Kate’s family needs all the more support from those of us that know the truth more than ever.
I will say that I totally agree with Lindsay’s first line in one of her comments. “Man I wish TLC would have just sqwashed him like a little bug when they had him in court!!!”
I just wonder what is keeping Jon from writing the tell-all book we’ve been expecting since the divorce. I hope it’s his sense of decency and respect for his children, and not money. I’m afraid that might be his only back-up plan. Kate can probably find something in showbiz and, if all else fails, she has that nursing license. Jon doesn’t seem to have anything but his notoriety.
I just saw this quote also:
But another Gosselin ex, Kate Major, is standing up for Glassman, telling PopEater, “It doesn’t surprise me in the least that Jon would deny Hailey’s accusations about threatening to call CPS on Kate. He constantly bashed Kate to me and even told me he wanted full custody of the kids just for the money. He was very vindictive towards the mother of his children. It was if he was out to get her.”
Once again Kate is the one being hurt here,
If Hailey’s intent was to get at Jon and hurt him with these accusations she failed.
Kate is being accused of physical abuse and you know the haters believe any thing negative said about her , they have ran with it and its the truth to them.
Jon already has this life coach giving interviews that Hailey is lying ? And then of course she had to add that Jon is trying to get his kids off TV.
I know Hailey is no saint, but Jon accused her of lying before when he said she trashed his apartment and stole from him. She was completely cleared of any of those charges by the NYPD.
And Jon has been caught lying about Kate more then a few times since their divorce.
I just wonder what is keeping Jon from writing the tell-all book we’ve been expecting since the divorce. I hope it’s his sense of decency and respect for his children, and not money.
It is easier to sue someone for a published book than it is to sue for a blog, etc. So publishers want named sources, even Kitty Kelly has to vet her books. You don’t need to publish the name but you do need to provide them to the publishers lawyers.
So Kate hurt Maddy and Jon didn’t protect his child? Or Kate didn’t hurt Maddy but Jon was willing to have Maddy taken from the home and interrogated by social workers? This story is lose/lose for him.
Marie, agreed. Hailey knows her credibility would be on the line. Hailey isn’t stupid.
I am just sick that Maddy is named in this mess to begin with. If she finds out about all this it is her being hurt the most and there is tears in my eyes because the hurt has to be very hard on her. I know Kate will handle it in the best way she can but you can only protect your children so much but things can happen that are out of your control so this is a tough time for Kate no matter what.
Lexxi – it is not about Maddy being singled out because she is Maddy. Madd just happen to have a unrelated injury at the time which fit into Jon’s motives. It could’ve been any one of the other children. Personnaly, I felt there was going to come a time when Kate would be forced to sit down with the chidren and tell them the truth. This may or not may not be the time.
This whole saga is beginning to make me feel very dirty. I think I’ll go take a shower…..
Kate Major? Really?
This is awful. I haven’t once supported any of these girlfriends speaking out to tell the world how awful Jon is. I agree with CoCoPuff, this is harmful to Kate and the kids. How hurtful to have this sold to tabloids!
If there is something illegal, they should have gone to the police. If he was so repulsive to these ladies, they shouldn’t have lived with him, travelled with him, hopped in a juccuzi with him, quit a job for him, professed their love for him, taken horse and buggy rides with him, or lent him any money. Can they not see how messed up their credibility is, especially Kate Major. How long did she even know him? A month? Why would she stay with a man who did such repulsive things?
Lexxi, ITA with post 28.
I should clarify – Kate about their father.
“It is easier to sue someone for a published book than it is to sue for a blog, etc. So publishers want named sources”
But Marie, wouldn’t Jon be his own source? He could tell his own story with a negative spin on Kate.
The haters are saying that Kate must have had something to hide if she gave in to Jon. I’m sure they wouldn’t consider that she would want to shield her kids from his accusations. Why is it not considered bad for him to “know” something is wrong, yet all he does is talk about it?
Ziggy-I know none of this is Mady’s fault but, if this is proven, it’s not like it would be the first time she’s been used by her father, who clearly favors her sister over her, and she’s at a very vulnerable age. For all her bravado, she’s always struck me as very vulnerable.
I was really impressed on the NY trip how she’s maturing. She willingly sprayed her younger siblings at the train station; she helped hold them up to that water spray fan at Central Park, she helped her mother pick out souvenir tea pots in Chinatown., and she just seemed to be very calm and wryly funny most of the time.
