Kate Gosselin is ready to tell all. With the media frenzy surrounding the end of her marriage and her successful TV show approaching critical mass, Kate is sitting down with NBC’s Natalie Morales for her most revealing one hour interview to date.
Tags: Jon and Kate Plus 8, Kate Gosselin, Natalie Morales, NBC, TLC
Good grief–what more is there to say???
Oh my, Wendy, I said the same thing about Jon on the last thread.
This is too much story-telling. Is this what other TV performers do to keep their names “out there?” I don’t think so. She just did this (very well) last week! Two weeks of this is unnecessary. What more can she say?
I’m curious about what she’ll say. I guess I find Kate interesting enough that it doesn’t feel redundant or unnecessary (yet). It all depends on the questions, I think.
Why is NBC giving TLC editing rights?
What I hope is that last week’s episode (Kate Answers Your Questions) and the interview this week are a way for Kate to still earn a paycheck from TLC without violating Jon’s wishes. Somebody in the family needs to earn money. It will be nice when the public airing of emotions by Kate and Jon is over, but I do think Kate’s actions are still greatly influenced by what TLC wants. I assume TLC approached NBC with the offer of an exclusive interview, with strings attached (editting rights). I think Kate is careful enough in her answers to not get herself into trouble, but TLC doesn’t even want it to appear like she’s hedging, so they probably edit out questions that she won’t answer completely (or that might make them look bad). I don’t think TLC is totally bad, but as a money-making corporation, they do want to preserve as much positive image as possible for Jon and Kate Plus 8 and themselves.
I am a chicken about the type of interview that’s occuring on tonight’s episode. I’m going to wait to make sure there aren’t any cringeworthy moments (by checking this great message board) and watch it online at a later date.
From what I read on line, during the interview Kate tells a story about her mother and childhood. (Something about telling her Mom that 5 kids was too many.) I think talkign about her childhood would be good – it explains more about her and why she has certain beliefs and attitudes that she does.
She looks great. I hope she keeps her hairstyle like this.
I agree with Anne. Enough already. All of this public exposure of private issues, while possibly therapeutic to the parents, cannot be helpful to the kids.
i agree with mary and paige. it hink this will be more about kate and not so much about jon and kate and the kids. i mean i expect some but i think (hope) they will focus more on who kate was before jon and what her goals are now and how she felt about things…you know the things we DON’T already know.
i also do think this is a way for tlc to keep kate working since jon pulled the kids off tv. and i think it has the potential to be a really good hour. i will be watching.
I’ve always wonder with the Gosselins exactly where the line is that they won’t cross. Not that Kate needs to spell it out for me (I’d add Jon too but I’m not sure if I would be able to understand what he said), but a lot of my reservations about the parents would go away if I felt they had a good, solid foundation to stand on and that they were making their choices from that instead of going for what ever/who ever is going to pay them. If it’s true that she’s going to talk about her mother and her childhood, a topic Kate has made pretty clear that is off limits in the past, to me it just comes across as Kate will do anything for the money and fame.
Personally, I don’t buy the whole “Kate needs to do what she needs to do because she’s the only one earning a paycheck.” Entertainment is a fickle business and no one in it is guaranteed a career. The show ending and how they will pay for their bills once it’s over is something Kate should (and probably is) prepared for. As much as Kate feels she’s a natural to be on TV, there are many more qualified people than jobs to go around. Personally I still stand by a really old comment I made that Kate believes if she puts it out there, it will happen. I originally made it during one of the debates of do they/don’t they beg for things through their TV show. Just because she’s not out right asking for a job (and to be honest, I don’t remember some of the things they would ask for that would be interpreted as a request), Kate knows she has fans and there is interest in her, so she’s using her show to help her get what she wants. I’m not saying what Kate is doing is wrong (it’s a smart business decision on her part), what I am saying is that her putting what she wants out there is a calculated move.
I’m prepping myself to watch the interview… not sure what it will reveal, why it is important, or how I feel about it in general. Always doesn’t last forever…. now that’s an opening line…. Okay going to watch.
Well in true Kate fashion, her answers were careful. It’s just sad…. the whole thing is sad. As I’ve said before, call her what you will……she is one of us “Imperfect Women” and her life is up in the air. I feel for her, divorce is tough …..especially for a woman feels she needs to be in control (as many of us do). I think she is trying to do what she feels is right even if it’s not popular opinion. It’s strange to watch the show, regular time, regular channel and no kids. One thing Jon has done with his protest is make it more about Kate, something I’m sure he didn’t plan on. She does sound more honest than Jon does regardless of how careful her words are chosen. I think Natalie did a good job of hitting some uncomfortable areas for Kate and Kate handled it well, as usual.
i agree kat that natalie asked some of the hard questions. on the whole i didn’t learn anything new really. but i liked watching it.
Go ahead and watch, Mary, nothing was cringeworthy. I still believe it was unnecessary, unless it was, as you said, just a way to honor the TLC contract without filming the kids.
It was mostly redundant. The “story” about her mother was not much of anything. She did not give a clear answer for why she doesn’t see and visit with her parents, and I believe that was wise. There seems to be more to the story, a “line she won’t cross” as Sue said, and I’m glad she won’t cross it. As much as I want to know the dirt, I don’t believe I should know the dirt about that. I am glad for all of them that she can say her parents support her and she emails them. That’s better than I thought.
