Kate Plus 8 premieres on Sunday night with two one-hour specials. Share your reactions to the show here.
Kate Plus 8
6th Birthday Surprise
Another year has flown by for Kate and her adorable kids. The little ones are turning six, and Kate’s planning a special birthday filled with exciting celebrations. Will she be able to keep it a surprise or will she crack under the pressure?
Inside Kate’s World
Spouting the mantra of “Kate Clean Slate,” the newly single Kate Gosselin has already become a new woman in a matter of months. In this episode, see a unique behind-the-scenes glimpse into the daily life of Kate Gosselin.
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Not sure I will be able to watch tonight but will try and catch the show tomorrow or later this week. I am hoping someone will keep me updated here.
I am watching. The kids have grown up so much. Joel is just adorable, they are all are. Aaden is so talkative. I’m quite interested in the second show that’s coming up.
I’m Lovin’ it! I love how the kids have all changed, but they are all still the same, personality-wise! And this segment on the hair is really great – I love her reaction to it all.
The second show was really good. Very interesting with input from others. I say it’s a must-see for Kate bloggers.
It was on in the background.
Gosselin fans will love both shows. The first will overload you on ‘cute.’ The kids are getting bigger, but they are still adorable. Discovery Cove looks fabulous. I want the Gosselin kids’ work! I love my job, but I don’t get to ride dolphins or hand feed birds.
Their reaction to seeing the camera crew was adorable. I noticed the older girls weren’t on as much as they used to be. I will be watching to see if that is how it will be for now on. I suspect they aren’t as “in” to the show as they were when they were younger.
The second hour was all about Dancing With the Stars, the hair extensions, and responding to the haters. Ha! Meredith Vieira made a few blogging enemies tonight. She’s very supportive of Kate and admits many working moms struggle with the same insecurities Kate does. Uh-oh!
I have not seen the first hour yet…darn those hockey playoffs! But I did manage to wrestle the remote for the second hour. I really enjoyed it, reminds me once again why I even began blogging about the Gosselin family! I wish with all my heart that some of the critic’s could be reminded that this is a real family. Kate Gosselin is not playing a character on a show, she is a real person with flaws (like the rest of us) ! Her emotional response to the stresses she has experienced show that. I’m happy to see her back…but sad for all the family has had to endure this past year. I also think Jamie & Steve are pretty awesome, loyal & brave friends, I’m thinking it’s a pretty safe bet that Steve’s wife must be pretty great too! It takes a very secure & confident woman, not to buckle to pressure from hateful gossip’s.
I enjoyed seeing the kids and hearing them speak like little boys and girls, not babies anymore. So much for all the advocates saying the kids were behind. They are fine. Not sure about all the “planned” events. Kind of felt that everything was done for them, they got on a plane, and voila! Here are pinatas, here is a cake with dolphins, etc. I was kinda calculating dollar amounts in my head. But they enjoyed themselves and that is all that really matters. Happy Summer!
I enjoyed both shows. The kids got so big and sound so cute. Glad they got a nice little vacation for their birthday. (oh, I can hear the moans gurgling from the murky moat below)
I liked the second hour, but why even bother repsonding to the haters? Who cares what they think. It was neat to see how things came about, like DWTS, the extensions, etc.
Those penguins were absolutely adorable. I thought both shows were excellent. I loved the kids’ reaction to the return of the TLC crew & the crew’s reactions to the kids as they chased each other through the house with crew and kids laughing their heads off.
I loved both of the shows. The kids have really grown a lot, but are just as adorable as ever. Seeing the kids reunited with the crew was priceless………it was so cute, they wanted to show them everything and right now and all at once……..LOL!!! Normal kids!!! So glad they got the chance to have such wonderful adventures!!!
The second show was very enlightening, I felt. Just to see how much she goes through in her busy life, and she is so open and honest……even about her shortcomings.
I remain a huge fan!!!
Two good episodes. It was great to see the kids in the first; they are talking so much more clearly! I loved Hannah saying that Mady had hit her for “no apparent reason.”
The second was pretty raw. I thought Meredith Viera was a very articulate advocate for Kate.