I’m not saying it wouldn’t be hurtful to Maddy, I’m saying Jon didn’t single her out becasuse she is Maddy. Ann, I understand what you’re saying and agree to a certain point. They all went after Jon thinking he’d make them famous and they all got burnt. I agree that any way it goes it will be hurtful for the the kids, but Kate, possibility not. It IS another added stress and ‘scandal’ for her to have to deal with, possibility more legal expenses, but this could end up being a very positive turn for Kate. Several times in mylife what initially seemed a very bad thing happening actually ended up being the best thing which could happen. I’m a firm believer that if one holds on tight, does the right thing, there is always something good which can come out of something bad.
I just don’t see this as the sky is falling on Kate.
Peggy, I agree. But I think you all are failing to miss my point – Maddy just happened to have a unrelated injury at the time which was convenient for Jon. Jon didn’t pick Maddy out – if Kate needs to address this with Maddy, Kate can make this clear. I think Maddy has her father’s ‘number’ far more than any of the other kids do and of all of them, I think Maddy could grap the the best with the least hurt that it was her being singled out. I could be totally wrong, but that’s how Maddy appears to me. Kids are a heck of a lot smarter and clued in than they are often given credit for and more reslient that often given credit for. This isn’t anything against you, Peggy, but I’m trying to put perspective on it for others. Kate’s kids are sharp kids.
IW, please delete the double post – I guess with all the traffic, your site is running slow for me. Sorry, I hit enter twice.
All I can say is…… maybe Kate should have given him the $22,ooo for therapy!!!! It does look like notes written in a conversation with someone, maybe his lawyer, maybe Hailey is telling the truth that he wrote them preparing for conversation with Kate. Either way….. it’s ugly!!! Sadly, I liked him. I used to say to myself, look at them…. I’m a lot like Kate and my John is a lot like Jon… they look happy, they can make it. I threatened to filed for divorce from my John once, this laid back (lazy) calm man turned into a man I never knew existed! He went for the jugular in more ways than one that I don’t care to recall. It’s the ugly of divorce. I have to wonder what Kate saw in Jon in the first place – I mean look at his behavior in one year. It’s gone beyond a man finally out of the hands of his “controlling” wife as he claimed. He needs to be controlled from what I see. I still continue to hope he gets himself together for the kids sake, heck, his own sake, but I’m not sure it’s something he can do. He’s become a joke! Who will ever take him seriously. I fear he ends up on some has been show to embarrass his kids further.
Regardless of if these “notes” are Jon’s handwriting or not Hailey should not have sold it to ROL. Kate is a smart cookie, she’ll deal with the scum bag in her own time but the kids don’t need more hurt.
Ann says…Can they not see how messed up their credibility is, especially Kate Major. How long did she even know him? A month?
Was it even a month? I thought it was a long weekend (or a lost weekend).
Tanny said..This whole saga is beginning to make me feel very dirty. I think I’ll go take a shower…..
Boy do I agree. I just feel sick. I feel bad for Kate in that there is an inference that she physically harmed her child. She can’t defend herself. How can she? Is Glassman that set on revenge that she has to drag Kate into this too?
Ann says…I’m just not inclined to call the notes evidence of anything illegal.
Ann, I agree and good analysis of the notes, by the way. Jon’s actions may have caused people to doubt him, but I personally still believe we need to judge each incident on its merits (or lack of them).
Perhaps (if these documents are authentic), this is part of what Jon considers to have been stolen? Hailey may have been cleared by the NYPD because nothing of value was proven to be stolen, but these documents don’t belong to her.
But Marie, wouldn’t Jon be his own source? He could tell his own story with a negative spin on Kate.
I was a person once questioned before a book was published so this is coming from the source side. The dates would be vetted. The sequence of events. So if Jon says this happened and then Kate did this and then that happened – then Kate’s lawyers can prove s/he was out of town during that sequence the entire story is a lie. Then if Kate did something to Jon with Beth in the room they would ask Beth questions. If Beth said something completely different then they go back to the writer. I was told that it is a negotiation if the story or time lines don’t jive.
I was asked about dinners and dates and length of hair! They liked that I had old filofax pages that I was referring to and said not to lose them.
Books that are ‘tell all’ go through this. I did see where someone on Morning Joe was aware of parts of an upcoming book because they had been fact checked by the publisher. So a lot more goes into this stuff than we are used to on the internet.