The low point was her answer to what she wants the public to know. I think mentioning that she wakes up at night alone wondering… came off as self-centered. It may be true, but it’s melodramatic. Life is tough all over. The question was a set-up for a pity party. The only respectable answer I could think of was, “The public knows too much already.”
Kudos to Kate for not trashing Jon, even though she was given many opportunities. I am so glad she said a part of her will always love him. True or not, it was the right answer. She handles those questions so well that I feel sorry for Jon. He does not have her sense about answering delicate questions at all.
Sue, I think I understand what you mean about Kate putting something out there if she wants it to happen. I think you are right. Kate’s different than I am in that respect, but I don’t think it’s a bad thing. I’m rooting for her, myself. I kind of hope she ends up as the voice of a cartoon character or something. So maybe the interview was calculated to get the attention of someone who might be considering her for another job? That would also explain why she gave this largely redundant interview.
All in all, I think it’s a mistake to discuss it publicly, because of the kids, but what do I know?
Personally I enjoyed watching the interview tonight. I thought that Kate looked really pretty, but she can pull off just about any kind of look. I kind of prefer this hairstyle over the other, but it looks like it would be difficult to maintain.
I agree with those above who say that we didn’t really learn much more than we knew before and that hopefully this was just a way for her to get another paycheck. I really felt that Natalie shot some pretty tough questions her way but IMO no matter what, Kate answered them gracefully and with a lot of class.
The only thing that kind of drove me crazy was the way Natalie would ask her an answer and then Kate would answer the question by asking herself a question and answering it…does that make sense?? Did anyone else notice that or am I just extra picky tonight? For example: “Do I think that I was hard on Jon? Yes, I think that I was in certain instances.”
It just seemed to me that there were a lot of instances like that during the hour.
I must confess that I went over to GWOP to gawk for a second to see what they had to say about it and it was pretty comical. The fact that they already have 200+ entries for a show that they claim “not to watch or care about” and only aired a couple of hours ago is laughable. I also thought it was hilarious how on posts from last night they were calling Natalie…Natalie ImMorales but now they’re praising Natalie tonight after realizing that some of her questions were pretty tough. Boy they are an interesting bunch over there to say the least…
Kate did a great job answering without blaming Jon. I wanted to scream at the TV a couple of times when Natalie kept pounding the issue that they asked for all the tabloid stuff by being on a TV show.
First of all that is not true! No one, not even her(Natalie), deserves to be hounded by the paps and lies and half truths printed about them. Where do these TV personalities get off blaming them just because they are on TV? Does that mean that they themselves deserve this harrassment because they are on TV?
Second, they were not in the tabloids for 4 seasons, until Jon started fooling around with women. He was the bait and kept feeding them. I was finally glad when Kate finally brought up the fact that they had 4 seasons without tabloids, and glad she didn’t come right out and mention Jon.
I think she handled herself very well, and I hope this is the last interview regarding the divorce. Jon now needs to complete the apology by his actions. I agree with the Rabbi that Jon publicly humiliated Kate and needs to publicly apologize.
I also hope this is it for Kate. Not really anything new. I hope Kevin watched and that he feels bad for what he and Jodi said about Kate. That always bothered me the most, him selling out his own sister.
Thanks for the “all clear” to watch Kate’s interview Ann. You provided enough info where I almost don’t need to, but there’s nothing like hearing and seeing. I usually go to the Gosselin Family Fansite blog, but it’s not posted there yet.
Just an FYI to anyone curious about Jon’s take on the interview…if his Twitter account is truly his, he said this:
I stand behind Hailey because she is the only person who has spoken the brutal truth about (yes this whole mess of a trainwreck) as it is described. She has gotten the brunt of EVERYONE’S anger and disappointment. Kate even slipped last night and admitted we split up a year ago! Though she claims she “didn’t remember” who called it quits.. Hey at least she said “didn’t remember” instead of lieing.
I know some were excited about what he said in the interview with the Rabbi, but the above statement about Kate is why I thought his talk with the Rabbi was the same old same old. If you want to clear the air with your almost ex, you don’t Twitter snide remarks. Sorry, I’m irritated.
Mary, that Twitter post made me really angry also, especially since Kate didn’t say they broke up a year ago. She said that the problems started a year ago. Jon just twists and twists to fit whatever twisted agenda he has.
Ann, ITA on your whole post. I think the answers Kate gave were in conjunction with what she says she does…uses her kids as the yardstick.
Jacquelyn, actually there is a name to the asking a question after a question. It’s called “parroting”. People do that for a few reasons. One, they use the words of the interviewer to buy time to think, instead of quickly saying, “um” or “uh”. It’s basically a tactic so one can think outloud without sounding dumb with fillers like “um”, “like” or uh”.
There’s also another way parroting occurs. For instance, you might hear it on the radio…
dj–”Hi Q93, what’ s your name?”
“Shelly”
dj–”Shelly where are do you live?”
“Quakerville”
dj–Shelly from Quakerville what song would you like to hear?
Parroting on the radio is totally uncessary and I would tell that dj to edit his call to the meat of it. But, in interviewing on live tv, the parroting is more of a stall tactic to form thoughts more clearly. Next time you watch local news, see how often they use parroting or some form of it.
Mary, you are right. One doesn’t Twitter snide remarks. He grows up and talks with her in private and doesn’t mention it on public forums or paid interviews.