It’s interesting to see the relationship between Kate and Steve Nield. He’s obviously more than a bodyguard. By that I don’t mean anything salacious. Seeing him buck her up for the booksigning and take care of her through the horrible day that she found out about the custody suit was enlightening. I can see why she depends on him. I really felt for her saying that she had this secret fear that she was a horrible mother.
I really liked seeing other perspectives on Kate. I still can’t believe Jon filed the custody suit without any warning to Kate.
I enjoyed both shows but the second one even more than the first.
The first hour was much like the original show that drew so many people. The kids do draw people in, They kids are growing up and it is much more interesting to here their take on things that happen. The trip seemed fun and the house did seem calmer. I did notice Mady and Cara on less except during the trip and I am sure that is good for them. It strike me again how hard it must be for those two to have six younger siblings that garner so much attention.
The second hour brought home more about what Kate is dealing with and addressed broader issues that get little discussion.
- Kate must have some kind of charisma to have so many people so passionate about her.
- The fascination with her hair is strange – why do so many people get worked up about how she wears her hair.
- Why does wanting a career she enjoys make some decide Kate is a bad mother? And if that is the standard, why aren’t other mothers involved in television or movies vilified as much as Kate?
I do not care in the least what kind of spin the FCA’s put on the shows. I saw well loved, healthy, happy, normal, smart, articulate, joyeous, and smiling 6 yr olds and typical 9(almost 10) yr olds. A thousand yrs ago when I did my student teaching I had a Mady center of attention wannabe. I do not envy Kate tween time in the least.
How cute was Aaden with his bird book and spotting?
Meredith Viera, that guy (??? cute though), the People woman, and Steve (whew, hot & that accent….so fine!) were so supportive in opposing the mean, hateful non-fans. Yay Meredith, cute guy, People woman, and Steve. Your support was awesome.
I think now that TLC should do a show that showcases IW and all the other Kate fan sites.
I really enjoyed both shows. Those kids are getting so big! I couldn’t stop laughing when the kids were running all over the house with the camera crew, to cute.
The second show was very good also. I also enjoyed the other perspectives of Kate. It just reaffirms my personal belief that Kate is much harder on herself then any of realize.
Diane-I think you’re right about Kate being harder on herself than any of us realize. I think that’s true of most dedicated mothers. In her case, I think even when the marriage still existed and was happier, she worried constantly about giving each child the attention he or she needed and not letting anyone get lost in the crowd.
Even though I wish the kids weren’t back on TV, it was nice to see how much they’ve grown. Discovery Cove does look to be a lot of fun- will put it on my vacation list! It looks like the younger kids really do enjoy the camera crew & that they are part of their family.
Didn’t care too much for the 2nd episode- enjoyed Steve’s accent!
Hi. Does anyone know who Jamie is? Is she a friend to Kate? How about her kids? Just wondering.
I thought the show was extra cute.
I watched, not a fan of Kate, but keep up with all things Gosselin.
I have never thought that Kate and Steve had a thing. I truly believe he is to keep Kate “under control” so to speak. I think that is his role. Sortof a personal assistant, however I think he gets his direction from TLC.
Again, Mady melting down and I think she will have resentments about all of this for years to come.
I don’t care what Kate does for a living but I think the trade off for her children’s lifes played out on TV remains to be seen.
Last night’s show summed it up for me…this is simply a TV show to entertain. Far from “reality” in my mind.
Love Colin and when Mady is happy, she is very articulate and a pretty little girl.
Things I loved:
-Kate being so concerned that Alexis not miss out due to her illness. I totally understood the mommy guilt there. I was so happy that Alexis got better and Kate took the time to take her to do everything her brothers and sisters got to do.
-It’s so much fun to see the six talking more and their personalities shining through. Hannah seems less shy. She was smiling and talking as much as Alexis and Leah. Leah cracks me up. She did most of the talking for the six. She is so articulate and adorable. Joel still kind of stays in the background. I think that his just his personality. It’s great when he opens up more though and really shows excitement.
-I loved all the people who stepped forward to speak for Kate. I wish there was even more of that. I think Meredith Vieira and Kate Coyne (People) spoke with passion and conviction beyond that of journalists covering a story. I think they felt the need to speak up on Kate’s behalf. I am not sure about Coyne’s situation, but I think Vieira definitely relates to Kate as another working mom who has been judged unfairly by others.
