By Anya
Guess which parent got more flack from certain corners of the internet?!?
Jon went on a nearly all-night pub crawl with “Uncle Kevin” - Kevin Kreider – last Friday night. They hit 3 or 4 bars and chatted with local women. What do you think of this behavior?
Hailey Glassman has given her blessing to Jon’s new relationship with 20-something Morgan Christie: “Congratulations for finding yet another young girl with a rich family,” Glassman told RadarOnline.com. “I hope he marries her so he can pay me my money back.”
In another chapter of that endless book — “Kate Gosselin Can Do No Right”, the Kate critics spent the weekend analyzing a set of pictures that showed Kate picking the kids up from school. This fair minded group concluded that Kate only picked the kids up as a publicity stunt and that she had no business wearing pumps to the bus stop! Further, they allege that she roughly hoisted one or more sextuplets into the van and apparently tramautized poor Collin (whose name they always manage to mispell) by putting her hand over his mouth. Yep, it doesn’t seem as if things are getting any less INSANE in Gosselin blogging land even though the kids are no longer on TV.
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33 Responses to Jon Hits the Bars, Kate Picks the Kids up from School
I think as the Gosselin Children get older, we will hear more stories about Mommy Dearest.
I also believe any show that either Kate or Jon does, will fail!! They had their fame, because of the Children. Kate thinks she is the star!! Not in my eyes!! I could care less what either Kate or Jon does. I would like to see a yearly show on the Children.
I don’t often go to the critics site only because of the insanity of comments that are made there. But after reading how Kate is yanking Collin’s arm from looking at a picture(?) and looking like a hoochie with heels I have no choice but to defend Kate and all imperfect women.
We have a choice when we wake up in the morning. We can take the time to make ourselves look great or keep it simple. We can dress up or down depending on how our mood is and what is on our schedule for the day. To criticize a personal choice on one’s appearance is really stooping to the lowest level of judgement and shows a insecurity of a person’s true sense of self worth. I choose to live life with an open mind, wish the other site would do the same.
Jon’s partying with his BIL just shows me he is still not done with his reliving of his youth:) I really don’t have a problem with him going out at all. But I am sure Kate is still hurting a bit over the way her brother treated her in the press. Like Kate said it is his drama now and I am not mentioned which I am thankful for.
As this is truly my only source of Gosselin news anymore, thanks again Anya for the update.
The scrutiny of Kate’s mothering makes me think about the imperfect times of my parenting, and the imperfect times of my relatives’ parenting, and I hope she gets a break from the constant criticism someday. She is not a monster, she is human, and every interaction with her kids will not be sugary…that would be creepy and not normal.
No great thoughts on the Jon and Kevin bar hopping, except I wonder how it makes Jodi Kreider feel.
No matter what Kate does she will be critized while excuses are made for Jon’s behavior.
If she picks her kids up from school its a publicity stunt, if she doesn’t pick the kids up she is a bad mother. She just can’t win.
I have no opinion about the bar crawl except that I hope one of them was the designated driver. Safety first.
The reaction to Kate picking up the kids is insane. She was denounced as abusive at some sites, abusive for shushing her child by putting her hand in front of his mouth. You know where I saw the picture? At THREE of the hate sites. They all re-posted pictures of these kids AGAIN, getting off the bus. Now correct me if I am wrong, but isn’t it a violation of the kids’ privacy to post pictures of them? These are not pictures taken or sold by either parent. Kate has clearly stated she does NOT want these pictures taken, but these women continue to use the kids’ photos to encourage traffic to their blogs? Hypocrites.
Jodi may be fine with Kevin bar-hopping with Jon, but they can’t be happy with their kids potentially seeing pictures and reading about it. I can’t remember their ages, but I think at least one of them is nearly, if not already, a teen. They must have classmates who have come across it, or heard their parents discuss it. If Jo/Ke hadn’t put themselves out there, no one would be taking pictures. Good luck explaining “the truth” to your kids.
So, they’re after the pumps again. At least she wasn’t wearing the little yellow jacket, which I guess was way too fashionable for a mom.
I heard they’re also concerned about the kids being embarrassed by their mom, if she gets a new tv show. I believe that if she went back to her dowdy nurse self, and down-sized to a little house she could afford on that salary, they would criticize her for not giving the kids the life they “earned”. There’s no way anything she does would ever be praised.