Perhaps (if these documents are authentic), this is part of what Jon considers to have been stolen? Hailey may have been cleared by the NYPD because nothing of value was proven to be stolen, but these documents don’t belong to her.
If Jon knew Hailey had these notes, that could’ve been his motivation for setting up the break-in of the apt. and blaming Hailey – an attempt to discredit her in case she came out with them, and possibly even more damaging evidence to Jon. Instead Hailey was cleared of the charges.
We do not know what, if any, evidence Kate may have along the same line. The notes may not be evidence of anything illegal, but they certainly raise suspicion.
There could be and boy do I hope so but on ROL a person that has been a hater for quite awhile has now asked that everyone just stop commenting on the articles about any member of the family, not Jon, not Kate and not the children. I’m all for it and maybe there is a pot of gold at the end of that rainbow after all. Maybe this all was just too much for people on both sides to handle so I know it’s reaching but it’s one step at a time and we can always hope.
If you completely take the 1st page out of the equation… the remaining pages are simply someone’s notes during a very ugly divorce with money and companies and such. Those pages dont disturb me. We all have known Jon wanted as much money as possible out of the divorce.. he was spending it like water at the time. I believe that is what made Kate file when she did to protect the money that was left from him blowing it all away.
The 1st page I just dont buy being written by Jon. Who would write such things down on paper? Who would refer to themselves like that and leave words that could very well have you charged with extortion on some scribbled papers. All the other notes refer to him as “I” not Jon. And Hailey is just not a credible person to believe what she is saying is true. If she had this damning proof of extortion she would have come out with it long ago. She found some notes and added to it to make it as explosive as possible…. and waited for a good time to bank on it (Kate on the Emmy’s!!!)
And a doog time for Hailey to do it, as well, would be when Jon’s contract with TLC is up for renewal. The timing of both just happen to come at the same time, which gives Hailey revlation more impact.
Jon staged a break in and blamed Hailey. Jon tried to set Hailey up and get her sent to jail. Hailey was cleared of these charges. Jon has never explained why he tried to set Hailey up nor has he ever apologized to Hailey.
Ok, I feel better now:) It’s just really hard for me to know who or what to believe anymore. Someone said last night they thought I was just looking really hard for the truth and they were right. (Sorry I can’t remember who without going back). It’s really impossible for any of us to know the truth unless we are there. I am not defending anyone but know that divorces can get really ugly and a lot of things are said and done in the heat of the moment and out of desperation. No one expects their most intimate thoughts and feelings to be sold to the media. If some of the things I thought and said to trusted friends in confidence during my divorce were made public I would have either been admitted to a psych ward or put in jail. It just sickens me that all this has to be played out in public. I guess that’s the price you pay when you put yourself in that situation. I know (or think) this Hailey person loaned Jon some money he hasn’t paid her back. Maybe she is just out to get him anyway she can. In my opinion she’s an evil person who is trying to destroy a family. Whether he did these things or not I do not know. I just think Hailey Glassman is desperate for the attention she lost when they broke up and will do anything to get it back. It’s really a sad, sad situation. Really.
I agree with you Tanny. If you look at the majority of the notes… they are negotiation points for the divorce and should not have been made public. Hailey was paid for these notes. Where she got them or why she sold them don’t matter they were not her’s to do so with and she needs to sue Jon in court and get out of this family’s business. The allegations about abuse and CPS IMO were simply for the shock and awe factor.
I think most on here I know even though I have not posted for long my support lies with Kate not Jon. He has done horrible things to his family.. but no ones notes from a divorce should be plastered online for anyone to see. As to the TLC filming of his kids/contract negotiations… If he is worried about his kids coming to him when they are teens he needs to realize they are going to be coming for more answers than just about filming schedules. They are going to want answers for why he did many things that are documented online… way before these notes became public. I don’t see any child complaining about having too many free trips to wonderful places.. but I definitely see children wanting answers for why dad ran off to NYC, Utah, France, stole money, bashed their mother on national TV…. and on and on and on
Lindsay and Tanny-I agree with what you say, particularly Lindsay’s statement, “If he is worried about his kids coming to him when they are teens he needs to realize they are going to be coming for more answers than just about filming schedules. They are going to want answers for why he did many things that are documented online… way before these notes became public. I don’t see any child complaining about having too many free trips to wonderful places.. but I definitely see children wanting answers for why dad ran off to NYC, Utah, France, stole money, bashed their mother on national TV…. and on and on and on”
I’m not saying Kate’s a saint, but, given the amount of provocation she’s had, I think she’s done remarkably well in taking the high road and that she’s clearly doing it for the sake of the kids. I noticed that during the NYC episode, she brought up Jon’s name with the kids very naturally, noting that, when they were in Chinatown, that daddy can read Korean and suggesting that the kids get rice cakes like the ones that Gammy, Jon’s grandmother, gave them. I can’t even begin to imagine what she feels about Jon at this point, but she seems to keep the kids’ interest at heart first and foremost. Jon had better take full benefit of that and realize that the only person who can truly destroy his relationships with his kids is Jon himself.
