By Anya
Another busy week for the Gosselin family and those of us watching on the sidelines. We will have to wait for all the tabloids to hit the stands before a complete picture emerges (and then we have to decide what to believe), but it appears public sentiment continues to tilt Kate’s way. Maybe it has something to do with her staying home with the children and taking them to the doctor while Jon parties in the Hamptons.
What did you ladies think of Jon and Hailey swinging on the swings at the park? Publicity stunt? More bad judgment and acting like a juvenile? Both?
Lily brought to my attention that HeroBuilders has launched a reality TV star doll section, including figures of Jon and Kate. They are selling like “hotcakes.” Sigh. Of course, this is a company that produces – and apparently sells – Sarah Palin and Nancy Pelosi action figures. No doubt the J&K version will be cluttering up cubicles in an office park near you soon.
Just as we were going to press (love saying that), a rumor started making its way around the internet that Jon was hanging out with Michael Lohan (Lindsay’s dad) in the Hamptons. I think I speak for most of us when I express my belief that this is quite possibly the THE WORST IDEA EVER. If there is ever an Olympics devoted to Worst Ideas, this move on Jon’s part will take the Gold, Silver and Bronze.
Then more details emerged: Kate Major (Star Magazine reporter) was the woman hanging out with JoGo and MiLo – not Hailey. One of the Housewives from NYC was there too. Kate broke the story to her own magazine that she has fallen for Jon and is she resigning her position at Star Magazine due to a “conflict of interest.”
In other news, Hailey Glassman seems to be the last one to know she has been dumped. I feel a tiny bit sorry for Hailey because she is such a mess. Before all this went down, however, Hailey was talking smack to People Mazazine. “I’m a huge believer in not controlling someone,” says Glassman. “I’ll give my opinion but tell him to do what he wants to do. He said, ‘I’m just not used to having an option.’ I told him life is about options.” Now, I don’t have any idea what (or who) Miss Hailey could be talking about, do you, dear readers? How does everyone think Jon is doing in making decisions for himself? Just curious.
I’ll finish with this little nugget. Jon is quoted as telling Life & Style that his two-bedroom apartment should not be considered a bachelor pad, even though it’s two hours away from his 8 children and the accommodations are a bit snug. (Why do I see poor Alexis being forced to sleep in a tub?). Jon shares that he would like to take the kids to see his new place and then take them to FAO Schwarz. Is it me, or does he sound more like their uncle than their father???
Anything else I write will be out of date within the next 25 minutes, so I’ll end there and let IW readers fill us in on the latest. The only topics off limits are 1)Jon having PTSD, 2) white tights and 3) whether vaccinations should be given in the arm or butt. There is a great board that already covers these very important topics.
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114 Responses to JON SWINGS AT THE PARK, HANGS WITH MiLo AND OTHER UNBELIEVABLE TALES
I saw the report where Haily repeated what Jon said about not being use to having options. I imagine he is referring to how Kate made all the decisions in the marriage. I wish that Jon had manned up in his marriage when he was totally against one of her dictates instead of the awful move he has made to publicly carouse with any woman that will have him, and in doing so publicly humiliate Kate and the children.
Kudos to Kate for concentrating on the children and not giving a public show of retaliation on one-upmanship. As long as she continues to follow the high road I think she will be the one to come out on top.
i know, right…sad sad sad. but i did read that hailey told people that she wasn’t aware kate major was in the hamptons with jon…and she is quoted as saying *i still love jon and jon loves me*.
lol to the off limits topics.
Oh my God you guys, I just read that the Star “writer” Jon has been with in the Hamptons quit her job over Jon! This is the official statement from the mag:
In a statement released moments ago, Star magazine says, “Star Senior Reporter Kate Major resigned this morning, Thursday, July 23, citing a conflict of interest between her reporting duties for the magazine and her relationship with Jon Gosselin.”
Wow. Just. Wow.
This is an interesting piece on Major Kate. Rehab? Didn’t you think this particular story would be associated with Hailey?
There seem to be rumblings coming from Jon’s camp that Major Kate is NOT the newest Deanna or Hailey. Of course, this runs contrary to what Major Kate is saying. Perhaps we should contact her at her job to find out the truth?
Oh right. There is no “job” to contact her at. Much like her partying buddies, MiLo and JoGo.
Anyone ever consider the fact that this IS the real Jon and that Kate was always trying to make him “Man up” to his responsibilites as a Husband and Father? Think about it: a leopard doesn’t change his spots, just tries to hide them and Jonnyboy did a pretty good job until Kate had enough! You go girl! I will watch because I want to help Kate earn enough money to feed that brood and because I believe that TLC will see the light and dump Jon….I hope the judge in their divorce case see the light too!
Anya, great insight about Jon seeming like he is the uncle and not the father of eight children. Sad.
Did he notice the paparazzi on his kids in NYC while filming? Maybe he could tone his “Jon minus nine” down so that this could die down for their sakes. And can they get a non-filmed break from all this?
Kate definitely looks like the good guy in all this. She’s making the right decisions to bolster her image. I just wish they would giveup the show and have Kate do public speaking. I am guessing there is enough money there to care for these kids until they are out of school, plus more. If there isn’t enough to stop filming the family, then Dad should be careful where he spends his money.
As for Jon’s need to get away from his hectic life, LMAO! The cure for too many paparazzi is not shopping in the Hamptons with other fame whores.
Meanwhile, Kate and the girls look fabulous in pink.
Michael Lohan says Jon and Major Kate stayed at his house-
/2009/07/exclusive-interview-michael-lohan-says-jon-gosselin-and-reporter-slept-his-house”
Hailey says they’re still in love-
Jon says he didn’t have romantic relationship with NewKate-
And , in the better late than never category, Jon has hired a PR firm-
Kiki, Lol…
Jon will keep his PR firm busy.
This story gets more and more pathetic by the day. Jon Gosselin is a joke. He’s an utter fool. It makes me want to write a “Dear Jo(h)n” letter:
Dear Jon,
“DUDE, YOU LOOK LIKE AN IDIOT”!!!!! Get off of your 32 year-old ass and get that job you bitched and whined that you wanted. For someone who said you don’t want fame and attention, you’ve certainly become quite the attention whore. Oh, and you’re a REALLY bad liar. Like really, really bad.
You miss your kids? Aww, how sweet. You know what would be even sweeter? If you spent more than 5 minutes with them. If instead of thinking of more ways to pimp them out , why don’t you, oh I don’t know, be their dad? They are children, you are not a child. You’re not in college either (you never went, remember?). Grow up, get a life and stop posing for pictures with barely pubescent females.
Sincerely,
Reality
Wait, there’s more-
/exclusive-hailey-glassman-heartbroken-over-jon-gosselin% radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/07/
Jon and Hailey have been “fighting a lot lately”. They’ve only been going together “lately”.
Too bad Jon can’t figure out a way to get paid for all the reports about his shenanigans. They’re better than any of the soaps now.
Quote: “Anyone ever consider the fact that this IS the real Jon and that Kate was always trying to make him “Man up” to his responsibilites as a Husband and Father?”
Yes, that’s certainly occurred to me. It puts a different spin on the tight leash Kate seemed to have Jon on at times. I think ultimately though that it’s more that Jon is easily led – first by Kate, and then when Kate’s not around, by his partying buddies and whatever women took Kate’s place. That is not to absolve Jon of responsibility for his actions; on the contrary, I think Jon makes a CHOICE (perhaps not a conscious one) to float along letting others make his decisions for him. I always thought he got just as much out of the dynamic between him and Kate as Kate did. He *wanted* to be the henpecked hubby/9th child, at least about 90% of the time. The other 10% (e.g. Toys R Us), either Kate went too far or he wasn’t in the mood for it for whatever reason. Kate is still responsible for her wrongs, but I never saw Jon as the innocent victim. Why would I? He’s a grown man.
Quote: “Jon and Hailey have been “fighting a lot lately”. They’ve only been going together ‘lately’.”
It’s like speed-dating, except it’s a speed relationship: meet on Monday, Europe on Tuesday, talking to tabloids on Wednesday, fighting a lot on Thursday, uh oh he’s out with another woman on Friday, more talking with the tabs (and taking swipes at his not yet ex-wife) on Saturday, and by Sunday you’re sitting alone in his expensive bachelor pad wondering what went wrong. I hope at least you have pants on this time, Hailey.
Seriously, I think Hailey’s been on the scene for quite a while. I wonder what Deanna thinks of all this?
I feel so sorry for Hailey…okay not really. What did Hailey expect her and Jon were going to live happily ever after in the big bad city. I don’t know what to say about Jon. I can only shake my head.
Ok.. I get it. You are allowed to bash Jon here, but not Kate. Nice double standard you’ve got going.
What has Kate done that you feel the need to Bash her Reggie? I’m all ears!!!
Reggie, why are you so hostile to our posters?
The majority of people here are pretty appalled by Jon’s behavior. This is hardly a unique perspective. That said, we have a variety of perspectives here.
Ann has clearly stated she thinks the show should end. Erin has made her feelings about J&K pretty clear. I don’t see Rhonda on this thread, but she too is no fan of either Jon or Kate. Yes, some of us are sympathetic to Kate. Sue us.