So much for making things right with Kate. It wasn ‘t even 48 hours before he was being a jerk again. He probably hadn’t even talked to Kate yet, let alone “apologized”.
Sorry to somewhat disagree about Kate. She treated Jon poorly as we all saw on television. He’s no angel by any means, but at some point I think he got tired of getting walked on and talked down to. He went his own way, and Kate lost a measure of control over him. Things went downhill from there until she finally got enough of her loss of control with Jon, and she announced “it’s over” according to Kevin and Jodie. Kate insisted that Jon continue to keep up the front so the SHOW could go on. Eventually, Jon truly strayed and got caught by the media.
The rift that began was as much Kate’s fault and it was Jon’s. He should have stood his ground with Kate years ago and not let her run over him. A good way to do that is to have a “division of labor”; she is in charge of certain things and he of other things, with each respecting the other’s decisions and suggestions. Personally, I don’t think Kate takes suggestions very well, she likes to CONTROL every aspect of her life.
So far we have had two shows that are all about Kate, without the kids being filmed. Next Monday, we have a MEMORABLE episode coming up which is nothing more than a compliation of FAVORITE MOMENTS. That will make three episodes for which this couple are being paid $75,000 per episode. This can only go on so long – three weeks is about two weeks too many without seeing the kids doing something new. TLC is hard pressed now to get Jon’s cooperation with allowing the kids to be filmed. Since they are suing him now, there should be a compromise on the table – film the kids and drop the lawsuit (allowing Jon to speak on other shows).
It is old news that Kate loves the JON she used to know. She filed the paperwork for the divorce, not Jon. Was she trying to force Jon’s hand into coming back within her realm of control? Who knows but it seems like a power move to me. The trouble is, Jon had found his freedom and LIKES IT. He is RECKLESS enough to date these younger women who have no hestitancy about talking to the media.
If Kate could get over her CONTROL issues, and Jon would have some remorse about dating this young girls, there might, just might, be some ground to reconcile. But Kate has her pride and control, and Jon isn’t ready to give Kate a chance to change.
So the kids get lost in the mess of a divorce. Kate will let cameras back into her house as soon as possible to have a healthy income and total control.
If I had to predict anything, I would venture that Kate Plus Eight survives one more season and that will be that. Kate will be under the gun to feed and house her children. Jon will be in a position of providing for the kids as well. If they have JOINT custody, there will be no child support paid – it will be a wash – he has the kids half the time and Kate has the other half of the time – no support necessary. Both parents provide for the kids during their time with the children. Kate might have an income from Kate plus 8, and Jon will have GOD KNOWS WHAT for income. If the series goes under, neither will have a steady income. Kate’s book sales won’t cut it for long either.
Just my take on the situation.
I think if you look at the posts on this thread, and many of the other “Gosselin Chatter” threads, this is usually a forum that is talking about current events (Kate – Her Story, Jon and the Rabbi, Hailey on the Insider). I enjoy this forum because people have differing opinions, but don’t usually issue harsh opinions that aren’t in response to a current event. What I’m trying to say is nobody is trashed in a hateful fashion based on old behavior. The recent Rabbi thread had many positive/hopeful comments about Jon and his intentions, even though some of those posters might think his behavior has been bad lately. If it is old news that Kate loves the Jon she used to know, it is also old news that she treated Jon badly. She said she was wrong in how she treated him. Jon said he was wrong in the way he treated her. That sounds like people moving on. This is a great place to discuss what is happening now.
Maybe Kate and Jon have moved on, but TLC is beating a dead horse. First there was a Q&A with Kate, two weeks ago. Yesterday, we heard Kate’s Story. Next week we get a general recap of the entire series.
Nothing new and no kids being filmed. TLC needs to get this resolved and MOVE ON.
Maybe Kate and Jon have moved on, but TLC is beating a dead horse.
Lol, Cookie822. You pointed out, above, that they may be dragging it out because there is a compromise coming. It’s an interesting theory. Will there be a Kate + 8? When does this lawsuit go to court?
Theresa, thanks for the info on parroting on TV. I’ll be watching for it.
cookie822 – i appreciate your opinion. it just doesn’t happen to be mine. i happen to have liked the last two episodes with just kate and am looking forward to the *viewers* most memorable moments next week. honestly if jon hadn’t had his epiphany we’d be seeing new and varied shows with the kids and tlc wouldn’t be *beating a dead horse*…as it were.
something else i’ve noticed about the ladies here is that we don’t couch hatred of jon and kate in terms of exploitation of their kids. i love that if someone feels the kids should be off tv they say so and know someone isn’t going to blast them for that opinion. by the same token the opinion that the kids aren’t being harmed is ok to say too.
you ladies are awesome! clap! clap! clap!
I just wanted to add that this is indeed a site of equal say. As individual people we all have individual view, personal experience and different takes on sometimes the same thing. I commented on the GWOP site and never got posted (not that I had to be, but they were not posts of popular opinion). I’m sure there are other sites related to the Gosselins but that is the only one I visited prior to this one. I used to read the comments but had my fill when they began trashing the kids….. which one was a brat, which one’s bathing suit was up their butt and how could Kate allow that (like she could have prevented it….. do you remember your youngsters butt in a suit??), how this one talked, that one looked…etc. Hate Kate, hate Jon, but seriously, the kids are just that, kids and when you take pot shots at kids I call that terrible. Not that I read or even buy mags with all things Gosselin, but so far “X” (crossing my fingers) even the rag mags have left the kids alone.