-Kate cracks me up. I loved her describing all the “reasons” the kids would melt down.
-I understand some are concerned about the effect of everything on the kids – particularly the older ones, but I really don’t see anything alarming. Mady has a large personality. She was completely charming at points last night. As she matures, she will learn how to focus her charm in the most positive direction. She will also learn that while the six may get more attention for their birthdays, she only has to share hers with one person. Most parents know that birthday jealousy doesn’t only happen in families of multiples. The good news is most outgrow it!
Anya………..I guess I’m lucky that my 2 sets share the same birthday so maybe I won’t have to deal with a Mady type moment. You are so astute in your description of her. She certainly seems to have the gift of gab like her Mom. That melt down was nothing more than a moment in time and should not overshadow all the other moments of Mady positivity.
Glad I got to see both epis last night. My observations:
The kids have grown so much – they seem to be happy, well-adjusted and articulate kiddos! I loved that they had the opportunity to talk about their trip.
Mady and Cara have matured the most IMO. Mady was cracking me up when she was on the interview couch – such a “tween” she is now – talking all fast and so animated!
I never believed any of the rumors about Steve Nield, but I have to say that I have a new found respect for him. He really knows his stuff and cares about his job. He had such good sound advice for Kate when things weren’t going so well with the custody hearing and book signing.
I think it is great to hear Kate’s side of things during DWTS, custody issues, worried about being a “bad” mom, etc. It showed a much more raw side of her that I’m not used to seeing – and I think that’s a good thing.
Does anyone know when the next epi will be airing?
I’ve always felt a sort of empathy for Mady. I was the third girl of 4 kids born within 7 years of each other. No. 4 child is the only boy and was one of the cutest babies ever. As for the competitiveness, my mother resolved one major source of contention (who got the biggest piece of any dessert (measured at the sub-atomic particle size level). My no. 2 sister, who was and is the most precise of us, usually did the cutting. My mother kept her honest by making the rule that whoever cut the pie or cake chose his or her piece last (they were VERY even slices of cake and pie!<g>)
Mady always has struck me as the child who has struggled the most with being in a big family, especially tranferring from being one of two adorable twin baby girls adored by the whole family, to suddenly playing second fiddle to both the burdens and the joys of six adorable siblings both pre-and post-natal. OTOH, with Mady, her bad moods strike me as being like a summer electric storm: quick to develop, intense while it lasts but short in duration, and the sun comes out once the storm is over. I think it’s striking that, when the kids got their crooked houses, she turned hers into an animal hospital. Kate once described Cara as being a lot like Jon, in that she will keep her feelings bottled up inside for prolonged periods until, with no warning, something unplugs the dam and you get the accumulated feelings in a torrent. The twins are at the age when where whether or not something is “fair” is an overwhelming concern. Neither Mady nor Cara articulated it but I doubt they could help but compare the 6s’ birthday with the paparazzi/PR nightmare their father turned their last birthday into.
I loved both episodes. The kids have really grown. They were all so happy.
I have 4 kids and once or twice they have had the “not my birthday” meltdown. Not a big deal, let them compose themselves and move on, Kate handled that well. The older the kids get, the less meltdowns there will be.
I’m so glad people are speaking out on Kate’s behalf. She is just a working Mother like many, many other women.
I’m sure the GWOPers will find a lot to complain about. They just don’t seem to understand that it doesn’t matter if they like Kate, if they watch her show they are only helping her ratings. I personally would not waste my time watching a show I didn’t like.
The first hour was so cute. The kids are getting so big. The trips are obviously enriching opportunities. I saw them learning about manta ray anatomy. I saw Aaden identifying birds with his little manual. So cute. The “child advocates” are almost physically unable to be happy for these kids. Instead they waste their time obsessing over “damage” or “trauma” which they are looking so hard for, don’t have any control over and is really none of their business. So negative.
The second hour was enlightening. People may call Kate polarizing but not for me. I definitely don’t hate her and I don’t love her. So I didn’t watch it as a fan. I almost considered it research. She is so unfairly criticized, I feel compelled to defend her. It may have been easy for the haters to tune out the first hour but I bet many of then couldn’t stay away from the second. She is their addiction and obsession.