Instead of attacking others, why don’t you try and offer your own perspective? Just a note, many of us aren’t interested in the usual GWoP party line (see off limit topics). Wild speculation (i.e., Kate has a new condo in MD, etc. etc.) is very much appreciated at MANY other Gosselin boards, so you hardly have no other outlet for your views.
That said, please feel free to post your justification for Jon’s selfish and extremely erratic behavior. Something tells me, however, that we will get a post from you about how Kate is much much worse……….
I also think that this is how he’s always been. I think that J likes it when others “control” him. He gets to others to carry the responsibility and then he gets to blame them when things go wrong or when he tires.
If you are dominant like K you need to have someone to control. If you are passive like J you need some to dominate. I think that it is both of them who bear responsibility for the problems in the marriage. However, I think that J’s public dating is very premature and hurtful to his family.
There is no justification for Jon. None whatsoever. He is lazy and wants to make money off of the kids just as long as he can. Easy money. That’s Jon in a nutshell. He is a wimp. If he can find easy money some other way, then that will suit him just as well. Doesn’t matter to him.
But there is no justification for Kate, either. What was wrong with only doing a couple of shows a year? Or even 3-4? This would supplement their income nicely. But Kate wants more and more and more. Nothing will ever be enough for her. What these children need is their privacy.
The children are living in a production studio with the parents rotating in and out of it at their convenience. It’s wrong on so many levels. This show needs to end now. Right now. And I don’t understand how any of you can still watch it and not see the horror I see.
Get involved and help stop the exploitaion of these children. That photo shoot the other day didn’t end until after 9:00 pm. It was a nine hour day for those kids. And with parents who each fled to their dressing rooms and left the kids on the stage.
I don’t care about Hailey, Deanna, or even Jon or Kate. I just want those kids off of a show that has no laws in place to protect them. That’s it. Rant over.
How many kids do you have Reggie? How do you think that Kate as a nurse, and Jon, as an IT “specialsit” (whatever the hell he is) could afford to feed, clothe, educate, medicate, and just in general, provide for 8 children for at least 18 years? TLC offered them an opportunity to live a decent and relatively well provided lifestyle, and put those 8 kids through college, should they be sufficiently ambitious and intelligent. Can you guess the amount of 8 college tuitions 10 years from now? And here is JON, wanting his “freedom”, necessitating the need for maintaining not 2, but THREE separate residences. It may not have been in anyone’s best interest to create so many offspring, but they are here, and they must be provided for. I suppose they could have scraped by on charity, government assistance, and doing without many things that most families take for granted…is that what you would choose for your family if you had a choice? Don’t talk about exploitation…
Quote: “But Kate wants more and more and more. Nothing will ever be enough for her.”
How can you presume to know what’s going on in Kate’s mind? You don’t know her.
Quote: “And with parents who each fled to their dressing rooms and left the kids on the stage. ”
Again, what is this statement based on? If you’re talking about the photo shoot that also involved the Duggar family, I don’t believe Jon was even present. Since the Duggars were present, can I assume that you are equally horrified by their show and their exploitation of their children? How about the Masches? I have enjoyed watching their show for the past several months, but in every episode I note details and behaviors that the Gosselins have been vilified for (nude toddlers: check, potentially embarrassing discussions of toddler’s bowel movements: check, apparent freebies: check, and so on).
It’s not about being “allowed” to bash Jon but not Kate. It’s about posting in response to an article that is all about Jon’s rather appalling behavior (did you even read it?) and using it as an opportunity to slam Kate and repeat baseless rumors about her (because I guess there’s just nowhere else on the internet that you can do that), and then lecturing us about our double standard. Seriously, I have no problem with discussing genuine concerns about the show or either Gosselin parent. But if I wanted GWOP-style Kate-bashing and mud-slinging, well, I’d go to GWOP.
The only reason that Jon is even being “bashed” is because he is behaving so horribly. If Kate were making a fool of herself the way that Jon is making a fool of himself, I think you’d see a lot more criticism of her, even here. I just can’t work up that much venom about her putting the girls in tights, but that’s just me.
Nice going Jennie, I totally agree! I think reggie is aka Jodi & Kevin in disguise….you know the “loving” brother of Kate and his adoring wife…say what you will Reggie but the double standard in the good old USA lies within the male population: give the boys a pass and blame the “domineering wife”…you know shes the one NOT hanging out with druggies and sleeping with anything wearing pants. Yep Kate is the problem, NOT! Oh and let us not forget: she is also the one with the education and the paycheck, that by the way she had long before the show…or did you forget that Kate is also a neo-natal nurse? Jon? He is just a leach but Reggie will never agree…he subscribes to the “double standard” rule!
LOL Erin I love your letter. I am tearing up I am laughing so hard! LOVE IT!
GREM great points! I agree!
It is just another sad chap. to this saga with him. He likes to blame Kate for being controlled. Believe you me that is what a LOT of passive agressive types do a good job in making people believe about them. It is just crap. Jon knew what he was getting into when he married Kate. She is what she is. He was the one hiding part of his true self. Now to see that the reporter was forced to resign or be fired because of her relationship with him??? Jeeez oh man what will he come up with next???? So much for the i dont like to be in the limelight man! Another LIE by Jon trying to make it look like Kate forced hm to do the show! Like I said passive agressive.
Man alove i would spray them man down with Lysol before he touches the kids so he doesnt give them anything from all of these ahhem activities!
just another not so humble opinion from moi
AMEN lisa and Jennie!
Reggie you really need to find a different site. LOL You just do not belong here.
LOL
Just reading more Jon & his gf stuff and a thought came to my mind: who the hell does Jon think he is? David Beckham? The guy has nothing going for him except for “his” 8 kids….and he can’t even find time to spend with them! Too many trees have died so that the tabs can print this junk on him and his gf! I swear, hard as I try, I cannot see what Kate ever saw in that jerk! Just my humble opinion! Thanks for letting me vent here on your fab site!
Joy, love the smiley how did you get it on there?
I’ll be the first one to admit that Kate gets on my last good nerve. Having said that, there is nothing she has done on camera, or I can think of that she could have done off camera, that could justify Jon acting like the jackass he apparently is.
Why is it always Kate who “wants more and more and more”? Jon is equally responsible for the kids, he had to sign off on all of it, including the “creation” of twins and sextuplets. He has said that he wants out of the show, but has never said he thinks it is bad for his children.
And, as many have said, he is the one responsible for the huge storm of publicity that has hit the family. After those first photos with the girls in the bar, and all the attention that came from them, did he try to stay out of trouble, so it would die down? No, he’s on the third “girl he’s linked to” since, what, April or May?
I, and probably most of the people here, am very surprised at the way he’s acting. I never would have expected this behavior from him. I don’t care how much “abuse” he took during his marriage, there is no way to justify his actions now. It can’t be blamed on editing or “we don’t know what really happened”. He has known for months that everything he does will be splashed on the news stand and tv for his kids to see, if not now, then in the near future. He isn’t trying to protect them at all.
Lol, jennie, yeah I guess he’ll have to have a lot of “speed relationships” to make up for all the time stolen from him by Kate and his beautiful family.
That’s it exactly Kiki! I don’t care if Kate was the horrible evil ruler of their universe, she has been made out to be. He is a grown man. If he really loved those children, more than he loves himself, he would have found a better way to deal with his unhappiness. A way that would have shielded them from more pain. I hope the kids do have trust funds set up for them. Although, I can see him hitting them up for funds when he is old and has run through his money and his 15 minutes of fame.
Hello All, I am a long time lurker if this site and the previous site, and I have never been compelled to post until now. I do enjoy reading your comments because they offer a different discussion from other sites.
However, from an outside prospective, this site does indeed seem to vilify those who have a strong dislike for Kate. I don’t think that any opinion is right or wrong, but often, the anti-Kate folks are bullied and labeled as Kate Slammers and “Gwoppers”. What does that even mean? And, I can assure you that I am not Jodi or Kevin of any other relative of that family.
I totally agree with the “hardly unique perspective” that Jon’s behavior is appalling. He is causing a publicity nightmare for himself, and I think he will seriously regret his actions.
I don’t care if people are sympathetic to Kate. That’s awesome. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. My dislike of Kate does not stem from “baseless rumors”. Believe me, I can back this up with plenty of actual evidence. There are countless accounts of Kate’s behavior that many people deem just as (if not more) appalling, and all of this is caught on video tape. I do think she has been smart to lay low these days, but this does not give her a pass for her previous actions.
The whole situation is just very sad, and I think they are both equally disgusting people. I think that the media attention would be far less if they had kept their separation / divorce OFF national television. But, as we all know, Drama=High Ratings=$$$$. This circus is a direct result of their desire for fame and money. Once you cross that line, you are not longer a nice reality family. You are fame seekers… No better than Speidi or Paris Hilton. They need to get the children off the air like yesterday. Period.
In closing, I don’t mean to offend anyone, but I do understand where Reggie is coming from. I am not trying to lecture. Once again, all of this is just my humble opinion.