Not sure why Jodi would be okay with her husband bar hopping til 4am with someone who has showed a complete lack of judgement over and over again…………………..
The criticism of Kate- her shoes, her picking the kids up, shushing Collin: its all ridiculous drivel- only made into an issue by pathetic women who want more blog traffic so they choose to blow every little thing out of proportion.
I don’t like Hailey in the least- but her comment about Jon paying her back was amusing!
No matter how or what Jon does, he will be criticize!! I am truly glad to see him and kevin are still friends. No doubt in my mind time will heal wounds.
The idea of 30-something-year-old men doing a bar crawl is hilarious. I promise that when Jon eventually comes here (and you know he will…a campus full of young, rich White girls–he’d be happy as a pig in…you know) I will get a picture with him and share the details. Who knows maybe he’ll buy me a drink?
But, Samantha, Jodi is the perfect, demure wife and mother. Surely she has nothing to fear from her husband going to bars all night. (lol)
Mary, nobody here was particularly critical of Jon until he started hanging out with other women while still married to Kate. Even if they were secretly separated at the time, they were in the public eye and it was disrespectful of his children to carry on as he did. And since then he has done all kinds of crazy things, even after saying he was going to change his ways (remember Rabbi Shmuley?). If he actually did settle down I think we’d give him credit for it.
And, I don’t think anyone has ever accused him of not loving his children, which is said about Kate at every opportunity.
I know that I only pick up my kids at the bus, when I want good publicity
. Oh yeah, and when they want to get home! I don’t blame Kate in the least for looking nice when she leaves the house. If I knew people were waiting to ambush me, I’d want to look my best, too. I seem to remember people making fun of her frumpy clothes before. As for Jon and Kevin, I hope Jon doesn’t rub off on Kevin. Then again, there might be a new show in it somewhere.
sheesh! i get so aggravated at gwop!!!! i don’t mind people having their own opinions and sharing them but this goes way beyond that. gwop is just a hate site…it no longer even seems to care about putting up the *advocacy* smokescreen. it’s all about hating kate.
i think they need their eyes checked. and their heads. they think kate looks awful and they think she is old news and predict she will will soon be off the radar.
i think jodi and kevin are getting what they deserve. they are reaping what they sowed. they were quick to go public with trash about jon and kate when it wasn’t true and now they are getting their every move watched and commented upon. no matter how much gwop makes excuses for them, the pix don’t lie and jo&ke will also have to explain to their kids why daddy is hanging out all night with uncle jon…the notorious uncle jon who exploited his own kids….gasp!
i also wate dot say i agree with you ann.
i think gwop is just crazy with jealousy and hate because it’s obvious kate could not care less about their opinions and thoughts. she is living her life, picking up the pieces and being responsible for her past choices/decisions. and she looks really good and healthy while doing so!
It boggles the mind that so many give Jon and Kevin a pass for barhopping until 4 a.m., but Kate gets criticized for picking her kids up at school. It’s amazing how many of these people live inside Kate’s head and know exactly what she is doing and thinking, isn’t it? I wish I had those super-powers! I’d love to see what they look like when they pick up their kids from school. Certainly not as good as Kate looks!
*****Warning: Sarcasm ahead.***** (I don’t want you guys to think in my brief absence I had a 180 turn) But Judy, don’t you realize that Kate mashed Collin’s face, and dislocated his shoulder by pulling him up into the van instead of lifting him nicely or getting a footstool for him, all while purposely looking at a paparazzi camera and rolling her eyes in a show of what a martyr she is. Oh, and she got free hair. All Jon has done is drain the family’s liquid accounts (to the tune of 230k), have relationships with every bottom-feeder fame whore he can find, tell the world that his ex-wife abused him and that he despised her (while claiming to love the new, young girlfriend with whom he has since broken up and now apparently owes her 90k). Oh, and he bought a Mazda and then a BMW, and then a Mercedes but that’s okay because he deserves a sports car (or three) because he was ABUSED.
I don’t want to devolve into a GWoP bash session, but I’ll say this–the lengths they go to make Kate look bad has become just plain out insane. The less Kate is around, the more her imaginary slights grow, and the greater level of crazy and hate comes out. Pictures of Kate picking up the kids draws abuse screams, but brings a torrent of excuses for the fact that Jon took the kids outside dressed warmly himself but left the kids in shirt sleeves. At this point I don’t have of an opinion one way or the other, but the Gosselin (or should I say Kate) hate parade has reached sociological and psychological study-worthy proportions.