My feelings are it’s a horrible situation for a family….. for Kate….for Jon and for those lovely children. When the show was in it’s early stages I could see my marriage in their marriage, Aden reminded me of my son and Leah of my daughter. My husband used to call me “Kate” when I was getting in a frenzy and I called him “Jon” when he was being less than supportive. That was how I saw it then, snippy snippy at times, but I still swear I saw a kindness in their interactions…. overwhelmed both of them, but still a kindness and love. I wish them all the best and some type of working relationship for their children.
Kat, it’s hard to see the old episodes when they had a less-than-perfect-but-still-working marriage. Makes me sad for them all, too. I sure hope Jon’s appeal to the paps runs out soon and they chase another story. He needs to reorient his life now. I think a worthwhile job would do wonders for him, and his family as a result.
ann and kat i agree.
it is sad to see the older episodes where they are hugging and laughing and seem to be happy with each other in the midst of all the stress.
Maybe Kate and Jon have moved on, but TLC is beating a dead horse.
Not so dead because they got 3.8 million viewers on Monday. That is great for a cable network.
Yes, and last week they had 3 million viewers. I thought most people were happy the kids weren’t being filmed anymore. If they can show just Kate (or Kate plus one), or old clips, and still get viewers, and the family is still being paid, then what’s the problem?
Sorry you don’t like the DEAD HORSE term. TLC is short on NEW PLOT – got it! Two episodes of KATE WHINING about her life makes me want to PUKE. There I said it and in emphatic terms. And these two episodes are IN ADDITION to all the tabloid manure. It’s overload. And 3.5 million viewers is a steep drop from 10 million that the season began with – down 66 percent.
Deal with it Kate, and stop whining. If she has to go back to being a nurse, then do it and SHUT UP. Single moms work all over the world to support their kids and we don’t have EIGHT because we can’t afford it.
I went through a divorce and it lasted two years and we fought over every fork and spoon because my inlaws wanted it to be a war. They even paid the legal bills for hubby to fight me for everything. It was terrible.
SO YES, I know how hard a divorce can be. BUT GEEZ, Kate, you don’t have to move, put the kids in a new school, find a new church in a new community and get a different job because your ex won’t stop calling your boss. I even moved 1500 miles away to stop the inlaws from going through my trash for evidence to take my children.
Kate, get it together gal. You filed for divorce – NOW DEAL WITH IT.
Trying to lighten things up again, I’ll bring up something Sue said on post 9 that I agree with:
I’m not saying what Kate is doing is wrong (it’s a smart business decision on her part), what I am saying is that her putting what she wants out there is a calculated move.
So, as I was drifting into sleep last night, I was thinking that Kate should say she would love to parody herself on Saturday Night Live. Stranger things have happened. Can’t you just imagine a funny skit where she can make fun of herself and that parroting style many of us have noticed? If only I were funny enough to write it. I actually like her speaking style, it’s like she’s taking the interviewers question and making 5 questions out of it. You get lots of details that way.
Cookie822–
Wow, sorry to hear you had a hard time with your divorce. Divorce is rough, no matter the circumstances. My question is why do you watch Kate and her interviews if it is so difficult and makes you want to “puke”? If something causes me pain or annoyance, I tend to avoid it, but maybe that is just me.
I think Kate has it together and is dealing with her divorce by continuing to fulfill her contractual obligations and supporting her children. It must be tremendously difficult to be in her very public position, but I think she is dealing with it maturely.
Cookie822, you don’t have to “yell” at us. Like Gina said, if the show gets to you so much, why watch it?
The viewer numbers (10 million) from the season opening were inflated because of the separation announcement. No one could have expected them to continue to be that high.
The numbers from the past couple of weeks are still higher than J&K during their “regular”seasons. Kate is fulfilling her contract, is making money for the family, and the kids don’t have to be filmed.
Also, the things you mentioned earlier regarding the end of their marriage, “according to Kevin and Jodi”, were Jon’s version of things (as was Kate’s “cheating”, that they reported). Kevin and Jodi were not in the picture at that time.
I have read all your opinions ladies, and I agree with the majority of them.
I think Kate on SNL would be an absolute hoot. I haven’t watched SNL consistently in years, but I would definitely watch that!
A couple of (late) impressions on Monday’s show.
-It wasn’t a completely wasted hour, but I did feel we went over a lot of the same ground and I didn’t learn much. Aren’t there any new questions to ask? :–)
-I did like when Kate spoke about Kevin and sketched out their relationship a bit more. I have no doubt that she is still stinging from his betrayal.
-I understand the purpose of the interview was to go over again some of the more painful events of recent history, but I missed seeing more of Kate’s humor. I think it would have been nice to lighten things up a bit.
I am actually looking forward to the “favorite moments” episode next week. A chance to see some of the moments that got many of us interested in the show in the first place….
I saw the Kevin and Jodi interview and Jon was no where in the video. I am very familiar with what they said.
I watch the show because I enjoy seeing the kids. The past two weeks they were not around except in old footage. Next week will be old footage too. In case anyone has forgotten, Jon and Kate did a recap episode around the end of last season. This upcoming week will be a rework of the same. Wonder what TLC will do to stretch this out until the “cease and desist” issue with Jon is resolved.