I just saw the teaser for the OPRAH show today (Friday) at 4 p.m and she is having the Gosselins on. I am not sure when it was taped but is is dated 2009. RUBY, The Duggars and a few others are slotted to be on as well.
GREM: I use this ; and this ) for the wink/smile
I use : plus ) for the smile
I use this : and this ( for a frown
Also you can use this : and LOL and : at the end for a laugh face
There are a few more as well. I hope that helps
I am the first to admit that Kate has some issues. If we are honest we ALL do to some degree or another. That is called being human. Yes she has ocd, yes having to handle that many children & a less than steller husband has given her some control issues, and no she is not a soft spoken gentle human. However She has not really done anything that can equal Jon’s. Her behavior has not been anywhere as near as appaling as Jon’s has been. I find it interesting that we all like to nail strong women to the wall like they are the the anti-christ. She has children in show biz. So do a TON of other families. Does she need to take it back a notch? Yes. Does she need to cut back a little YES. But why is Mary Kate and Ashley Oleson, Mellissa Gilbert, Kirk Cameron, Lisa Whelchel, (Gosh i am dating myself LOL) so cute and their parents okay but not Kate?????? Have you seen the work schedules of child stars? This is why they homeschool or have a tutor. Do I think it should be this out of control? No I think Kate needs to tone down the hours a bit. Nothing that has happened in the relationship can ever justify Jon’s abandoning, emotionally neglecting , and not getting a job to provide for his children. All he seems to do well is sleep with a ton of stupid emotionally insecure women, go on trips without the kids, spend money, drink, smoke …………
I like Kate. She is an imperfect, outspoken, take me as you see me woman. I will even admit I am a tad like that. As you can see from my writing I am ever so humble as well. ! LOL NOT! LOL
Jon is acting like a spoiled boy for not getting what he wanted from his marriage and is acting out yet Kate is a fame whore when she’s taking the high road and not saying anything but only living her life with her children. Action’s speak louder than words and Kate is acting like the more mature parent right now.
So they are still involved with the reality show which to me is their job. It may not be a job people agree with but it’s a job which pays them big bucks which will pay for private school’s, doctor bills, dentist bills, etc. Like Joy said ” She is an imperfect, outspoken, take me as you see me woman.”
I believe in fair and if Kate decides to be a bitch and start bashing Jon then I’ll think something different of her and I mean by Kate saying something by meaning it came from her then using unnamed sources of what Kate might of said.
Angela, thank you for your perspective.
If I have been guilty of “vilying” anyone, I apologize. Emotions seem to run high with the Gosselins, don’t they? I still haven’t quite figured out the reasons for this, but I think it has something to do with our initial introduction to them as a “regular family” albeit with 8 kids. People seem to feel a connection to them that one doesn’t feel with genuine celebrities. That feeling of connection apparently brings out both strongly positive and strongly negative emotions.
I disagree with your assertion that J&K are “disgusting people.” Flawed people, yes. I have mixed feelings about the following parts of your argument, but please understand that the majority of people who have been labeled “defenders”(aka sheeple)*do* have concerns about the children being embroiled in a media circus and/or the effects of continued filming. Speaking for myself, however, while I may not agree with all the decisions of J&K, I still support *their right* to make decisions for their family. That has been my basic thesis since the beginning, and I while I have changed my mind about other things, I haven’t really budged on that point.
I hope my rant doesn’t sound like a lecture either!
Thanks for posting.
Joy.. All of the people you mentioned were actors and belonged to a union. A portion of their income was set aside in special accounts for them. The Gosselin children have no such protection. And, I don’t belong here and should go to another site because I disagree with you? Why? Not up for a debate?
And Kiki, I’m not surprised by Jon’s actions at all. I don’t think he is very bright.
And Jennie.. How can I presume to know what’s going on in Kate’s mind? Because I am an identical triplet who was paraded like a circus animal by a narcissistic mother who was just like Kate. I know Kate very well. I know her caustic and demeaning remarks and I can feel the sting of her temper. Yes, Jon was at the shoot and he ignored the kids just as much as Kate did. Jon entered through the back door where there were no cameras waiting. Why didn’t Kate?
Kate was not a neonatal nurse. She attended a two year degree program and worked in the labor and delivery floor. They couldn’t afford the two children they already had so don’t ask me to cry a river for them because they wanted “just one more.” She hyperstimulated her ovaries to the point of being hospitalized, was advised against insemination, and had sex against doctor advise. Her original doctor wouldn’t prescribe for her, by the way, so she found a second who would.
Did you know that Alexis is also the name of the first McCaughey septuplet to be born, and that Joel is the name of the last? Go figure.
Yep.. I know Kate inside and out and I know what she is doing to her children from first hand experience. My father left, too. He had to in order to survive, and we begged him to take us with him.
Quit supporting Kate and begin supporting the children before it is too late for them. It’s too late for one of my sisters as she killed herself when she was 17. These children need to be off of this show and they need therapy now.
I’ve had my say and I won’t be back. If you are not intelligent enough to see the damage she is inflicting on these children then I’m not going to waste my energy on you any longer. I am a therapist for emotionally and physically abused children and I have done my research on Katie Irene Kreider Gosselin. I know her.
Reggie,
It is my understanding that Kate graduated from a 3 year diploma program.
Someone drank the over dramatizing cool-aide this morning. I too had a mother similar to Kate Gosselin and I would have to admit it was not a great childhood with pain and a lot of anger but as an adult with a lot of therapy I realized I had choices, choices on how I want to live my life. Does that mean I have to attack every other mother out in this world who is a lot like my mother?, no. Life isn’t all black and white and just because you have a mother similar to Kate Gosselin doesn’t mean in adulthood you’re going to be damaged goods and can’t live a happy fulfilled life. I read all too well on the affects of emotionally abused children because I was one. I’ve also done the research and realized the only control you have are the choices you make.
Anya, I have been over here to read several times and never got to leave a comment. I love your post. That was great.
As for those HeroBuilder dolls I had never heard of them before I saw those J&K ones. I had no idea they made other dolls. Since J&K are not really public figures, it seems that would have to have rights to market something like that, but I have no idea.
Hi Wendy, nice to see you and read your posts again. Ita w/your opinion on Jon. I keep wondering what is keeping him from his children? I just read on Radar that he is still in the Hamptons w/Kate2. I also read from his “source” which keeps popping up that Jon misses his kids. I wonder if this is the same “source” who said J&K were already separated and Jon wasn’t romantic with Kate2. The last one seemed like an attempt to keep Hailey as well as Kate2. (I don’t like calling her that, but I can’t think of anything else).
Why doesn’t he go visit his children? I’m very curious. He’s only been around them one or two days (per the media I have been watching) since he got home from France. I read Jon hired an expensive PR firm (I’m not familiar). At this time, who would believe anything w/the twists he has already pulled?
Erin, liked your letter too.
Oh, not the evil Kate had sex against doctor’s orders yada yada STUPIDEST THEORY ON EARTH. Sorry, reggie. I have voiced my disdain for that idea many times.
Your imagination does not count as a reliable source. Samnc
Like Joy said ” She is an imperfect, outspoken, take me as you see me woman.”
That’s a nice take.
I like that.
Soly, you asked on another thread if we would be watching. I never got to answer. I will be. I don’t want to miss it and it’s Jon’s behavior keeping me interested. I have read in several places a few saying they won’t watch if Jon is on. I found that interesting.
Joy, Oprah is a rerun.
Quote: “However, from an outside prospective, this site does indeed seem to vilify those who have a strong dislike for Kate. I don’t think that any opinion is right or wrong, but often, the anti-Kate folks are bullied and labeled as Kate Slammers and “Gwoppers”. What does that even mean? And, I can assure you that I am not Jodi or Kevin of any other relative of that family.”
Welcome, Angela! I think it’s important to differentiate between what “this site” – which I take to mean the content of the articles – does and what individual posters might do (or rather say). I certainly don’t think our articles vilify anyone, though they may criticize people (like Jon). We don’t have control over what posters write unless we feel that they’ve gone over the line, in which case we can delete their comments. But we prefer not to do that whenever possible.
I think sometimes the sense of bullying comes from being in the minority opinion. If you say “x” and ten people come back disagreeing with you, you may feel bullied. But that may not be the intention. For myself, if other people have already said what I want to say, I try not to pile on.
I do use “GWoPper” as shorthand and maybe I assume that most people who’ve been around long enough DO know what that means. It doesn’t=dislikes Kate. It’s more like=appears to hate Kate, throws around words like “narcissism”, bring up unsubstantianted rumors that make Kate look bad, always has to get in a slam at Kate no matter what the subject of the article they are responding to, is passive-aggressive and hostile to opposing viewpoints (telling posters that they are child exploiters, for instance). There are a lot of other behaviors I consider GWoPperish. It relates back to a sort of groupthink that I think goes on over there.
I for one would NEVER accuse any poster of being Jodi, Kevin, Kate, Jon, or anyone actually related to the Gosselin drama. I find it obnoxious when people do that – the subtext is, “you can’t possibly hold that opinion unless you ARE so-and-so, because so-and-so has no supporters.
Quote: “I don’t care if people are sympathetic to Kate. That’s awesome. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. My dislike of Kate does not stem from “baseless rumors”.”