I look at this from another view point all together. Hailey’s family befriended Jon when he had no where to go. Jon scammed money out of them, always playing the poor Jon victim. When she found out he was not paying the bills on the apt., he took off with Kate Majors, while leaving Steph the nanny with a bad taste in Hailey’s mouth, and Steph had to hear the lies about the teacher. Kate see’s what is going on, Jon moves right on toMorgan, trashing Hailey all the way. Morgan see through Jon’s scam, being lazy, sitting on a couch all day, not helping to pay bills. Jon takes off, heads to NY, meets Ellen, another 22 year old, and the clock is ticking there also. Ellen wants LA fame, so I see the dust flying behind her already. Jon created this nightmare, and it will never end until Kate stops it. She is the only one who can do it, and thats a tough position for her to be in. The kids will be hurt more, the longer she puts this off.
I feel for Kate, the kids, Kates family and friends, but someone has to put a stop to him. This is more damaging to the children then being filmed on TV or being left with a nanny while Kate works. IMO only!!!
I love Kate’s reaction to all this hoopla today…. silence. She seems to handle Jon the best! Let’s just all thank the lord she is there to catch the kids if/when they need her. And they know that Mom loves them all with everything she has in her. She is by far a better woman in dealing with Jon than I could ever be!!!
And whats really sad is this negativity has taken the wind out of the wonderful coverage she was getting on the Emmys and the DWTS coverage she was doing.
Hopefully Hailey will disappear now and we can get back to more uplifting things… like the Kate+8 next week and a long relaxing weekend!!!!
Post #49 snickers – That’s what I’ve been trying to say all evening, EXACTLY, I just didn’t have the words you used and put is so concisely.
I feel for Kate, the kids, Kates family and friends, but someone has to put a stop to him. This is more damaging to the children then being filmed on TV or being left with a nanny while Kate works. IMO only!!!
No, snickers, it isn’t your opinion only, it’s mine, too!!
Hope he will be able to afford the cost to get the Korean tattoo of Ellen’s name taken off his back after they break up. Or maybe he can just keep adding the names of these woman as a permanent “Wall of Shame” of failed relationships.
I really wish Icould give him the benefit of the doubt, but it’s not happening.
Tanny said….It’s really impossible for any of us to know the truth unless we are there.
Exactly. Snickers makes a good argument for why Hailey has a reason to dislike Jon, but why drag this out and why bring Kate and one of the children into it?!? I truly think Hailey needs to just move on. She will be a happier person if she does so, I believe.
However, I don’t agree about making assumptions about Ellen, Snickers. Sorry, I just don’t see any facts to back-up what you say.
As always, I trust Kate to be strong and handle this with class. I hope we all can move on to happier topics soon.
Anya, I was just seeing a pattern in Jon’s gf. Everyone one of them except Morgan has used their relationship with Jon to sell crap to the rags. After a couple of months of dating Jon, one of Ellen’s friends said Ellen wanted fame and was using Jon to get it. I don’t twitter, but my kids do. Jon life is not stable for a long term relationship with young women. The notes pertained to Kate, and it shows that a young person usually reacts before they think things through. I wish Hailey would move on, but Jon does owe her money, and if he would have paid her back, I think she would have moved on long ago. I do hope for the best for Ellen, not another person drug through Jon’s mud. This is IMO only.
I want Kate to be able to smile, have happy kids, good friends and a wonderful family who stands beside her. As a Mother, this is what we all want for our families also.
Regarding the claims that this appears to just be notes about the divorce:
Why give 24/48 hrs. or go to DA -some say divorce attorney. That doesn’t even make sense And WHY is he giving her a time limit or he’ll go to DA, doesn’t matter if it’s the ‘divorce attorney’ or the District Attorney – it’s a threat telling her he needs 50K or 100K now.