Erin Kate, I could not agree with you more. What really galls me is that no matter how Kate tries to support her family … and she will be the one supporting her family, because Jon obviously has shown no inclination to work ever… these haters will try to derail whatever it may be. That really burns me up. I wish that there was a way to stop them.
I remember back when Jon was bar-hopping by himself and my naive younger self (well, one year younger, at least) tried to give him the benefit of the doubt. We all know how that turned out.
The criticism of Kate/defenses of Jon make more sense if we simply acknowledge from the start that they have no relation to reality. Rather than taking the situations presented (Jon barhopping, Kate picking up her kids) and drawing conclusions from there, some people start with what they see as iron-clad facts (Jon good, Kate bad – and the former is only true as long as he’s seen as Kate’s antagonist; he wouldn’t be getting such a pass if he and Kate were seen as getting along well) and then mold the situations to fit those “facts”. Kate is not being judged on her behavior; her behavior is being judged through the filter of the hatred these women have for her. So yeah, she literally cannot win. They’ve already shown that they can pick apart and criticize the tiniest details (one frame showing Kate holding her child’s arm, or her footwear). I don’t think there is anything Kate or Jon could do that would budge them one bit. If Jon’s behavior is too egregious to spin as harmless, then it’s simply All Kate’s Fault because he was an “abused spouse”. Life is so much easier, I guess, when you don’t have to actually evaluate situations but simply judge them based on your own set-in-stone prejudices.
Erin Kate, good to see you again!
The less Kate is around, the more her imaginary slights grow, and the greater level of crazy and hate comes out.~Erin Kate
Ita, lack of Kate makes a little news turn into a feeding frenzy. I read Lillian Glass’s interpretation of Kate hushing Collin and calling her abusive. What a wacko she is and she definitely shows herself through her writing. Does she know any real children or only seen them on her tv screen? There are so many possible interpretations and hers is ludicrous and irresponsible. What a horrible accusation to make. When I looked at the stills, I didn’t think Kate looked angry at all. She might have had one of her over exaggerated gasps when she saw Collin dragging his coat. Which I’m sure he knows he’s not supposed to do. As for where Kate’s hushing Collin, I thought it looked like a reflexive mom move where you’re not even thinking about it, because you’re giving instructions or they need to wait to speak. Not every moment in time is trauma inducing, this is a family w/their own intimacy, boundaries and rules. They already know how one another will react and what they’re thinking. I love how Lillian Glass conjectures that Collin needed love and reassurance at the moment. For all she could tell on the stills, Collin was tugging on his mom’s coat telling her how he hated his coat, calling someone a doodie head, or trying to tell his mom something he did at school. (My neg suppositions are no reflection on sweet little Collin, he’s just a real kid being picked up by his mom after school). Lillian Glass is an idiot or has an agenda w/her sensational worst case scenario.
She is not a monster, she is human, and every interaction with her kids will not be sugary…that would be creepy and not normal.~MaryNGG
It would be so creepy and not believable. Ita. Kate is Kate w/her own personality, but she seems like most any other mom who is trying to do her best.
The idea of 30-something-year-old men doing a bar crawl is hilarious. I promise that when Jon eventually comes here (and you know he will…a campus full of young, rich White girls–he’d be happy as a pig in…you know) I will get a picture with him and share the details. Who knows maybe he’ll buy me a drink? – Jasmin
LMAO. Your posts always make me chuckle, but there is a real degree in truth in them.
Why is Jon constantly attracted to women a good ten years younger than himself? And we aren’t talking the difference between a 40-year-old and a 50-year-old – - these are still young girls, IMO. Jasmin is an exception, but most girls in their early 20′s still have some maturing and growing up to do. Why does Jon seek that out? Please understand I am not commenting on every relationship between someone in their 20′s and someone in their 30′s. I think it’s the combination of factors with Jon and the fact that he does have 8 kids and no job that really make me wonder where his head is at.
I can’t begin to understand their attraction to him. That analysis is for another day.
Not every moment in time is trauma inducing, this is a family w/their own intimacy, boundaries and rules. They already know how one another will react and what they’re thinking. – Lily
Beautifully said. How true.