Well, to be fair, I didn’t say it did. That was a reference to another post, that was removed. I certainly don’t think that all people who dislike Kate do so because they believe wild rumors. I’m well aware that Kate gives people enough ammunition on her own to dislike her. My issue is with those who hate her, harrass her, lie about her or are IMO excessively unfair – not just plain old-fashioned dislike.
Again, welcome, and please don’t be a stranger!
Anya and Jennie, Thanks for your replies to my post. I am happy to know that minority opinions are welcome here.
If you will refer to the book Multiple Blessings, you will find that Kate was already pregnant with the sextuplets when she was hospitalized with hyperstimulated ovaries. This is medically possible, and continues to be something that people who dislike Kate continue to bring up, incorrectly.
I continue to be shocked by Jon’s behavior, and am disappointed in him. I still do feel that, until recently, Jon was an active and attentive father. I think he is so clouded by poor judgment, and immature feelings, that he is “cutting his nose off to spite his face,” so to speak. Deep down, I think that Jon will probably get over this rebellious garbage he is spewing and will be very sorry, and embarrassed, by his behavior. However, the damage he is leaving in his wake is yet to be seen. I still find myself, almost on a daily basis, thinking “Jon, what are you thinking?”
I feel sorry for Kate that all this has happened to her. No one deserves to be cheated on, hurt, or treated in this poor manner. Kate is certainly coming off as the bigger person in this scenario because of her choice to lay low. I’m sure that marriage to her was no walk in the park, and second other’s thoughts that Jon was looking for someone to tell him what to do, and Kate fit that need well. I still don’t agree with many of her choices, and was not happy with her choice to go cry to People magazine and start talking about their marriage publicly. Thankfully, they both agreed to stop talking about one another for a short period of time. I am not looking forward to when that time period passes.
The Gosselin blog world is extremely active and dramatic. I was a regular poster, for a while, at GDNNOP, until things became too heated for me. I have continued to read there, and followed here. After time, I slowly started to post here, and enjoyed it. However, some of the comments that are directed at people are, in my opinion, rather aggressive in nature. I found myself feeling as if I was treated poorly, when in fact I am not a fan of Jon, Kate, or the show. Despite the fact that I was trying to express my opinions in a clearly written, (semi) neutral manner, I was responded to as if I was some foolish poster that didn’t have a clue what I was talking about. This is in no way a reflection on the moderators of this website, or the website goal overall. You can’t control the posts people submit without the website becoming rigid and inflexible. I also went back to reread what I had said, and tried to evaluate if I was being too sensitive in how I was interpreting what people were responding to me.
It’s very difficult to gauge the tone and meaning in writing at times. I hate to see this website become a place with bickering among posters, or posters leaving because they are uncomfortable posting here any longer. Hopefully we can all be more cognizant of the words we are typing, how they can be interpreted, and how we are responding to them.
Overall, this is a family that none of us personally know. It’s a tragically sad situation to watch, and brings out great emotion in all of us. I hope we can all, myself included, take the high road when expressing differing opinions online.
Amanda,
You rock!
I LOVE and TOTALLY AGREE with every word you’ve written. I even LOVE your post script and mild annoyance about the book title not being underlined. I don’t really mind it; it’s just a pet peeve when it’s in my own comments, lol!
It is hard to keep a thread calm where there are passionate feelings. It is also discouraging to be called and exploiter or clueless when you state something you truly believe. I like this blog’s tone, too. There is really no mission statement besides “imperfections are welcome” and that holds for the Gosselins as well as the posters here. We all deserve respect.
I’ve never been a huge Kate fan, but I do feel she is trying to weather her troubles with some dignity. I also think Jon is acting foolish and will regret this period of his life someday, but he’s been a good father in the past and I expect he may be soon enough again.
Sorry, I went in and deleted the post script because I was able to insert the paragraphs. I have had quite a time myself with the paragraph thing. LOL
Just wanted to let everyone know that for some reason in Firefox you must hit enter twice to form a paragraph. I do not believe it is that way in Internet Explorer. Now I just underlined IE to see if I can get that to work. We have been having problems with our toolbar but we will get it all worked out.
Thank you for fixing that for me, Pam! I’m going to test it out now.
Woo!
Great Dear Jon letter Erin!
Jennie, Joy, and Lisa, so right on.
Amanda, you’re right Jon is cutting his nose off to spite his face. I see these old episodes and how he was a good father, and see it now with him jet-setting with a gal on his arm and I think he’s going to feel so sad when he realizes how much he’s missing of the kids growing up. And, you’re right about Kate. She doesn’t deserve to be cheated on, hurt, or treated in the poor manner that has and is happening.
Ann, I think Kate is trying to weather this with as much dignity, too. I can see why she’s been frustrated if the Jon we’re seeing now is what was behind closed doors all along. She’s got her hands full with 8 kids. She doesn’t need a 9th with an identity crisis, who she did try to help. Jon is being reckless and I think her strength comes from protecting her children. She has to be both parents because one checked out.
Reggie, I am sorry to hear about your sister. You seemed like you had a rough life. Maybe it was because of your mother, I don’t know. From your writing, I’d have to say it was…or maybe you’re just blaming her for everything. Don’t know because I didn’t experience your life. I just hope you find a peace now and can forgive your mom in time.
However, a lot of your post, and probably beliefs on the Gosselins and your dislike of Kate, stems from an equation to your childhood and conspiracy theories we have all read on other Gosselin blogs. Really, how ludicrous to relate the names of the McCaughey septuplets to the Gosselins. So, what there are a couple of names the same? What does that prove? Nothing.
And, just because you had a rough life, doesn’t mean the Gosselins will or do. Everyone is different. Situations and life is not A or B and that’s all. As Jennie said Kate gives enough ammunition for people to not like her, but to not like her because you had a tough childhood, that’s not fair to Kate (not that you have to be). It’s just seeing a lot of anger in your post and relating that to the Gosselin kids and their mom. Totally different situations becuase they are a totally different family than yours.
I just hope you get some peace Reggie.
Quote: “Kate is certainly coming off as the bigger person in this scenario because of her choice to lay low. I’m sure that marriage to her was no walk in the park, and second other’s thoughts that Jon was looking for someone to tell him what to do, and Kate fit that need well. I still don’t agree with many of her choices, and was not happy with her choice to go cry to People magazine and start talking about their marriage publicly.”
I agree. I think Kate at first thought she could control the situation and the media attention by talking to “her” media outlet, People. I didn’t judge her too harshly for the things she said at the time because she’s pretty honest in her evaluations of others (sometimes of herself as well, though not always). I mean, she’ll talk about Mady’s issues or whatever, and some people are appalled but I see it as a sort of consistent honesty and lack of shame. She’s chosen to let it all hang out and I understand people judging that, but it seems silly to judge every single instance.
So, as I was saying, I think between her control-freak tendencies and her brutal honesty about Jon’s “issues”, Kate did turn some people off by talking to the magazine. I think laying low has worked out well for her and it may be a good idea to keep it up.
Amanda, I’m sorry that you have felt at times that posters have been rude or aggressive towards you. The Gosselins do seem to be a hot-button subject for a lot of us, and I know I’ve sometimes been bitchy when I felt that a poster was being disingenuous or passive-aggressive. I can handle straightforward rudeness better than game-playing. But it’s always good to think twice before hitting “submit comment”. I’m sincere in wanting this to be a place where all viewpoints are welcome, and I know that the other mods are as well.
Amanda, great to see you back girl! You have been missed.
Ann, I echo your words about Jon. Jon’s behavior has been foolish and juvenile lately, but it doesn’t negate that he loves his children and they love him. He also has some fine qualities as a parent, from what I have seen.
Hopefully, sooner rather than later, he will find a way to move forward in a dignified way. I’ll be pulling for him.
Reggie Reggie Reggie
I am so sorry for you. I am sorry that you had such a horrible childhood. I am sorry that being a triplet has caused you so much pain. I am sorry that you (from your perspective) were raised by such a horrid woman. I am sorry that your father chose to leave his children behind. I am so sorry that your sister died. I will pray for you and truly hope that you heal and find peace one day.
That being said. None of this gives you any insight to Kate, her mind, her thought process, the reason in her heart that she does or says things etc…… You really have no right making a villian out of someone just because you have a few things in common with them or that you see a personality trait that you say matches your mother. Your being a triplet gives you insight to being a triplet and NOT the mother of 8 children.
Kate has a 3 year degree and worked in many different areas in the hospital.
Yes those children belonged to a union. Yes money is set aside for them by law. This is a reality TV show where the family as a whole are the stars . Not even Calf. unions have provisions for this yet. Look up the union law Reggie and you will see that I am correct. Reality TV with whole families is a new conceot not yet addressed in child labor laws anywhere. Look it up.
Who cares where in the heck they got their names??? LOL that is such a stretch. I dont care if they got it off of the Kellogs Corn Flake box. It is their children. I think some people like Jodie and Reggie think otherwise.
If you feel so strongly about this issue Reggie go to congress and change the laws. Set up support groups for children that are multiples. Become an advocate to change child labor laws where you live. Then maybe you will feel better? I hope so you sound like you have had a very hard life and truly I am sorry for you and hope that you can find peace and healing.