He has another threat – buy him out for the Elizabethtown house or sell it at his stated amount.
He again states he needs 50K in 48 hrs.
PattyPie - also caught this – he says my money but before my he wrote your and crossed it out.
Also, Note abot half way down is the date Sept. 11, it became public on Oct 4.that Jon took money out of the account.
I just can’t see giving Jon a pass on this.
This makes me sad for everyone involved. No one – not Kate, not the kids, and not Jon – will benefit from more ugliness surrounding their lives being out there.
Hailey is angry and vengeful – presumably because Jon owes her money. I expect she is also unhappy about having been framed for the apartment break in. She has a legitimate beef with Jon but it seems like most of her actions are to keep herself in the tabloids periodically. Of course, the money paid for things like those notes probably helps her recoup some of her losses at Jon’s hands.
I do believe those are Jon’s notes from the time of the divorce (except maybe the first page – hard to tell). Most of what is written there is not news. I was a bit surprised he was trying to force Kate to sell the Elizabethtown at such a loss and I do wonder if she bought him out on the house and kept it on the market. Other than that …. there is not a lot of meat there. I am pleased that it appears Kate had very good lawyers on her side.
The idea of the kids owning the house and the parents rotating in and out was never going to work long term. Jon and Kate are not amicable enough.
I am finally at the point where I think they should no longer film the kids for the show. It is time to take away Jon’s ammunition. If the kids are not involved, Jon has no claim to any of the TLC money. It is time for him to swim or sink on his own.
Ziggy,
I think he might have owed businesses and people money. He might have had some deadline for part of that money. Like his New York rent? Or he was sick of waiting for what he believed was his. Kate can talk circles around him, maybe he set a deadline so he didn’t have to talk to her anymore about the money. I’m not saying it was right, just that it is not illegal to do that.
To me, these notes are evidence of an acrimonious divorce and a vengeful ex-girlfriend. If there is more there, they’ll need more evidence, IMO. I am not the least surprised Jon made demands (the Elizabethtown house) and has points written down to go into arbitration.
I love Kate’s reaction to all this hoopla today…. silence. She seems to handle Jon the best! -Lindsay
Absolutely! Kate rises above it all. I’ve debated whether I think Kate should clear Jon if Hailey is lying.*** I don’t. I don’t think she should be dragged into it, even to defend her children’s father. It would only serve to keep the story alive.
***I don’t know if Hailey is lying. I can easily believe Jon made the threats. My problem is the notes prove nothing to me, and Hailey Glassman has a credibility problem.
I agree with Tanny and Lindsay on this one, too. If Jon did this, Kate knows it, right? This is Kate’s to share or not share, and she didn’t share it. So, no, whether it’s true or not, Hailey is 100% wrong.
It’s also clear that Hailey took something from Jon, isn’t it? He said she stole his things. Well, we now have proof she stole his own personal notes about his divorce. No one believes Jon told Hailey, “Help yourself to the TV and my arbitrations notes!”
Also, Note about half way down is the date Sept. 11, it became public on Oct 4.that Jon took money out of the account.
I just can’t see giving Jon a pass on this.
Ok, I’m with Ziggy. That is a bit of a smoking gun. It would also mean that Kate did not go along with any extortion.
I agree with Tanny and Lindsay on this one, too. If Jon did this, Kate knows it, right? This is Kate’s to share or not share, and she didn’t share it. So, no, whether it’s true or not, Hailey is 100% wrong.~Ann
Yep, I agree. However Hailey obtained these papers, they aren’t hers. I also don’t think there’s any proof in the papers that Jon threatened Kate. There’s some proof that he’s demanding and I see him as hellish ex. If he is again suddenly intent on the children not having public lives, he needs to quit twittering about them. The hoopla about him wanting the children off tv is lame. It’s not that difficult of a process. TLC does not have him locked in a cage unless he agrees. It should be no prob for him to disallow filming once their contract expires. There’s no point in the drama. It’s a shame he can affect Kate’s life in this way. As the children belong to both of them, he has the power unless a court says otherwise. It doesn’t make it right. I strongly feel he needs to quit ping ponging them between filming/no filming. He better be prepared to support them too. Since Jon only thinks about Jon and “in the moment” w/no thought to future, I sincerely doubt he is prepared to do this.
Agree totally, Anya:
As always, I trust Kate to be strong and handle this with class. I hope we all can move on to happier topics soon.