Divorces are hard. Kate has the right to say the situation is difficult because it is. We have approached the point where Kate is having a “pity” party. Feel sorry for me, I have to raise eight kids all by myself and I wake up at night wondering. She had eight kids by choice and she likewise knew that Jon could get hit by a bus and she would be left to provide for them by herself – always a possibility. In real life, Kate treated Jon poorly and she admits it. He got out of the house for breathing room and eventually strayed from the committment. Shame on him. The difficulties in their relationship fall on both their shoulders.
The primary point is simply “Can’t we be done with the ‘whoa is me’” stuff Kate? Go to mediation, get it settled, have the Judge order the divorce, confide in your friends if you need someone to talk to and move on. Talking to Larry King, the View (“I can’t pay my bills because Jon took money from the checking account”), the TLC Sympathy episodes, and interviews with anyone that will listen, – IT’S ENOUGH AIRING THE FAMILY LAUNDRY. Don’t complain about the media and the tabloids when you feed the media with all these interviews.
If someone asks you to play a game of catch and you refuse, then what? They pick up the ball and throw it to you anyway. Getting irritated with the ball laying at your feet, you pick it up and toss it back. The irritating party throws it again, and you reach down with annoyance and toss it back it again to get rid of the ball. GUESS what? You are playing a game of CATCH, which is precisely what you DID NOT WANT TO DO. You defend yourself by claiming you just wanted to get rid of the ball. If you don’t want to play a game of CATCH, you let the ball lay at your feet and walk away.
Also, some people mistakenly believe they HAVE TO DEFEND themselves. You don’t. And it isn’t their business in the first instance. Secondly, some people think if they have more people are their SIDE of the issues (a bigger army/following) then they are the party in the right and other party is WRONG. A divorce is about two adults and their children, not the number of people on YOUR SIDE. Kate seems to need all this validation. The talk shows and TLC are allowing her to TELL HER STORY, she crys and here comes the PITY PARTY.
Just curious to know after next week’s FAVORITE MOMENTS, what the next FILLER episode will be.
Oh to go back in time to post 24, where Ann extended what I saw as an olive branch to Cookie822, and an invitation to discuss some new topics. Then post 25, where Kimmie was her usual friendly self and complimented us all. I am a relative newcomer to Imperfect Women (Oct. 6 was the date of my “welcome” email), but this is the first thread I’ve seen that has veered scarily off our normal friendly vibe. Are we being Punk’d?
I might be wrong but I think Cookie822 should not be chastised for her opinion. I don’t see it so much as being presented nasty, but as passionate. Maybe it is the bold letters and capitalization that seem to be bothering some so much, which I understand. I think she just has so much of her feelings invested because she has been through a divorce and sees this one played out so publicly?
Cookie–am I right???
I did think the interview could have gone further with the “why can’t you go back to not being public” thought. Not that Kate has to do that. But I do disagree that she can’t go back to a private life. She said they will write about her in magazines no matter what, and was actually saying at one point it would last four weeks after she would go out of the public. Well, wouldn’t the natural train of thought be that it would eventually go away?? Just wished it wouldn’t be accepted as fact that she has to stay in the public eye because there is no other choice, no “going back.” I think she can do what she wants and actually wish her good luck with a public future focusing on her. Just want more honesty.
I didn’t view the post you reference as an olive branch. I didn’t think I needed one because I had a differing point of view on Kate. That same post referenced “couching hate regarding the exploitation of the kids”. Since I have no hatred and never believed the kids were being exploited, I remain confident this had nothing to do with me.
I have a definite and strong point of view about Jon and Kate. Most importantly, I would like to see them get back together, swallow the pride, stop washing their laundry in public, and get back to their kids. If that includes continuing with TLC, so we can watch the kids grow – GREAT. It’s the Gosselin’s decision.
I’m not scary and I’m not a punk. If you have 10 people in a room, I would hope you would get 10 different opinions without repeats. My opinion is a unique combination of views on this situation. I thought that would be met with respect. Why would I need with an Olive Branch, to merely express a point of view? I didn’t say anything offensive, vulgar, threatening or abusive, and didn’t assign labels to Kate or Jon. “Pity Party” and “DEAD HORSE” are hardly words to cause the hoisting of a red flag. Likewise, I am not going to rub anyone’s little pointed head for validation. I will leave that to the gladhatters and dittoheads.
I’m not a punk. I am miffed by the comment.
The primary point is simply “Can’t we be done with the ‘whoa is me’” stuff Kate?
You can be done with it any time you stop watching and going to websites that discuss it. You knew the kids were not going to be on this episode so watching it to see the kids is a red herring argument. In fact, if you watched the show, you are part of the 3.5 million viewers that are helping ensure the Gosselins stay in the public eye. I am too but I enjoy watching Kate and she has never made me want to puke.
There are several celebrities that I don’t like. I don’t need to worry about puking over them no matter what they do because I don’t watch their shows or movies, don’t go to websites that discuss them, and don’t read tabloids. They go blithely on their merry doing whatever they are going to do and it has no impact on me whatsoever. Another great side benefit is that people who do want to follow what is going on with those celebrities can do so without having to listen to me rant and rave.
Just curious to know after next week’s FAVORITE MOMENTS, what the next FILLER episode will be.