As always a not so humble opinion from a very imperfect woman who adores her husband and four children even if I am not a perfect wife and mom.
Thanks for the laugh Joy…Kellogg’s cereal! All I can think of now is if I had triplets naming them Snap, Crackle, and Pop!
Ditto here Joy! Also for Reggie: I love this blog because it is called Imperfect Women and that is what we all are no matter how perfect we try to be. There are plenty of blogs that are strictly for trashing Kate and, thankfully, this is not one of them. Say what you will but I truly believe that no matter how imperfect Kate is, she tries to do the best she can and she has common sense which is more than I can say for Jon. His own words in the videos he made for TLC are what I base my opinions on. Not rag papers. He said he made poor choices and HE said he did not want his kids to google him one day and see his bad choices….and he said he was sick and tired of all the publicity. Yet his actions are so different from his words! you know what they say: actions speak louder than words! Reggie if you truly are a therapist then you know better than to say what you said about either party. Yes I am sorry you had a horrible childhood, so did I….and maybe Kate did too and that is why she wants so much for her kids! Just my humble opinion….I don’t deny you the right to speak yours, that is what this is all about. But do not try to hide the truth, please, thanks!
(hope this smiley works thanks for the help Joy 
well, i must say that, after having been to and read (and trying to post a few replies) that this site is way more accepting of diverse opinions than gwop. i even emailed a moderator asking why some of my replies aren’t posting. no real answers and they still aren’t posting them…and i know it’s because they aren’t negative towards kate…just neutral or asking for understanding instead of bashing.
here we can say our opinions whether they be for/against either gosselin. it’s not one-sided…and at least there is the mind-set here that not everything we read is true.
Look I am NO Kate fan by any means. I have said plenty about her to the point where I dont have much left to say. I think (and others may disagree with me) that those kids got the losing number in the parent lottery.
That being said, at the very least, Kate has the intelligence to lay low. I think if we took a poll of most Americans familiar with the story, they’d say that Kate is behaving as the more responsible adult.
That makes it SAD…..I also work with children and adolescents and I’d have to say that if I were doing a child custody eval…I’d most certainly not recommend the children be with Jon. He is too erratic. At the rate he’s going, I might even mandate supervised visitation. This guy has lost it and Kate isn’t to blame for the choices he makes every single day. You can only play that card for so long.
Kate is a bitch, for certain. Kate did a lot of wrong. It’s Jon, however, that can’t keep it in his pants and is parading around the tabloids like a rebellious child star.
I think Reggie is a little behind. She must be reading the GWoP archives for her talking points. Case in point, the use of “Katie Irene,” and “exploiting the chilrun,” which is so last year when it comes to the warfare tactics of the “advocates.”
“My father left, too. He had to in order to survive, and we begged him to take us with him.” GASP! Really? Divorce!? That’s SO RARE nowadays. Oh, wait…..no, it’s not.
Guess what? My father left too, and I haven’t seen him for 30 years. But, evidently, the mother of my half-sister (who I’ve also never met) is even younger than me, so I think I have experience when it comes to deadbeat fathers with Peter Pan Syndrome. Just because your family situation turned out tragically, doesn’t mean everyone’s will. My mother was a classic narcissistic abuser who makes Kate look like June Cleaver. I’ve never needed therapy. Not everyone automatically does.
“I’ve had my say and I won’t be back. ” WHOOO! High five!
“If you are not intelligent enough to see the damage she is inflicting on these children….” Once again, insulting the intelligence and talking down to those who don’t agree with your point of view is SOOO last year in Advocate Fantasyland. You may want to check your bookmarks and click on the LATEST version of GWoP, and not the crap they were spewing two years ago. You’re giving us more reruns than an average programming day on TLC.
LOL
MCB AMEN
Thank you!
& ditto
MCB I am still lol over your post! I too say AMEN to that! I love this site for all the reasons everyone else does: we can share our opinions without making each other mad…it is almost like having coffee at the kitchen table with all your friends!
(am I getting greedy now?)
FYI: I just saw the following in the news today: Octuplet mother Nadya Suleman has signed agreements for each of her 14 children to earn $250 a day to star in a reality television show.
Maybe Reggie should start a blog, if there isn’t one already, and save these poor kids from this really (IMHO) sick mom! This is one show that I will NOT be watching!
Joy thanks again for the info on the smileys…now how do I make them move like yours does? lol
Wow, a little late in the game here… I just felt like saying something.
Reggie, I’m sorry about your background. Certainly not an easy thing to go through and it seems like you are still working many of those issues out withing yourself.
That said, being a mental health professional myself, I’m turned off by the easy with which you project your particular situation to a person whom I assume, you have never met or worked with in person. (If you do know Kate personally, then I guess this doesn’t apply) As a therapist one knows that even when people are telling you something its always ascribed to a particular context and one cannot generalize the complexity of those human experiences. While your life situation may have driven you to help those who were not as fortunate as yourself (being able to get an education and thus helping others) I think it’s important to sort oneself out in order to help others without one’s own experience in their particular context blinds them to those of others.
As a responsible therapist I like to think I work first with those who want the help, then work with what they bring and that which is evident to me at that given moment. And while I’ve been confronted with cases which have a deep resonance with painful experiences in my own life, I”m careful not to assume that my experience is the same as that of another. My pain was my pain and I dealt with it my way. The pains of others are theirs to be dealt in their own way. So your assertion that you “know” Kate, when it is possible that you’ve never met her, I find quite troubling. But that is neither here nor there.
I wish you luck on your journey.
Somehow, I doubt Nadya Suleman will have the fame and following that she so obviously craves. Initially, some will watch for the trainwreck aspect of it, but the circumstances of her life and the way she (and her whacko doc) actually courted fame by purposely implanting eight embryos all while being an unemployed single parent living off the government id NOT something people want to support.
But WAIT…..where are the “advocates?” Suleman has FOURTEEN little money making machines that she’s setting out to “exploit!” Maybe if she had a catchy middle name to go with “Nadya,” like oh, I dunno…..Nadya Irene?
MCB you are a hoot, lol My point exactly!
How about a “Nadya without Pity” site? Oh let us not forget to notify Jodi & Kevin, they haven’t had much to say lately now that their boy Jon has gone off the deep end. But I bet the “A minor consideration” group (at least they say they are a group) is hot on Nadya’s trail.. and of course the group (I use that term loosly) “Truth Breeds Hatred”?? Will we be seeing what she spends “her” money on? An apartment in New York maybe? But wait, she doesn’t have another parent to leave them with while she galavants around the world with her bf…oh well 
I hope this works
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Thanks Joy…I will try it right here
You are so nice to teach me all this stuff!
YAY it works!!!
Any time GREM
I am new to these little icons myself.
I was just on the web and saw a site about kate finally taking off her rings. Here is the http
Here is another site where jon is trying to say that he has no relationship with the star magazine reporter. LOL comical how far he will go in his lies!
If you cant click right on these just cuts and paste them.
have a wonderful day all!
Soly, I really appreciated reading your perspective.
Very well said. Thanks.
Thanks again Joy…I’m gonna try the mad one now…but I am not mad, yet..:lol: Here goes:
YAY It worked! Now as for the article about Kate removing her ring, I saw it and hope she pawns it
From the Radaronline article about Hailey’s heartbreak: “Hailey also feels like she made Jon chic. He dressed a lot more ‘dorky’ before her. She feels she helped him gain some style, and the attention he got from it went to his head.”
Ha ha.
From the Radaronline article about Hailey’s heartbreak: “Hailey also feels like she made Jon chic. He dressed a lot more ‘dorky’ before her. She feels she helped him gain some style, and the attention he got from it went to his head.”
It wasn’t positive attention he got for his new look. Though I guess this means he didn’t lie when he told Audigiere’s peope that he was bringing his “stylist” to St. Tropez.
From the Radaronline article about Hailey’s heartbreak: “Hailey also feels like she made Jon chic. He dressed a lot more ‘dorky’ before her. She feels she helped him gain some style, and the attention he got from it went to his head.”
It wasn’t positive attention he got for his new look. Though I guess this means he didn’t lie when he told Audigiere’s people that he was bringing his “stylist” to St. Tropez.
I noticed in one of the pictures I saw of Kate that she was wearing her ring again (or, a ring on her left ring finger). She was wearing running clothes and taking out the trash.
I also noticed today on a commercial on TV that there is, indeed, a fence around the pool in their backyard. I guess some people can stop stressing about that now.
Here’s a new one from JJ: Jon recently set the record straight that he’s single and ready to mingle. He also tells E!, “I care about Kate Major, she resigned from her job for me. Right now, my focus is on my relationship with my kids. My personal relationship is private.” Private? Ready to “mingle”? You got to be kidding me Jonboy!