Teresa E says….It may have been easy for the haters to tune out the first hour but I bet many of then couldn’t stay away from the second. She is their addiction and obsession.
I think you right, Teresa. They are completely fixated on their dislike of someone they don’t know and never will. And then they try and turn it into some great calling. Give me a break.
I noticed even the ones who claim they didn’t watch all have the same tired talking points. It leads me to think instead of watching Kate, they were instead reading everything they could get their hands on about Kate and the show. A little unclear on the concept, if you ask me.
Nancy, I appreciated the rawness too and I think it is good that the show didn’t shy away from showcasing Steve’ influence on Kate. Kate appears to me to be someone who favors a very tight, loyal circle. I can’t blame her one bit.
Nancy, I heard the next special is slated for July 11st. I just read it on a blog, though, so I am not sure if it’s true.
in discussing the shows iwth friends of mine this is some of my thoughts. i copy/pasted but the thoughts/discussion should be clear…lol
i watched both shows last night. really liked the last one best. i really like her hair like this. especially seeing the old style again (the show before the new one last night) and then the new one. it looks trendy and fresh and it suits her. i do not think she has had any kind of enhancement on her face. well except for teeth whitening.
i think she’s pretty. i think she has been through a huge change and come out strong, not speaking out against the people who hate her, not snarking on jon and his many girlfriends…but going on with her life and doing things others might not agree with but that she thinks is what is best for her and her kids. i think she is a strong woman.
boob job? yeah probably. does it matter to me? no. lots of women do, not my concern.
kids? i think being higher order multiples they will look younger and be smaller, plus they are asian and asians are usually not tall people. i think some of them are starting to look less asian. a couple look a lot like kate.
i agree that mady has had a lot of behavioral issues all along but with the year the kids have had with the divorce etc i think they are still adjusting and mady is one to act out more than the others. i agree that she has charisma and will truly shine as she matures.
career? i think being on tv is a career/job, just as anything else. she has a work schedule, she gets paid, she is on contract…she gets perks…what is not a job/career about it? though i hate to say the word envy i truly think people hate the fact that she gets perks/freebies/the life they would love to have, and they don’t.
i liked the last show best. it kind of gave me insight into kate’s life that i hadn’t had before…and made my previous opinions more solid. i think she is a severe type a personality, has an attitude that she does what she thinks is best despite what anyone else thinks. in other careers this might be considered an asset. for kate it’s something to be hated…double standard for sure.
i think, no matter how she got where she is, she works hard to be there and it does provide nicely for her kids. she also seems to be a good mom and the kids obviously love her. it looks like she is a mom who has a lot to do and does it and is less emotional a mom than i certainly am. i think she looks to the well-being of her family with gusto and does a good job at it .
i am interested in seeing the other new show twisted kate. i will probably watch the shows if i am home. if not i may dvr them.
this is to many comments that were dissing kate on certain topics.
all that said, let me put this out there. if someone you knew were to get her hair cut exactly like kate’s and show you would your opinions of it be the same as on kate?
if someone you knew said they were wanting to get breast implants and went to kate’s size and not over-the-top like pamela anderson would there be such a clamor about it?
if a sister were to be talking about her child’s behavior and it was just like mady’s would you be calling her a brat? or maybe saying it was a phase and to find out what was bothering her etc.?
my point is ONLY that i think when it comes to kate the things she does or the way she looks is ridiculed and hated because it’s kate and not because of the action/appearance itself.
i get that not everyone is going to like the same people etc but i guess it just bothers me that things that kate does is held to a different standard than if it were a friend/family member doing the same things.
i also wanted to say that i do think the kids bond with and are friendly with everyone ie, the cops at the airport, the crooked houses guys, the discovery cove people…and while i think this is indicative of a confident and loving children i also wish they were less familiar with people they just meet.
that said i think the crew certainly is part of the family. just as the old crew was. and i think it’s great that the kids feel that way. it really speaks to the fact that, to the kids, this isn’t work at all but just playing with people they love and are familiar with.
it bothers me that so many people want to put a pedophillic spin on that relationship and assume that no one has done background checks on these people and that they are all prone to abuse kids. how sick of mind does this make the ones who assume this?