Why? If you only watching to see the kids and you know there won’t be any new footage of the kids, what difference does make? Why not turn to a different station at 9 pm on Monday nights and wait to hear if new filming of the kids is going to be started. I am sure the news will be well publisized if it happens.
One last thought —
As long as Kate Gosselin evokes so much passion in people (enough passion to make someone type in bold and claim the need to puke), she is not going to be out of the public eye. It is only when there is a collective feeling of indifference toward Kate (and Jon) that these folks will “go away.”
Sorry Cookie, I did not read your last post before I responded. I see you want them to get back together and not to go away.
That is actually an interesting concept but I am not sure why you want that. Let me preface the rest of my remarks by saying that I have gone through a difficult divorce as well. I very much understand the pain of divorce and how hard it can be. I also understand that somtimes it is the very best thing for a family in the long run.
I personally think Kate and Jon’s marriage was extremely dysfunctional and was not healthy for either of them. And both were responsible for that dynamic. Meanwhile the kids were being effected and influenced by it negatively. There were examples on the show. There was a time when Kate was upset about boxes left in the tups room and said something about Daddy not caring about your safety. Jon took the boys to the golf course and told Joel that his Mom was turning him to a wuss because he was upset about dirty hands. Another time, Mady was parroting something Jon said and called Kate a queen bee who sits and tells everyone else to do.
The very fact that Mady was not surprised by the divorce says volumes about how the kids were not witnessing a happy, healthy dynamic between the parents.
What I wish for the Gosselin family is that Kate and Jon get beyond the anger and acting out and learn how to co-parent effectively as divorced parents.
I found Kate’s story hard to watch. I don’t think this time was a pity party for her. She’s hurting and for the right reason’s. What do people want from her, really? I have stayed up at night wondering if I’m doing right for my kids and I’m not in the public eye. I get Kate and I understand where she’s coming from. I feel her pain and one day she well get past all the hurt she feels.
I never said whether I was watching next week’s episode or not – did I? The past week, I didn’t even finish the Kate’s Story episode because I found it boring. Kate can cry to her Mama. Since this is a family matter, I would have thought Kate would lean on her family, not the public. Frankly, I don’t see the problem with being bored with REPEAT material – but some sure have got their panties twisted that I brought it up. If I don’t watch next week, I don’t feel like I will be missing anything – since TLC did this toward the end of last season.
I think I will watch whatever episode I want and evaluate them as I choose. I DO have a beef with TLC stretching the episodes with old footage. If some of you find that offensive, okay. I like seeing fresh, new and upbeat epsidoes. So tar and feather me. It doesn’t mean I will turn off the television for an older one either – I don’t live in either black or white, on or off extremes.
It’s “Kate’s Pity Party” that makes me want to throw up and I didn’t MEAN literally throw up either. I could have just as easily used the word nauseating, and the thinned skinned MIGHT not have been offended. I can type that six more times if it will make it clearer or you can read again and again.
I’ve got my big girl panties on.
Does anyone remember this?
A few years ago there was a cable network show about a couple having six kids. For whatever reason, they had to move in with the Mom’s parents when the babies were born. I think the Dad was unemployed. It didn’t work out so well and the couple and their kids moved out.
The Mom and her mother (kids grandmother) did not see eye to eye on the day-to-day routine for the kids. Both were controlling and wanting things done exactly their way – hence the tension.
At the time and even still, I believe this was a retelling of the Jon and Kate story. I would be guessing to say it was televised on either Lifetime or Oxygen, but I am not sure.
Did anyone else see this show? What is your take on it?
Okay, I see that it is my post referencing an olive branch and being Punk’d that particularly offended Cookie822, and I sincerely apologize. The Punk’d reference was alluding to the show with Ashton Kutcher that plays practical jokes on people. The reason I was reminded of that was because the tone of Cookie822’s posts were so different from anything else I’ve read on this site. I did not mean that you were a punk, Cookie822, really. Again I apologize. Once again, this site welcomes differing views, as do I personally. My comment that “this is the first thread I’ve seen that has veered scarily off our normal friendly vibe” did not mean I felt you were scary or threatening. It was honestly my way of saying that I felt like we were heading in tone to a more negative website like Gosselins Without Pity. CincyMom posted a very warm comment to Cookie822 that suggested the bold type and caps might be bothering some, and I will say that was true for me. So, this is the best apology I can offer, and I am putting my attempts at dry humor to rest.
all righty then…lol.
i guess i can’t say it any better than i did…everyone here is welcome to their opinion. BUT i think sometimes we don’t remember that the premise of a message board is a back-and-forth conversation. the very nature is designed for discussion. just because i may not agree with another poster’s opinion and say why…and even quote that person…doesn’t mean i’m saying you don’t have the right to your opinion.
and it is also the nature of a message board (and people) to give reasons for their opinion and that may seem to others as being judgmental of or trying to change another person’s opinion. the point is i think we all here try not to be mean spirited and realize that a person’s past determines why they feel as they do in any given situation.
cookie i did think your post was a bit hateful but i wasn’t speaking of you in particular in my original post. i guess i feel like if i hate something so badly i wouldn’t make time for that thig in my life. now frustrated? my yes! lol
anyway, i too really wish the gosselins could become a family again and learn and grow from all this…but it would be very very hard. i guess i will just continue to keep them in my prayers.
I missed the Kate interview, is it anywhere on the web?