I am wondering how he can be focused on his kids when he is in France, the Hamptons, New York…everywhere but Penn! I am still looking for the presents he bought NOT for the kids on his many, many trips….I think Jon’s new PR firm has told him to knock it off and also dress more like a father and less like a druggie or he will lose in court, divorce court that is, IMHO he has already lost in the court of public opinion! This is the real Jon that they kept editing out on TLC. Daddy dearest 
The latest on Jon is ridiculous. Come on, he’s the better parent? I thought they had both agreed not to talk to the media for 45 days. Jon just went to People two or three weeks ago, after the 45 day announcement. I fail to see how Kate is the bad one here. She is no saint, don’t get me wrong, but this crap with Jon goes above and beyond. I know a lot of people blame Kate for everything because she “tricked” Jon into getting pregnant while her ovaries were over stimulated (which is a lie, she was already pregnant by then), or because she belittled Jon, or physically abused him (I would hardly call that physical abuse). What it boils down to, though, is choices. He chose Kate. He married Kate. He went along with her desire to have babies (the first time). He surfed the net at work causing him to get fired. He chose to do the show. The list goes on and on and on.
We probably won’t ever know for sure who is responsible for the breakup of the marriage. It was probably both of them. Jon has made some stupid choices lately–blabbing to the press, dating a drug addict more than ten years his junior, dating a tabloid reporter, hanging out with Lohan– these are all choices he made not unconscious decisions because of PTSD or similar. They are choices, and dirtbag choices at that.
Note to Jon:
Stop talking to the press. Enough already! This time should truly be about your kids, not you. There is plenty of time in the future to be single. But I guess maybe you feel like you need to take advantage of your ’15 minutes’. Ugh.
I agree Jon should zip it. None of his statements have done anything other than confuse things and make us wonder where his head is at. He certainly hasn’t clarified anything.
I cannot think of a single worse influence than Michael Lohan. If I were a family member of Jon’s, I would fly down to the Hamptons and insist he come back home pronto.
Yes, Erin Kate, I agree. Each of us as adults is ultimately responsible for own choices.
Maybe when Kate was yelling at Jon in the store it was really because of instead of paying attention to his kids but he was trying to pick up a gf…..this is not behavior that was “born Yesterday”…this guy was a creep from the git go! I agree Anya: If this were my son I would be all over him in a second, he would not behave this way and get away with it…IMHO. Kate and I have a lot in common: we both expect people to act their age. I used to tell my children (when they were young) and I tell my grandchildren now that they “are ambassadors of their family and how they behave in public is a reflection on their family as a whole”…makes me wonder what values, if any, Jon had growing up…of I forgot, he hasn’t grown up!
“are ambassadors of their family and how they behave in public is a reflection on their family as a whole”
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Rosie, that is an analogy I’ve always used at work. But, I like it best when applied to family. (don’t know why I never thought of using it in regards to the family unit).
Thanks for the idea. I’m going to start using it on my kids.
Thanks for your compliment Theresa…imagine a world if everyone thought like that! But remember, with kids at least, you have to keep reminding them everytime they go out. It gets on their nerves (especially when they are teens) but it works, at least I think it does!
I saw this today and again, think Jon is being a sleaze. He’s been nothing but a crazy press hound since this the divorce was filed. There has been nothing subtle about his actions. I really don’t even want to think what else he could have done to bring more attention to himself and the rest of his family. All of his “sources” who spoke and switched stories on behalf. The smokin in the yard, the ring, the trip, the people he’s hanging with?? He’s doing so much stuff, that I had even forgotten about the ring, as if the trip in itself w/who she was wasn’t bad.
This irked me. It’s a quote by Lohan in regards to the child support payments he owes and is in collections. I read it as he’s trying to insinuate Kate is keeping Jon from the children. I believe that only thing keeping Jon from his kids is Jon or possibly something w/their court proceedings that would have to do w/Jon’s actions. But even if he did something really really bad he would still be allowed supervised visitation. He’s been gone from them quite awhile. I’m not even sure he’s been overnight at the house since he came back from France. He was shown there for 1 1/2 days (?) and then he was there at the photo shoot that was that Sunday. Since then, he’s been gone. Irc, it was over 3 weeks ago he left for France. I saw an article on MSNBC that said he was heading home soon to see his kids. I hope so. I wonder how he can look them in the eye. He sees the rag mags w/his kids pics just like everyone else. Imo, he should be wanting to protect his children from the paps.
He adds, “This is typical of what Jon and I discussed about spouses being vindictive and destroying a relationship between a father and their children.”
Erin –
I’m pretty neutral about J & K. I’ve said before that how Kate has damaged the relationship is pretty obvious. Her faults are up-front and in-your-face. Jon’s faults are less obvious and more subtle.
That being said, there has always been something about Jon that hasn’t seemed quite right. I think that what we are seeing now is the real Jon. I think that what we are seeing is the Jon that Kate was (unwisely and unsuccessfully) trying to contain. He does not seem like a dad. He seems like a playboy.
Maybe that is the problem with their relationship — 2 people who couldn’t have been more ill-suited for each other — marry — and have children.
Maybe the problem is not the relationship, but who they picked. She picked him and he is wrong for her . . . or she wouldn’t try to change him. He picked her and she is wrong for him . . . . or he wouldn’t be resentful of her for directing him.
Rosie,
Well said! I LOVE this and will now use this with my boys.
“are ambassadors of their family and how they behave in public is a reflection on their family as a whole”
This is wonderful! Thank you.
You know I do not really believe that they “chose” the wrong people to marry per-say. You fall in love period. How much you have or don not have in common is trivial in comparison to loving each other, making that commitment out of love/respect/devotion/and if you are a Christian like HE proclaimed to be a covenent. Marriage take a LOT of work no matter what. My hubby and I had NOTHING in common. He was a jock, I was a total miss priss. He was into pizza I was into french foods (a tad too much might I add) ooops i digress. :p
My hubby and have have 5 children. 4 boys here on earth and one daughter in heaven. We have seen ups and downs like some will NEVER see. However we have been together for over 22 years because we dont see marriage as something that can simply be disposed if when its lost its luster. So it is not a matter of choosing the wrong person. We should never marry to define ourselves but marry to make a natural completion of ourseleves with our mate.
Kate is not perfect. Jon is acting in a HORRID fashion as a spouse and as a father. To hang out with Lohan, to sleep with so many women before the divorce is final, to spend such outragious copius amounts of money on a “I am a single man with no kids” lifestyle. I really hope his visitation is supervised for a while until he gets some serious therapy/help.
I am very curious to see what August 3rd will bring as far as the show. I WILL keep watching for many reasons. After all this is America not a communist country where i am told what or what not to watch.
Just another not so humble opinion from a woman who is a imperfect wife and mommy but adores her hubby and boys!
Wow Joy you are very welcome! I can’t believe we have so much in common: I have 4 children (adults now
) 3 sons here on earth too and one daughter in heaven. I also have 6 grandchildren (2 girls and 4 boys) and the first one born was a girl and what a thrill that was/is finally got to shop in the little girl dress department, 
I will say though that my boys were raised in a time without all this internet and cell phone stuff and even though it seemed hard at the time (I never had the “boys will be boys” attitude) I do not envy anyone who is raising kids nowadays! But I did try to raise my boys to treat everyone as equals (I am of the “I am woman hear me roar” age, 
) I used to joke with them and say: why would I want to go from superior to equal? But we were blessed with good kids and, even though I love their Dad to pieces, he was not good at being the disaplinarian (sp) so I was the “mean” one…and the old saying of I hope to live long enough to see my kids have kids especially teens, well that is so true and now I can just chuckle when they tell me of the problems with their kids, 
Hang in their Joy the day will come when you will be able to take a deep breath and say whew that was some ride, 
the results: you gave the world responsible, caring, loving and respectful people to help make the world a better place! There is a special place in heaven for the mother of three sons! 
OMG watch out folks the “peeps” are angry! Why you ask? Because Kate went out for a manicure/pedicure yesterday! Oh yes full pics of her feet on JJ
They want to know why she can’t just stay home and take care of her kids! Jeeze please give me a break! 
I love the American double standard, don’t you?! 
Michael Lohan giving parental advice? Hmmm…I think if you ask his kids, I’m sure they would have a different view of what kind of parent he is. And Michael, it wasn’t your wife who separated you from your kids- it was your behavior landing you in jail that separated you from your kids. If I were Jon’s PR people, I would suggest keeping away from some of these new friends. Especially since these new friends have had run-ins with the law.
The difference between Jon and Kate and real celebrities is this, real celebrities are famous because they have some kind of skill or talent – Armstrong’s cycling, Anjolina’s acting, or whatever. They are not simply famous for having children and allowing those children’s every move to be filmed. The kids aren’t, supposedly, child actors, which is why their receive nothing for their exhausting schedule of photo shoots, performances etc and aren’t covered by state laws covering child actors, which would protect them.
How in the world would an IT specialist and a nurse support 8 kids without pimping out their children and destroying their childhoods so they can live in a million dollar home and have multiple condos and luxury apts, elective cosmetic surgeries, etc etc etc? Same way my parents did – 6 kids on two teachers salaries, my other half is one of NINE and his mom stayed at home – dad was a Sargeant in the army and moonlighted in security. My sibs and his ALL went to college, so the choice isn’t between trading away your children’s privacy and dignity or living under a bridge on welfare.