Lillian Glass is an idiot or has an agenda w/her sensational worst case scenario
Lily- I could not agree more!
The idea of 30-something-year-old men doing a bar crawl is hilarious. I promise that when Jon eventually comes here (and you know he will…a campus full of young, rich White girls–he’d be happy as a pig in…you know) I will get a picture with him and share the details. Who knows maybe he’ll buy me a drink? – Jasmin
I live in a large city & there are tons of 30 something men & women at the bars. People don’t get married really young & stop hitting up these places anymore. When I look at the picture of Jon & Kevin, I think they look a lot older than they are. If I saw them at a bar, I’d leave. I find both very unattractive. And I’d probably have the urge to throw a drink at Jon. Nonetheless Jasmin, I think it would be funny to get a pic w/Jon- but I’d be afraid it’d show up on the cover of Star Magazine.
I can’t imagine why anyone my age would be interested in Jon, except for his fame, or rather, infamy. I know I have a lot of current obligations and future plans, but not a lot of independence (in the sense that I can’t just pick up and drive off tomorrow, and I don’t have loads of expendable income). I would think most college girls would be the same way, so essentially Jon, with his devil-may-care attitude, is still the immature one in the relationship. Personally, I’m not attracted to unambitious men, but who knows?
I will also cop to having a creepy feeling that women date Jon hoping to play with the kids or something–I used to hear girls always gushing about them when the show was on. I doubt most girls my age would truly understand all that comes along with dating a father of 8 kids, let alone a “famous” one.
We have a choice when we wake up in the morning. We can take the time to make ourselves look great or keep it simple. We can dress up or down depending on how our mood is and what is on our schedule for the day. To criticize a personal choice on one’s appearance is really stooping to the lowest level of judgement and shows a insecurity of a person’s true sense of self worth. I choose to live life with an open mind, wish the other site would do the same.- Diane
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Not sure why Jodi would be okay with her husband bar hopping til 4am with someone who has showed a complete lack of judgement over and over again…………………..
The criticism of Kate- her shoes, her picking the kids up, shushing Collin: its all ridiculous drivel- only made into an issue by pathetic women who want more blog traffic so they choose to blow every little thing out of proportion.
I don’t like Hailey in the least- but her comment about Jon paying her back was amusing! – Samantha
Amen Diane and Samantha! Couldn’t agree more!
I don’t think any married man should be out barhopping. But, it doesn’t surprise me that Kevin is stooping to this childish behavior. His actions are just as half-whacked as Jon’s.
Hello everyone! I miss you all very much..Im having some GDNNOP withdrawals this week, so I thought I would comment.
What Jon does on his own time is fine, but it does seem like hes regressing a bit by finding other ways to get into the media. I mean really, did it not appear that the photo on Radar was taken by Jon himself (his arm was not visible in the photo) then given to Radar for the exclusive? What I said on my own site was that I found it sad that he appears to never be at the house with the kids anymore. I mean, if the photogs are always there and they only see him barely twice a week there could that actually be true? So sad that Sundance and the new girlfriend is now the top priority.
For those that have seen the video of how crazy the paps are when Kate picks the kids up from the bus, well its heartbreaking. The kids deal with that every time they are picked up by one of their parents. GWOP has gotten so bad and vile that they encourage ANYTHING negative about Kate to be put as a post and her life trashed at length. Recently one of Kate’s neighbors from the old house confessed who she was and basically admitted to being obsessed with trashing Kate at any length because of being aggravated about the amount of traffic over the years on her street. Can you imagine how disturbing it is to find out that its actually your old neighbors that’s been stirring up all the hatred on that site? (For the record, this woman has contacted me personally, I know her full name and where she lives in relation to the house, and if you only knew wat hatred she was trying to spew it would make you ill.) No imagine if that was you, dealing with one of YOUR neighbors….
So when a lot of us basically assumed it had to be someone in close proximity to the house that has pupming those trolls with info then you are correct. They have no connections now, so they basically just put up articles for the jealous ex-neighbors to trash. But taking it to the level were theysay Kate was abusing her children, well thats where I step in and put my fists in..
Hi Debbie/AKA….. Nice to see you posting.
The neighbors with axes to grind bug me. I have said it before and I will say it again — I understand that at some point the production of J&K Plus 8 started to infringe on the quality of life in their neighborhood and I understand being peeved. I don’t understand still being vengeful and angry a year after the Gosselins have moved out. Especially when it all seems directed at Kate. Why? Perhaps because Jon would occasionally wave to you and stop for small talk and Kate wouldn’t bother? Give me a break….