Thanks!
Susan, I actually watched it in 5 parts on YouTube, but it is now also posted in 5 parts here:
http://gosselinfamilyfansite.blogspot.com/
Susan, have you found the link to the episode, “Kate: Her story?” Babymama has it in 5 or 6 parts.
CincyMom, thanks for your comments. You would make a great diplomat!
Cookie822, the “olive branch” post that Mary mentioned was mine, but I didn’t say anything about “couching hatred in exploitation of the kids.” That was kimmie’s phrase and she was saying specifically that she doesn’t find that at IW. So that isn’t meant for anyone here. I agree with kimmie that it can definitely be found at another site or two.
My own post regarding the “TLC is beating a dead horse” is my honest reaction: I laughed because I thought it was funny. I agree with you. I think it’s a perfectly valid perception. I understand that over 3 million tuned in (including me.) They are decent ratings. I just think “how Kate is handing things” is a “dead horse” so to speak. I wish she wouldn’t have cried and bared her soul, but then what kind of an interview would that have been? If she did it because she was under contract she has to honor, she did a good job. If she seriously thinks she should be discussing the divorce for the fans and others, I think she’s wrong.
I like Kate more now than I ever have. I admire her strength in the face of her humiliating divorce. I have generally thought the show was a bad idea, even though it was a cute show that I enjoyed. To me, fame itself is a negative effect that couldn’t be avoided. And with fame comes the fact that people just know too much about their real circumstances. Yet, Kate knows aher family, their resources and needs, and I don’t. I can see very good reasons to do the show. I’d be very tempted. I do believe that she weighed the pros and cons and did what she and Jon thought was best for their children. I also think she loves her children.
Opinions are like rear-ends. Everyone has one and some aren’t necessarily pretty. Mine is not gospel – its just my opinion, no more no less. If I use bold print in a word or phrase it is for EMPHASIS – its not yelling. Yelling serves no point – since I am not trying to convince anyone of anything. Some of you made assumptions that were not accurate.
I did not post because I expected someone to agree with me. I came here to post a point of view as food for thought, to add variety and another perspective. To say I espoused “hate” is an exaggeration. There are very few things or people on this planet that I hate. I HATE CARROTS with a passion and NOTHING rivals that. I don’t eat them and I don’t like to be tricked into eating them either. As for people, I hated my in-laws and ex-husband for about 5 years. Then I gave it up because it takes a lot of energy to keep that going, and I chose not to invest that kind of energy after I moved 1500 miles away from them. I keep the peace for the sake of my children. I did NOT say anything remotely hateful here; no name calling, no threats, nothing vulgar or obscene. To say otherwise, is an exaggeration – a stretch to say the least and I stand by that firmly.
Finally, just because I do not care for a few episodes of Jon and Kate doesn’t mean I have to stop watching the show all together. I don’t run my life in a black or white mode and know of No Rule requiring me to stop watching if I have a complaint with the writers. Two episodes of Boredom is not cause to permanently stop watching the show. IT”S OKAY, not to like an episode here and there. Really, its okay. The writers are human and in my opinion missed the mark and their attempt at using Filler material is obvious and BORING to me. And it’s okay for me to say so. It doesn’t mean I hate the writers, needs to change the channel and never have an opinion about the show or Jon and Kate’s love life.
I am not trying to change anyone’s opinion of the show. I enjoy differing opinions. That’s why I put on my Big Girl panties when I post on a message board. It would certainly be nice to get back to discussing the subject of Jon and Kate Plus 8, and have all of you stop attacking me because I expressed dissatisfaction with the writers. Geez Whiz Wally !
Repost – I have a QUESTION.
Does anyone remember this show on cable tv?
A few years ago there was a cable network show about a couple having twins and then six kids. For whatever reason, they had to move in with the Mom’s parents when the babies were born. I think the Dad was unemployed. It didn’t work out so well and the couple and their kids moved out.
The Mom and her mother (kids grandmother) did not see eye to eye on the day-to-day routine for the kids. Both were controlling and wanting things done their way – hence the tension.
At the time and even still, I believe this was a retelling of the Jon and Kate story. I would be guessing to say it was televised on either Lifetime or Oxygen, but I am not sure.
Did anyone else see this show? What is your take on it?
No.
all of you stop attacking me
Cookie822, please refrain from characterizing everyone on the thread like this. You called others thin-skinned earlier (post #43), insist you have not name-called (post #50,) and continue to SHOUT your QUESTIONS. I am saying this as someone who shares some dissatisfaction with the writers. Thanks.
I did think the interview could have gone further with the “why can’t you go back to not being public” thought. Not that Kate has to do that. But I do disagree that she can’t go back to a private life. She said they will write about her in magazines no matter what, and was actually saying at one point it would last four weeks after she would go out of the public. Well, wouldn’t the natural train of thought be that it would eventually go away?? Just wished it wouldn’t be accepted as fact that she has to stay in the public eye because there is no other choice, no “going back.” I think she can do what she wants and actually wish her good luck with a public future focusing on her. Just want more honesty. – Cincy Mom
CincyMom, I agree. I don’t necessarily buy that Kate believes this either, but I think she considers it the best answer to give. I think she is caught in a difficult trap. The show has brought Kate and her family many blessings, but it has also brought an equal amount of pain, embarrassment and sacrifice. I could be wrong, but I think Kate feels that she has forfeited many good things and put up with a lot of abuse from the public and media to make a better life for her kids and she doesn’t want to just walk away from the rewards the show has brought.