My concern is not for the tool Jon and his latest romance in itself but in how seeing that on the covoer of People, or Kate whipping Leah on the cover of InTouch, affects these kids. Gone are the days of the sweett 4th of July parade “tradition” because now they can’t go ANYWHERE without the paparazzi, thanks to their parents. Why do I think these KIDS would be happier running thru the sprinkler and eating home made popsicles instead of living in a McMansion and having an organic food chef? I’m not sure,, maybe it’s the stress and unhappiness you see on their faces. The twins stopped wanting to film long ago, we were told that if they didn’t want to be on camera they simply weren’t and that is simply not true, they are forced to be filmed and if they don’t want it, the filming of the event goes ahead but the child is left out of the event as with decorating cookies in Hawaii at the fake wedding. We were told the family came first and if they had to take a break from the show to work on that, they would, that the wedding was to cement their commitment to “be together forever” – all not true. Kate’s ocd had hit upon this show as a compusion she cannot do without, and I was SHOCKED to see the number of episodes – over 100! with hours and hours of filming for every 15 minutes of air time, plus the photoshoots etc these children ARE working, and their parents are frittering away their money just as they fritter away their quality family time. I don’t care whether Kate’s perfect or not perfect, these children need a break from this garbage and BOTH parents need to get over the grandstanding in the press, for the kids sake.
And put a few bucks in savings for them Jon rather than buying $950 shoes inthe Hamptons. Unlike you, one of them might want an education and a real job one day.
Sadstateofaffairs, you have no basis for saying that the twins are forced to do anything.
You also sound like a disgruntled person from GWOP, the sty, or Fiona’s blog, or maybe you are one of Fiona’s sockpuppets. The great thing about being here, is that the mods allow people with different opinions.
Yours is that of what we had discussed on the old blog. Just because your parents are teachers, great, they raised kids on their salaries. But, to assume or tell anyone how they should make a living by staying in the profession they were in five or six years ago, is stupid. This attitude along with your use of the Gwop term “McMansion” is telling.
sadstateofaffairs, how do you know the stuff that you report to be true?
How do you know the children receive nothing for being on the show? How do you know that money is not being set aside for the children? I hear that often on certain anti-Gosseling sites but I have no idea how people know what bank accounts or trusts have or haven’t been set up for the children.
How do you know the twins wanted to stop filming long ago? What is the source of that information?
wow sadstateofaffairs do you really have one warped or biased viewpoint on someone you do not even know.
1) REAL celebrity????
Main Entry: ce·leb·ri·ty
( fame ))
Pronunciation: \sə-ˈle-brə-tē\
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural ce·leb·ri·ties
Date: 14th century
1 : the state of being celebrated
2 : a famous or celebrated person
Well I guess that blows that theory by definition right???? they are not pimping out their kids. They truly started out for the reasons THEY said. It started as a documentary that was to be a one shot deal. Then they got offered a show and the talked it over and prayed over it and thought it would be a great way to record the kids from infancy on. This is what they SAID. You for some reason think that you have insite into the REAL reason ?????? Okey dokey now
2) multiple condo’s and apartments???? hello there are two. One bachlors pad to sleep with woman and one condo that Kate can stay at while Jon has visitation with kids. They agreed that whoever has visitation will stay at home with kids and other will leave for time of visit. I think this is smart and think of the kids. Lets not stretch the truth though and make up a number. kay?
AND PLEEEEEEEase whether you are for or against spanking Kate was not Whipping her child. i saw now belt, no branch from the willow tree LOL Am I begining to see a trend here in the accusations?
You are right they do have a roganic food chef. Kate even mentions her by name on their private site under Q & A . The chefs name is KATE Gosselin. Go figure!
And your daily relationship with them in order for you to know for sure that the kids are all FORCED to do filming??? And you are their banker our accountant to know what is there for the kids??????? hmmmmm
I do agree that they should cut down the number of episodes a bit.
Well enough time on this one.
Just another not so humble opinion by moi LOL
gotta love my spelling? NOT sorry
Paul Petersen and Gloria Allred were on the Today show this morning talking about Nadya.
While I agree with them that the rights of children on reality shows should be protected, I’m not too thrilled with fame “seekers” like those two inserting themselves into the situation.
Get the laws passed, (or like Paul and his wife did, write them) then let the proper authorities enforce them. I’m no fan of Nadya’s, but who decided that Paul and Gloria should decide how to raise her children?
Paul might be more successful in his mission if he toned it down a little. (Meredith called him “passionate”, I might have gone with “rabid”.) He very passionately tells us that eleven people from reality shows have committed suicide. Well, it turns out that includes people in England , Sweden, and Japan, as well as the US, a sister of a contestant, a producer and people who didn’t get on their chosen shows. Now, those cases are very sad , but if you are talking about all the reality show participants in the world, that’s probably not a higher rate of suicide than you’d find in any random group of the same size.
And, the production company doing the show on Nadya is “the same one responsible for breaking up Danny Bonaduce’s family”? I think Danny was pretty much responsible for breaking up his family and I bet he’d say so too.
And finally, if anyone knows what Nicole Richie’s skill or talent is, please let me know.
My oh my where does one begin?
sadstateofaffairs your name fits you perfectly! The only thing I will say about all of your rambling is that you apparently “assume” that Kate has no talent…frankly IMO I think she is very talented and has evolved in many good ways to be helpful to her kids. Now for those who would DARE to compare her to the “octomom”…you need to get a grip or counseling, there is in no way no how no shape any similarities between the two and not even my 6 year old grandchild would say there is…As far as Paul Peterson: I watched the Donna Reed show and frankly I think we are dealing with a bitter man who either had parents who really screwed him or he is bitter that no one wanted his “talent” after that show and he fell into oblivion. I see he has formed another group to protect the children. Not that I don’t appreciate their efforts but it would be nice if they would use some of that energy to go after child molesters and keeping them in jail…maybe Paul could write that law!
Gloria Alred (sp) need I say anything?
Sadstateofaffairs, honey, we’ve heard all of that before (including similar personal stories). We know which stories have been proven to be true, which are false, and which ones nobody knows for sure. So, you might want to get caught up on all that. I don’t think you’re going to change anyone’s mind , but I guess you’re welcome to keep trying.
Kiki, don’t forget about Paris Hilton. She’s famous for being famous of doing nothing and Nicole Richie’s talent?????? I don’t know but she sure has one cute kid!!!
sadstateofaffairs, how do you know that Kate has a Facebook page (she does indeed) and even better: how do you know what she is saying? Did you pretend to be her friend so she would let you into her page so you could read what she is saying? Or are you making it up to support your case against her? By the way Kate has signed for a condo in MD a whole lot cheaper than anything Jon got in NY, even though it is Kate who is making the money to pay for both!
Yeah, Darlene, but Paris made that video. So she must be talented, right?
Kiki, lol.. I forgot about the sex tape!!!!!
Kiki, I find it amusing that the address for Paul Peterson’s website is “minorcon.com.” Maybe because I think they are cons. I agree with you, his “articles” about reality television contestants is misinformed at best. It says something about him that he quotes them as some big proof of his theories. Many of the people who killed themselves, or tried, probably would have done it without reality television. Reality television didn’t drive them to suicide, they were unstable before this happened. Also, if we are going to talk about all reality television, both those in front of the camera and behind, as well as throughout the entire television watching world than the numbers in those articles are remarkably low. When you consider that the real world has had 21 seasons, 7 roommates per season, that is over one hundred roommates, none of whom have killed themselves (but yes, many were unstable–again, television didn’t make them like that). I hate it when people look at these things, quote them, and pretend there is a correlation where one doesn’t necessarily exist. Coincidence, not cause.
I’m pretty disgusted with this whole thing. The abuse allegations have started again (did they ever really go away? Probably not.). That makes me fume. I have no love for Jon, and I think he has made really stupid and bad decisions. I’ve seen disinterest, but not abuse.
I am begining to think that Kate is not really on Facebook…that someone, maybe even Sadstateofaffairs, IMHO, has created a Facebook page using her name so they can make it look like she is on their and she is saying horribe things. Sadly Facebook doesn’t care whose name you use…by the way I personally do not believe that cursing or using the Lord’s name in vain belongs on this blog…do you hear me Sadstateofaffairs? You need to know that and stop it please.
My apoligies to everyone regarding the Kate Gosselin Facebook page
seems there are at least 30 pages of Facebook sites that use the name Kate Gosselin, and even worse the children’s names in them! I do not believe any of them are actually Kate Gosselin or for that matter any of the family members. So sad that anyone can steal your name, create a blog using it and then say stuff that the press actually reports as coming from you. I fell for it, and I am so sorry 
Kate’s official blog is on the TLC site and, as we know, it has been on vacation since “they agreed” to take a break. So anything that anyone says (I mean you Sadstateofaffairs) they have read on Kate’s “blog” is not from Kate but one of the scumbags who is trying to make her look worse then the press has. Thanks for allowing me to clear the air 
Oh my goodness was she taking our Lord’s name in vain?? Yikes I agree with
GREM there is no need to stoop to such a low level and be so foul, low, and disgusting in your words. Shame on you! I am a Christian a VERY imperfect on however I WILL not tolerate such verbally abusive foul words about MY GOD.