My last totally speculative comment on this particular topic is, given that it probably doesn’t take much advance preparation to get something on Radar, I think Hailey gagged (as I did) over the Rabbi/Jon interview, fumed about him trying to lay the foundation for becoming a mentor to young single fathers, and proceeded to ring up her Radar contact from the glory days. I can imagine her sitting on a stash of information from her days with Jon that isn’t pretty.
I continue in my hope that Kate has a good support system around her, and that the kids are shielded from this and other nonsense. My hope for Jon is that he will begin responding to all inquiries about Kate with something he did say to the Rabbi, “I think we have good intentions”.
‘History is a better guide, than good intentions’. I for one do not buy into that ‘think-speak’ of good intentions. (It is just another excuse for falling short of what is the right choice.) Especially when talking about what is in the best interest of children.
I’d really like to know just who Sylvia LaFair is in Jon’s life…I know she is a life coach, but what is this one on one relationship that now has her playing Jon’s spokesperson. I personally find it scary that the same person who councels Jon in his private life is now tracked down for her public opinions – to the press?
The sad part is Jon does whatever he can to sabotage yet another goal Kate achieves. (ie., the Emmys).
He’s pathetic. I think all the stunts and documented papers on him in court are taken in well regard by those in authority (legally) who truly matter. Jon, Hailey, Kate Major, etc…it’s all a circus. He’s proven he’s a joke and a liar as well as a hack. The sad part is he is the kids’ father and he has yet to grow up and realize how his behavior is affecting them now, and later. And despite what everyone all realizes (at least those who are smart enough/not the haters), a kid loves their dad. These kids love their dad, I’m sure. That’s why I so want to slap some sense into him. Having said that, I do think that with the way the kids have matured (especially Mady and Cara), it seems that they realize this too. Seems that they know how he is and a disappointment. Probably why they are such good helpers to Kate. They had to assume responsibilities.
I love Kate’s reaction to all this hoopla today…. silence. She seems to handle Jon the best! -Lindsay
Lindsay, I agree totally with you…silence is golden. It is the reason that Kate has showed she’s the only one fit to have the kids fulltime, the only stable and the right influence in their life. She’s the mature one, and has always been. I really hope she meets a mature man of God who loves her eight just as much as she does. They all deserve that.
I should have been more clear about good intentions. My statement about what Jon should say was really just a suggestion of a “catch phrase” he could use. It is harmless and positive and reveals nothing of what they are actually doing privately to raise the children.
maybe these are actually notes for his book?
third party perspective
jotting down dates/amounts/people
just the fact that there are notes about this subject
I don’t think Jon cares about how his actions will hurt the kids as long as he can keep his mug in the media and is able to extort money from Kate and TLC by using the kids as leverage.
I understand Kate does need income to raise her children, but with Jon’s actions being in the news all the time, when will it stop for Kate and the kids. TLC should not renew his part of any contract, surely there is something they can do to by pass him now. How many times does Kate and the children need to go down the tube for what he has done??? Just asking???
As usual no comment from Kate, but ole Jon has been so busy on twiitter calling Hailey a liar. Why not ignore her, it would be out of the news, but Jon seems to want the attention, no matter who he hurts. Shame on him.
Nor is he concerned about his realtionship with the kids as he knows Kate protects them from the negative and protects how the kids view him, for the kids sake, so they won’t be hurt. Any damage he does to the kids, he can depend on Kate to fix it with the kids.
Jon’s got a good deal going. Why should he ever grow up and see himself for who he really is?
He doesn’t need to in able to get what he wants.
How many times does Kate and the children need to go down the tube for what he has done???
I agree wholeheartedly.
Oh my migraine! What a hot mess! When I think back to episodes of J&K+8, I think of Jon as being immature in regards to constantly needing to be reminded of tasks, etc. At this point we are seeing a Jon that is still immature but his frontal lobe must be that of a 4 yr old.