The older girls have grown up so much that I had more trouble telling them apart unless they were side by side. I was saying before the show started that I didn’t want to see the meltdowns, just kids being happy. I didn’t think Mady being upset wasn’t anything compared to some of her former meltdowns. She’s growing up. She acted so mature on the couch and I thought it was cute how talkative she was about what they had done. I don’t doubt that it is hard for the older girls to see the young ones get so much attention, but they weren’t left out of any festivities…it’s just sib stuff. It all looked like kids being kids.
Kimmie, good points. Every detail about Kate is extrapolated to the nth degree. They seem like any family USA to me. (except there’s more of them).
I think now that TLC should do a show that showcases IW and all the other Kate fan sites.~Lindsey
I love that idea.
I want to see the second one again. I was getting sleepy and there was a lot of info after watching the kids run all over the place for an hour. There were so many cute moments. I loved it when one of the boys said “we think policemen are awesome.”. I hope they remember their dolphin ride for the rest of their life. Who would want to take that away from them?
Is it just me or did everyone else notice…wasn’t there a whole lot of cleavage going on??? Kate looks great, don’t get me wrong, kuddos to her! I’m thinking she should just maybe take it down a notch in the wardrobe department since this show is about her being a mommy? Sometimes more is more and you can still look hot!
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Outside of that I enjoyed the first show, didn’t see that second hour yet though. It was good to see how happy the kids were to start taping shows again and to have the crew back in their lives.
Well, I just have to say that I LOVED every minute of each show! In fact, since I was in bed all weekend dealing with my fever, I had the chance to watch all of the episodes leading up to the premieres and I have to say that even though it really broke my heart back then, that their relationship ended in divorce, watching Jon slur his words and lie on camera (“I did not ever cheat on Kate,” , “I was just at the wrong place at the wrong time,” etc. and so on…) made it so much more clear to me that this was the right decision for everyone. Did that make sense??
In addition to watching Jon sit there and try to form complete sentences in the episodes from a year ago, it was also sad watching how much pressure Kate was under trying to hold her family together.
Therefore, the two shows last night just confirmed what I gathered ~ that Kate is better off with things this way because of his instability. Hopefully he will get it all together and emerge out of all of this a different, better father and man. Until then, it was so great that the kids were all so happy and well-adjusted.
I also loved the way that Meredith Viera supported Kate and hopefully made the “haters” realize how utterly ridiculous and childish their behavior has been.
As I said before, if I end up in the hospital, I will keep in touch and let you know! What a blessing it is to have so many of you praying for me, refocusing me on the positivity that is there in ANY SITUATION!
Love and blessings to all!!
Praying for you, Jacquelyn!
. (I don’t imagine that would be the case with Brad and Angelina’s brood). It kind of made me sad that Jon has messed up his life so much. I enjoyed it when they were all together. He probably would have enjoyed the trip. I know it is her decision how she dresses, but just from a comfort standpoint, I wouldn’t have traveled in the high heels and short skirt. (wrestling children and short skirts don’t go together well:)
Looks like they had a great time in Florida. Although I know the paparazzi drives them nuts, I live in Central Florida, and never knew they were here
I found the second episode interesting. I thought Steve was around for the wackadoo haters. It never occurred to me that he might be needed because of over zealous fans.
Jacquelyn said … ” watching Jon slur his words and lie on camera (“I did not ever cheat on Kate,” , “I was just at the wrong place at the wrong time,” etc. and so on…)”
Actually, he didn’t cheat on Kate. Kate called it quits with him in late 2008. She wanted a career. She even said that the reason she and Jon split wasn’t because of any infidelity, but because of differences between them.
http://www.realitytvworld.com/news/jon-&-kate-jon-gosselin-kate-gave-up-on-marriage-in-october-9346.php
From Jon’s interview in US mag(this was the mag where his face was front and center on the cover), he said “”October of last year — that’s when all of this happened,” Gosselin told In Touch. “Kate basically came to me out of the blue and said ‘I am done. You are going to live your life, and I am going to live my life.’ I was like ‘What?’ I didn’t really know what was going on. When she said that, I was really upset and nervous.”