Thank you
Has anyone laid out what rumors are true and which are not?
Wild speculation (i.e., Kate has a new condo in MD, etc. etc.) is very much appreciated at MANY other Gosselin boards, so you hardly have no other outlet for your views.
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Wild speculation?
Erin Kate, very well said (as usual).
Regarding the allegations of abuse – they are absurd. Although, I have to say I was on a website today that had pix of Shiloh Jolie-Pitt and some wacko was commenting on bruises on *her* arm (because three year old’s never bruise themselves playing). So maybe this is a common tactic of haters in general and not just directed at the Gosselins. Because what can hurt a person more than accusing them of abusing their child??? Nice.
Reggie, the condo in MD was wild speculation a week ago. It appears some more reputable gossip outlets (ha, is there such a thing?) have come forward with confirmation of the purchase as of yesterday. So Kate bought a condo (probably). It still doesn’t mean she is in a relationship (past or present) with Steve Neild. Perhaps I will be proven wrong, but I’d prefer to wait and see vs. making outrageous accusations and seeing what sticks.
Sadstateofaffairs, I have been skipping over your ramblings because I believe a lot of what I did read was wild, wild speculation and lies and chose not to waste my time on it. I don’t think it’s right to take the Lord’s name in vain. Whether you believe or not, you really should be respectful of others. I agree with Grem and Joy.
Rosie, ITA with your post of July 28, 2009 at 3:19 pm. Right on, right on.
Kiki, you’re right Danny ruined his own family with his drug habit. There’s someone who’s life could be clean if he didn’t fall to all the drugs. Just his radio contract from a few years back, he made a nice chunk. Wonder how much was wasted on drugs.
Erin Kate, I haven’t seen anything on the abuse rumors, but I’m sure they’re on the hate blogs. I believe that’s where the rumors start and to me, just stay because I think these people on them just make them up and infest upon themselves like flies on….you know what. They have no basis of truth. They are made to harm people.
I saw that Kate got a condo in Rockville, MD. As RadarOnline and Perez Hilton (there’s someone who’s just a troublemaker, now isn’t he
), throw in that “that’s where her bodyguard Steve Neld lives”. Well, this may be naive, but I was thinking this….maybe Kate likes that area a lot , maybe she’s friends with the whole Neld family and maybe she figures this is a way that Steve can work and go home to his family each night. Of course, that may be not be the whole basis of buying a condo in MD. I know, I’m giving Kate a big credit there, but maybe it did cross her mind.
Joy you really are a Joy!
I just had a happy thought: for the first time since Kate became a mother she will actually get a break from “her brood” and all that stuff that us Moms do on a day to day basis (hers being times 
and she will actually have the opportunity to chill out and rest, her books and do things that we all, at least I want(ed) to do but always felt guilty if I were not with my kids 24/7! I think we will be seeing a happier, more patient and funny Kate then when she had to deal with a husband who, well let’s just say, IMHO, was a little less then perfect 
I think it is a very happy thought because as we know if Mom isn’t happy nobody is happy 
…I think Mama Kate is going to be very happy…oh and btw, I live in MD and have relatives in the town where Kate lives in PA…and in the MD town Kate has chosen, if indeed she has, it is a lovely town and not far at all from her kids in PA….Kate made a wonderful choice and frankly I don’t care where her “bodyguard” lives! Good for her!:lol:
For goodness sakes Reggie give it a rest! ok so you don’t like Kate I think we all get it but I do and many do and so there. I am sure there are many people who have known me for a long time who don’t like me or what I do either, but thank goodness there are many who do…and the ones who do not like me don’t spend their every waking hour trying to convince the ones who do to stop liking me and being my friend! That I call obsessive behavior and they (you) really need to get a life! Get over it!
Reggie, I’m sure GWOP would accept you with all knowledge of the REAL Kate and who she really is.
I guess wild speculations don’t bother me, because so much of it has proven to be true. No, the Gosselins didn’t move to North Carolina. But for every crazy rumor that didn’t pan out, there seems to be two that did. (Jon’s car, Jon’s girlfriend, living separate lives. big new house, etc.). I don’t profess to know the real story of the Gosselins. I don’t know if the Gosselins themselves know the real story, since their communication skills seem poor. I’m not outraged by what the kids will one day read on the internet (if not already), because that ship has sailed. I just hope that the Gosselins can get their act together. I’m not overly concerned about Jon or Kate having quality time on their own. People rarely find true peace through self-indulgence. The kids will probably turn out like most large families. Some of the kids will find more happiness than others. I wish them all well, but since Jon and Kate don’t seem to care what everyone is saying about them–why should I? Just my opinion.
Reggie, in what capacity have you known Kate since she was 11? If you know her and her mother maybe you can explain why her brother stabbing her in the back going to tabloids to speculate on her having an affair – which started the rumors. I can’t buy it was concern for the kids because reporting on a supposed affair did nothing to help the children in anyway.
Kate is a strong woman. I do admire strong women. Has she done things that I don’t care for or wouldn’t do? Of course, but I don’t know a single person I agree with all of the time.
I know this will not be very popular but I agree with sadstateofaffairs’ overall point of view that the Gosselin children’s childhoods have been sacrificed by their parents’ choices. Neither parent seems to have the ethics to stop this runaway train and the desire for fame and fortune has taken on a life of its own. Although I am no psychologist and we have no direct knowledge, it is a stretch to think that there is no harm being done to the children. It might not fit the definition of “abuse” but how can anyone think that this life is in their best interests?! I do not disagree that both of the parents seem to have developed talents that might be marketable out of the experience of the sho. However, I think they should go ahead and develop them without the kids being involved and being exposed on a daily basis to the pressures of the paparazzi. Every time they display the kids living their lives they take away a little more of their dignity and privacy. It truly does seem like they are living their lives on a public stage. Maybe it is the parents’ right but does that, in itself, make it right?
Hello Everyone- so glad to see you all here!
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“Whataboutthekids”- I agree with your post, very well said! I will not defend/stand up for Kate or Jon’s actions. I do not know them, I have never met them and I do not believe that watching their show gives anyone a TRUE view of who they really are. I”m sure one day the kids will have 8 different views of their lives, how their parents treated them, etc. Like Wendy said, some of the kids will be happier than others and some will achieve more than their other siblings. Jon has said previously in interviews that Cara & Mady Googled Santa Claus and were telling other kids that Santa didn’t exist. I’d find it hard to believe they haven’t Googled themselves or that their friends haven’t. But that’s where it becomes J&K’s responsibility to be mindful of their own actions, like any parent, and have good lines of communication with their children.
Gosselin-defender checking in here! (That would be me).
I just want to say I thought both Wendy and WhatAboutTheKids expressed their opinions well. I don’t totally agree with all their words (as they wouldn’t agree with mine), but they made me think.
I love it when we can have differing opinions and express them respectfully without resorting to attacking each other or being overly judgmental or snarky.
Paige, I really like your last paragraph. One of the qualities that I really do admire in Kate is her strength and resolve.
Oh Anya, I love my snark.
but I do understand what you are saying. I did read an interesting comment this morning I just assumed got deleted because it’s not posted and I was sitting on my couch wondering how someone can get so worked up over a family that’s not even their own. Makes me wonder!!!!
Kevin and Jodi were on The Morning Show again.
They would sound good if you didn’t know about GWoP and RadarOnline, etc. Interesting that they are blaming TLC for shutting them out of the Gosselin’s lives. And, for all the hoopla going on now. I’m not saying TLC is upset with the publicity, but I don’t think they can be held responsible for it. Jon got it started(and,hmm, didn’t Jo&Ke jump in on it?) and it has taken on a life of it’s own.
It just irks me that they go on this show ( this is the second time) and go on about their “concerns” , and never get questioned about their past actions or motives. Like, maybe they could be asked if they had apologized to Kate for spreading the rumor about her and Steve.
Not to mention, how did that help the kids?
To disgusting: You quoted my comments and said you thought I was not a good mother because I made them….that is OK with me, the only judges of that should/would be my “kids” who are now in their late 30′ and early 40′s. I have 3 sons, they all attended college (thankfully) a choice they made because, as we all know college is not for everyone and for sure is not the only answer to a successful future! One is a retired LT from the police Department and now an assistant state’s attorney (he is a lawyer too). He actually came home one day from college and said he had enough and wanted to join the police department. So he did, then he got married, had 3 kids and then put himself through college and law school. The other two are both college graduates too and very successful in their chosen careers.. I tell you this because you critized me for saying that Kate would be a happier person and the children would benefit from her time to chill out and have some personal time. I believe that too much of a good thing is not necessarily a good thing and if given the opportunity every mother should have some down time to appreciate herself and the kids (and Dad too) certainly do benefit from this. I know you do not agree and that is just fine with me, that is what this site is all about: differing opinions, that is what makes the world a better place too IMO. We all need to remember, IMHO, that the parent’s job is ultimately raise their kids so they can “fly away” and live (hopefully) happy and productive lives….I always joke that my kids have never had to ask me for money since they have become great men on their own…and PS they married women like their mom, I think that is the greatest testiment of what they think of their Mother! By the way, they are like their father…we have been married for 46 years.