I think finances remain a worry for her. I understand that. She has been honest about genuinely liking being in TV in some capacity. Just because she likes it, doesn’t mean it will happen, but I don’t think it is *wrong* of her to pursue this. Lastly, I do believe her on the most important question – I think in her heart she doesn’t think the show or any of her career aspirations have hurt the children. I think she is probably hoping to ride out the worst of this storm and come out on the other side with something to show for it. For her sake and the kids sake, I continue to hope she makes it.
I thought Kate was pretty honest about why they can’t go back. She has said she needs the paycheck. She has said she can’t support the kids in the style she wants them to live on a nurses pay.
Cookie, the show you mention does not ring any bells at all. Do you have a title? Or perhaps can identify who some of the actors were? Then we could google it.
I finally watched the interview last night. I guess there really wasn’t any more to say. As far as the asking questions and answering them, I don’t think it is a stalling for time tactic, just an annoying habit. Some people do that, just as some people talk about themselves in third person.
I think if you went into this interview liking Kate, you still do. If you went into it hating Kate, you still do.
There are things about Kate that I like, and things I don’t like. The interview didn’t change that. I think she truly has her children’s best interest at heart. I think she might be misguided on what is best, but that is something she is going to have to live with. She is their mother. I don’t like it when she talks about the children deserving “the world on a gold platter,” or they deserve that house. Material things are not going to make the children happy. Every mom wants to give their child things they didn’t have growing up, but I think you can get caught up in stuff(imo)–but again, that is her decision.
I think Kate is very honest about her shortcomings. I think she is naive to think that the show didn’t affect her marriage. She will never know if they would have been together without the show. I do think they had a dysfunctional relationship, but maybe they would have worked through it without the public scrutiny.
I think back to a special about the Dilley sextuplets. The dad stayed home when they were toddlers because the mom could make more as a nurse. The dad would pour cheerios on the floor and they would swarm to get them. He said that that’s where they were going to wind up anyway. They have all grown up to be happy healthy kids. The Dilley’s made their choices, the Gosselins made theirs. That is the way it should be. It just bothers me when Kate acts like their was no other choice and that it has had no ill effects on the kids. Any choice you make in life(my own choices included) affect your kids for good and bad.
Kate can certainly be more private. Last time I checked there was no gun held to her head that required her to discuss her divorce. To me it would be enough to say “that is private, don’t ask me again”. Let the tabloids speculate and write what they will, they generally do anyway.
I identify in so many ways with what Kate is going through. As far as I have read, Jon isn’t working except for those interviews with Insider, and Kate is not privy to that money. The TLC money comes in both their names since they are on the contract. That leaves Kate in the difficult situation of paying the house payment, even if only temporarily after the divorced is finalized. With joint custody, half the time Jon has the kids, and the other half is Kate’s time, that sets the scenario for no child support changing hands – a wash if you will.
Frankly, if I were Jon, I would approach the situation like this. Ask TLC to drop the lawsuit and allow his other interviews. In exchange he could offer to sign a new contract allowing the kids to be filmed with both parents. Since I am a believer in “taking the high road” (wearing the white hat when possible), I would like to see Jon and Kate on the same couch doing interviews, even if they are filmed with the kids on separate days. This would allow the kids to see their parents together being civil, which is really important since it is on tape as well, for all posterity (or posterior LOL).
As for that made for television movie, I wish I could remember the title. First, I am not even sure the names Jon or Kate were used. It began with a couple having infertility problems and I don’t remember if they had kids already, but I think they did. They got pregnant and the husband lost his job. The maternal parents insisted they move in when the couple could not afford housing expenses. They set up baby beds and prepared for whatever. I don’t remember if the Mom went to the hospital for bedrest but I think so. The tension arose when the kids all came home and the Maternal grandmother was watching the kids while the mother worked. The Mother wanted things done a certain way, and the Grandmother did her best while the Mother worked. There was friction mostly caused by the persnickity Mom. That sounds so much like Kate wanting things done her way or hit the highway. The father was much more passive. At some point he got a job, they got a house and moved out. There was distance between the grandparents afterwards. In essence, all this sounds really similar to the Jon and Kate story. I have absolutely no recollection of the movie’s name – none. At the time, I remember asking myself if this was the unauthorized story of this (Jon and Kate) couple. The names were probably changed since Jon and Kate probably received no money for this; they have never indicated they sold their story for a movie.
For the last two or three years, I have wracked my brain to remember more, but can’t. I was really hoping someone else might have some memory of it.
Actually, that sounds a lot like the movie about the Dilleys (except they didn’t have any older kids). It was called Half a Dozen Babies. I can’t find a detailed synopsis, but it did involve them living with her parents. The family was upset with the portrayal of the grandmother. I guess they had to create some conflict, so they made her out to be a control freak.
This is based on the true story of Keith and Becki Dilley and the Dilley sextuplets, born in 1993. Half a Dozen Babies is a 1999 American drama ABC Family TV film. It stars Scott and Melissa Reeves.
I finally got around to watching Kate: Her Story (love my DVR). I didn’t learn anything new but I did see a different side of Kate, I’ve seen her cry before but the emotions seemed different to me this time. Kate, as always, chooses her words very carefully.