The abuse allegations are absurd. I have gotten to the point where I just tune out their madness. Putting your hand over your kid’s mouth for a couple seconds equals depriving him of oxygen – ? The wild stories that are made up out of viewing 5 or 6 still photographs? Only one word describes it — c-r-a-z-y.
And just because I read it in one of the “early” comments on this thread … no, I don’t “care for” Kate. But she ROCKS her shoes – and I’d be pretty comfortable betting some cash, that I likely own MORE pairs of shoes that would indeed be termed “hooker heels” by lots of Kate critics. I also like the “old” hair better. Way better – see? I can NOT like Kate as a person, but still appreciate her sense of style. And she is very very pretty. Prettier in her OLD do, though.
AND (yes me again!) just b/c you’ve seen pix from “twice a week” of Jon at the PA house, did you see pix everyday of Kate & the kids? There are fewer and fewer pics of all of them. Just b/c the paps snap Jon at Sundance, does NOT mean he wasn’t w/ the kids LAST WEEK. We do not know their schedule and I do get highly annoyed when others assume they can decipher who has custody when and which parent spends more time with their kids b/c of a few (few & far between, IMO) pics posted at so sugary.
DH, your attitude towards Kate is refreshing. Yes, I totally understand not liking her personality – I think that’s totally reasonable. It’s the places that people take that dislike that make me shake my head. I’ve hated a few people in my life that much (and gotten over it; it’s not healthy), but those were people who HAD personally wronged me; I don’t get feeling that way about a total stranger. But I do recognize the feeling – you dislike the person so very much that you lose all perspective and feel compelled to criticize every single thing you can about them. It’s just way over the top. Though I’m more bugged by those who claim to know what Kate thinks and feels; I don’t think I ever did that with my worst enemies.
Regarding pics being taken as proof of who is spending time with the kids, I mostly agree with you. I do think that from what we know of their movements, Jon is the one running hither, thither and yon (as Kate would say), whereas Kate appears to be sticking close to home, most of the time. My only issue is with the unbalanced nature of the criticism – if Kate were halfway across the country walking around at a film festival, visiting freebie suites with her second confirmed boyfriend since her split, a number of people’s heads would explode. She is pilloried for behavior that is so much more benign than his shenanigans, and the sexist double-standard their bugs the heck out of me.
Yikes – seventh to last word should be “there” not “their” – I hate when I do that!
Jennie – too funny! And I love your avatar, the sweet kitty reminds me of my (sadly, now passed) Joe. Although I’m pretty sure Joe had no idea he was a cat, and would probably have been offended to be told so – LOL!
Yes, I agree with you on both sides. There most definitely is a double standard. Why should Kate’s not traveling tither & yon be any reflection on what type of parent she is?
For whatever reason, JK8 motivate such strong opinions either for or against – rarely is there a middle ground, or an ambivelant opinion.
You are right; if it were Kate out at Sundance, she’d be “galavanting” around the globe foresaking her duties as a “real” mother. I will be the first to admit I don’t care for her – she’s not someone I would choose as a friend, it’s just personality thing with me. But I don’t begrudge her personal happiness.
She’s divorced; there are times when she doesn’t have the kids – hey, go out, have a good time, do whatever! Yes I know she’d be crucified – kinda my point. Neither of them should be villified for what the choose to do in their “off” time.
I said on the other thread, Jon being in Utah with whatever girl he’s with now, does NOT reflect on his parenting skills, nor on his love for his kids. Kate spending however much time getting her hair done, doing the accompanying photo-shoot & interview – it’s her time. It doesn’t make her a bad parent.
Jon is more openly affectionate. But he certainly doesn’t love those kids “more” than their mother. They BOTH love the kids, the kids love both of them. Yes, me as a mom/parent, I would likely not choose to live out of state from my young children. Then again, my personal finances would never even let that be a consideration, so I don’t know if I was “in their shoes.” But if he (or she, meaning Kate) has the resources to travel at will, who cares if either one of them are at Sundance?
Oh, to remake the world into my own fantastical utopia – LOL!