According to Gosselin, he was hesitant to end the marriage and wanted to attempt to resolve the couple’s issues.
“I think she initiated the split because she wanted a career. Maybe I wasn’t sure what I wanted to do, and she was going to move on regardless. I said ‘Are you sure about this?’” he told In Touch. “I asked ‘What do I have to do to mend the relationship?’”
Gosselin told In Touch that he wanted the couple to go see a therapist together however Kate rejected the idea.
“In December, I went to therapy. I asked Kate to come but she didn’t want to. She said, ‘If you have a problem, go fix it,” he said.
Although he had claimed to be part of “a loving family and couple” when the initial reports the couple’s marriage was on the rocks had first surfaced in March, Gosselin now says that he and Kate had actually begun living “separate lives” two months earlier.
“We went to Utah on January 1. On January 12, she flew back with security and I stayed. That’s when I started to just hang out and meet people, and feel free,” Gosselin told In Touch. “When I came back on the 17th, Kate and I weren’t talking. So I just said ‘I’m moving out of the house,’ and that was it.”
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This coincides perfectly with Jodie and Kevin’s claim (from their may 2009 radar online video) that Jon and Kate had ended their marriage in late 2008 and that they were acting like they were together for the public so that they could continue filming. Kate even insisted that he could have girlfriends. That is why Jon was out and about all the time in early 2009. Tabloids were saying he was out around bar hopping back then, then he was caught at a college co ed party with the college women’s volleyball team playing beer pong, and then caught with Deanna Hummel. All this within a space of several months.
lisa said:
Is it just me or did everyone else notice…wasn’t there a whole lot of cleavage going on??? Kate looks great, don’t get me wrong, kuddos to her! I’m thinking she should just maybe take it down a notch in the wardrobe department since this show is about her being a mommy? Sometimes more is more and you can still look hot!
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Outside of that I enjoyed the first show, didn’t see that second hour yet though. It was good to see how happy the kids were to start taping shows again and to have the crew back in their lives.
June 7, 2010 at 4:07 pm
1-i noticed but thought it was the camera angle a lot of the time. while i may have not chosen to be on camera in a bikini she looks good enough and i’m glad she’s confident enough, considering everything she’s been through with jon’s infidelity, that i didn’t think it was vulgar or too much.
2-like i said above, maybe take into consideration the upheaval of their family life when talking about any of the kids…and i have a huge problem with calling any kid a brat.
lm i only have this to say about your post: in order to believe that you must believe jon…and i really hate to do so because he has proven to be more than dishonest in his past previews…same with jo & ke.
I’m on the side that says no boob job. Kate’s are up and down and all over the place depending on the dress, bikini or casual versus dressed up. I’ve seen enough post baby boob jobs to know that they don’t move at all. They don’t move if you are on your back, in a comfortable bra running errands bra or a fancy wonderbra. They only seem to move in that they do an odd floaty thing in hot tubs. lol- We are seriously discussing this poor woman’s boobs.
I think the best of the kids episode was Aaden with the bird chart. OMG, babies are just born who they are. So true the old saying ‘Show me a boy at seven and I’ll show you the man’.
i think kate is very pretty with her new hair and when she has on make-up. i think she is witty and straight-forward as well.
BUT ya wanna know what i think her best look in the whole 2 hours of the new shows? in the last show inside kate’s world when she found out about jon’s custody suit. when she came out of the hotel and had on no make-up, flip flops, her hair was curly and pulled back on the sides…she was in workout clothes. she looked almost like she did in the videos of her and jon on their honeymoon. i thought she looked young and fresh and sweet in that segment.
Sorry, LM, I don’t think many of are inclined to take the words of Jon, Jodi or Kevin as gospel.
Perhaps in his heart Jon doesn’t believe he “cheated”. There was a lot of disrespectful behavior on his part, however. Beginning an affair with your kids babysitter? Not cool.
On a positive note, it appears Jon is trying to move in a more responsible direction now and I applaud him for that and hope he keeps it up.
Jacquelyn, I agree with your points. Thanks for checking in. Thinking of you.