I can not put into words how much empathy I have for the Gosselin children. Just plain humiliation is what Jon is causing his family. Shame…
Let me play devils advocate for a second. When looking at the notes, it looks to me that the first page was written by someone else and I suspect it was Hailey herself. I also suspect that she may have taken part in this plot against Kate. So if the first page was written by Hailey and the rest was written by Jon but since as I suspect they both took part in this “plot” wouldn’t the notes actually belong to both of them? We don’t know and we weren’t there and it’s his word against her’s but if they both took part in this event maybe it wasn’t stealing on Hailey’s part by keeping the notes. Now I’m not standing up for Hailey but this is just and idea of what may have taken place so I don’t personally think it should be said that Hailey stole the notes if they both took part in this fiasco. Who knows, it’s been suspected that Jon trashed his own apartment and maybe it was these kinds of things that could be held against him that he was looking for. I think we need James Bond. LOL
I have to agree with many of the comments but I have to stand behind Kate on this one and keep her silence….All of this commotion and drama lies squarely on the shoulders of Jon. The sad part is it has been 15 months since the marriage fell apart and he stills has no visible plans for employment. Kate has certainly moved on and I wish her only the best in her pursuit of a career in the industry to support her children. She continues to be a true professional and is moving on in her life.
Diane I have to agree with you it’s good that Kate is staying silent on this and in fact she is getting props in the media for staying silent. They were very complimentary of Kate last night on Issues. They had a board talking about this latest fiasco and they really ripped Jon a new one. They all felt Kate was taking the high road and admired her for staying silent through all these stunts Jon does or his past loves. They all said Kate is moving on with her life and they felt Jon is jealous of her success and Kate is taking the right path on these types of stories. I think all of us wish nothing but success for her because after all she is the parent truly supporting her children in every way.
I’m not saying Kate should speak out. It takes great strenght to keep silent under the conditions and being subjected to the antics of someone else which Kate has.
I’m just saying it would be nice to see Kate and her children be able to move on without having to be keep continually dragged down and attempted to be tied by & life disrupted by forces who have no interest in moving on, who didn’t want the ‘old life’ but still continues to try to hold on to the old life without having the responsibilites of the old life.
I’m not saying Kate should speak out. It takes great strenght to keep silent under the conditions and being subjected to the antics of someone else which Kate has.
I’m just saying it would be nice to see Kate and her children be able to move on without having to be keep continually dragged down and attempted to be tied by & life disrupted by forces who have no interest in moving on, who didn’t want the ‘old life’ but still continues to try to hold on to the benefits of the old life without having the responsibilites of the old life.
I can’t say the who “owns” the first note, but the last two are Jon’s property. It is his handwriting, his ideas, about his divorce, from his ex-wife.
I don’t know what the law says about keeping documents that were written and left in the apartment/home you lived in at the time. If I lived with someone who wrote a death threat or extortion note and took it to the police, have I stolen their property? There are legal issues here that seem to be seperate from moral ones.
I am not sure about believing Hailey’s allegations. I believe that the divorce was ugly and that Jon made demands. I don’t believe making demands is extortion unless you do make threats as well. There were no threats on the documents.
However, Jon has done things that I have witnessed played that make me think he is capable of making such threats. I find three things particularly disgusting – all designed to fuel the Kate-hate:
1) Jon making public Kate’s text last October regarding the twins birthday. He turned their birthday into a media circus by going to the press and he was doing it for slefish reasons.
2) Jon allowing filming on his property of the dogs being taken away including calling the kids to the door to say good bye. The videographer was clearly on the property up close with Jon’s permission.
3) The filming of the crying kids being returned to Kate. Jon knew the videographer was there and there were several options other than allowing them tape the kids crying. (Keeping the back door shut for example.)
Personally, I think Jon is reaping what he has sowed. I still feel bad for the kids however.
There is a new post up on Radar with Hailey commenting on everything.. she is adament that she would not be providing the documents if they were not real because she could be sued. She also states she is going to write a tell-all book. And she compliments Kate’s parenting!
Ann as usual we seem to have very similier thoughts on an issue. So much so, I don’t really have a whole lot to add. Also the whole situation just makes me sad. Write it on the calander ladies…a speechless momsby is a rare thing:)
Though I understand Haileys frustration and need tell her side Parts of this interview, IMO just were not her story to tell. If she feels she needs to vent or get her story out there…fine. I agree with Ziggy, that she is not responsible for protecting Jon’s image for the sake of his kids. (it would be nice if she did though) That is Kates job, but Hailey just made it a whole lot harder.
Kate obviously did not give in, nor did she feel the need to make any of this public, that’s her choice.
Guess I’m not so speechless! I’m starting to think I should just not read anything relating to Jon. It just keeps getting more and more disturbing, in fact if I tweeted I’d block him
in fact if I tweeted I’d block him – Momsby
LMAO! Too funny, Momsby, too funny.