I said on the other thread, Jon being in Utah with whatever girl he’s with now, does NOT reflect on his parenting skills, nor on his love for his kids. Kate spending however much time getting her hair done, doing the accompanying photo-shoot & interview – it’s her time. It doesn’t make her a bad parent.
You’re right. I do have some thoughts about Jon’s girlfriend-hopping, but it more has to do with me thinking it’s unhealthy for him than thinking that it makes him a bad parent in any way (though I do hope he’s smart about waiting to introduce the kids to any new women in his life). I look at the way Jon is living his life now and he seems a bit out of control to me. But I acknowledge that I don’t have the full story. I don’t think he’s a bad person; I do think he’s been immature and irresponsible since the split, again with the caveat that this is based on what I “know” mostly from gossip.
Regarding the possibility (which may just be rumor) of Jon moving to Utah, I’d understand it better if it were for a job opportunity. For a new girlfriend? That’s something I would expect someone with his responsibilities to really think hard about. Even if he has the money and the time and the freedom to fly across the country constantly to handle his custody days, I think there are just logistical issues with living so far from your kids part of the time. I don’t think it’s enough to call him a “bad parent” but I think a better parent would make sticking closer to the kids a priority.
I LOVE tuxedo kitties! Ours is a young one – she’ll be 1 in May. She thinks she’s fierce but she’s not scary at all. And she eats like you would not believe – she’s really getting fat. Time for some diet kitty food.
I think both Jon and Kate have made poor choices as far as fashion. I saw a picture of Jon recently that burned my retinas. He had some shirt on with a colorful tiger all across the front. A shirt that no man in MY family, be they 32 or 7, would be caught dead in. Something about this man just makes me want to slap him. It doesn’t surprise me he’s out bar hopping like a 20 year old or trying to “hang” with the snow boarders or dating young girls who don’t threaten him. He’s immature and to use my grandmother’s word, which he perfectly embodies, trifling.
Kate’s new hair looks like cra@p. I can’t imagine spending 20 hours to do that to myself, speaking of trying to look much younger than you are – I wasn’t crazy about that funky part sticking up on the back of her old hairdo but the short hair was much more fitting on her, in my view. It is amazing to me how often the shots of her are at the bus stop. Doesn’t she go anywhere else? It’s very sad when celebrity is just for being a mom, one of America’s most loved families turned to most hated or criticized moms. The media is so fickle.
Uncle Kevin went bar hopping – so what. They should be able to go out and have a guy’s night out. However if I were his wife I would not be happy with the 20 somethings that appear to crawl all over Jon, which in itself is inexplicable. My 19 year old is horrified of him. She just thinks he is grotesque in looks and in the fact that he’s in his 30′s and has 8 kids, not really a babe magnet to any normal young woman however the lure of celebrity appears to outweigh the fact that he is neither hot nor cool. Ask yourself how many of these girls would have found him attractive if he weren’t famous. My guess is none.
I hope he settles down, I can’t imagine the idea of him moving to Utah to be a snowboarder would sit well with his kids. Don’t they deserve a little normalcy?
Didn’t Jon sponge off his dad and do nothing of note when he was a young man? did not graduate college nor any kind of work related or certificate program. Then he and Kate used his father’s money or the inheritance to eke out their own finances. It doesn’t seem that Jon has any idea of working, long term but rather to “leverage” his celebrity and use people around him including his family, kids, girlfriends parents etc. for their money or earning power. He’s like some animal that leeches on to another for survival. That gives me the CREEPS.
After age 18 or certainly 21 he should be able to stand on his own feet financially and should have some kind of work ethic. Instead he is shiftless and torpedos his wife’s attempts to make money. I have a particularly hard heart against passive aggressive people. I don’t like immaturity in a 16 year old girl, but it seems so much WORSE in a 32 year old MAN. I know that is sexist, I guess I’m old fashioned that way. As far as him loving his children so much, well thank goodness. However love doesn’t pay the bills. When my husband was laid off his job he spent a few weeks feeling sorry for himself because there was no work in his particular line, for awhile. He has worked non stop for decades and I knew he’d go back when work started up again so I didn’t mind, he did a lot of home repairs and it was nice having him not be gone 28 days in a row. However he overheard our son’s reply to a friend who asked why his father was home all the time – what does he do? My son said “Nothing.” Dad was out there looking for work at other firms the next DAY. You wonder why Jon’s ability to feel shame doesn’t kick in. Has it atrophied?