Wendy says…I found the second episode interesting. I thought Steve was around for the wackadoo haters. It never occurred to me that he might be needed because of over zealous fans.
I would imagine it’s a bit of both. There are some people on both sides of the aisle that have trouble with boundaries. Driving by the house and taking pictures or getting too close at a book signing isn’t cool whether you are a Kate fan or a detractor.
career? i think being on tv is a career/job, just as anything else. she has a work schedule, she gets paid, she is on contract…she gets perks…what is not a job/career about it? though i hate to say the word envy i truly think people hate the fact that she gets perks/freebies/the life they would love to have, and they don’t.-kimmie
Exactly Kimmie. She’s got a great career going, with great perks. She’s providing well for her family. They are…yes, here’s that word they claim they are not…jealous.
Therefore, the two shows last night just confirmed what I gathered ~ that Kate is better off with things this way because of his instability. Hopefully he will get it all together and emerge out of all of this a different, better father and man. Until then, it was so great that the kids were all so happy and well-adjusted.
I also loved the way that Meredith Viera supported Kate and hopefully made the “haters” realize how utterly ridiculous and childish their behavior has been.-Jacquelyn
Right on Jacquelyn! Btw, you are in my prayers.
I’m glad we heard from Steve. I think Steve and his wife are a huge influence for Kate and she has more than likely taken their advice on certain issues this past year. It’s nice that she has Steve as a friend. He seems like an honorary older brother type for her and you can see the mutual respect.
As for the boobs and her body…God bless her. She’s works hard for that body!
I am enchanted by Alexis’s continuing fascination with alligators. She’s still lugging a toy one around most of the time, and her reaction to the momma alligator was that the gator was “SO CUTE”.
One thing the garage cleaning segment made clear: the kids continue to use and enjoy the crooked houses.
I continue to be stunned by the number of people who clearly want to see the children troubled and traumatized now and/or in the future so that the kids can be used as exhibit A against Kate.
I honestly don’t care whether or not Kate had a boob job. I think she looks very natural, so whether it’s whatever nature and taking care of herself gave her or is the work of an extremely good plastic surgeon is irrelevant to me.
Anya@IW says, “Sorry, LM, I don’t think many of are inclined to take the words of Jon, Jodi or Kevin as gospel.
Perhaps in his heart Jon doesn’t believe he “cheated”. There was a lot of disrespectful behavior on his part, however. Beginning an affair with your kids babysitter? Not cool.”
Well, I’m just putting it out there. If you want to believe that Jon cheated on Kate, that’s your decision. But ask yourself, why would Jon’s, Jodie’s, Kevin’s stories all match up? Sure, Jon has made up with Jodie/Kevin now, but why would they collude on this one aspect back in May 2009 when they weren’t even speaking to each other? As for this babysitter? Who cares? He met Santoro at a bar and offered her a babysitting job. It’s obvious she was his squeeze first and babysitter second.
Kate in the end, after some prodding, has admitted herself that she and Jon didn’t break up due to any cheating. So, here we have Kate, with Jon, with Jodie, and with Kevin all agreeing that Jon did not cheat. There is not much to go on supporting that Jon cheated. Where is the evidence? Kate was the one who broke up the marriage and it was Kate was the one who initiated the actual divorce proceedings.
Of course Jon and Jo/Ke’s stories match up. What they reported about Kate supposedly ”cheating”, and the “contract”, came from Jon, and they said so. I don’t think Jon cut off contact with them as completely as Kate did. He gets along with them just fine if he needs them for something. Anyway, how would they know anything about J&K’s marriage if they were estranged from both of them?
Even if Kate told Jon it was over and “insisted” that he date other women, he knew he was still legally married. And he knew that they were (at the time, semi-) famous, and the world thought they were still a couple. He’s a big boy, he could have refused to go along with the “contract” and insisted on a legal separation. Or, he could have at least been discreet, or even not dated until they were divorced. In the eyes of the world, the way it played out, he cheated (technically, at least).
Well, I’m just putting it out there. If you want to believe that Jon cheated on Kate, that’s your decision. But ask yourself, why would Jon’s, Jodie’s, Kevin’s stories all match up? -lm
Because Jon and Kevin were whipped by Jodie, who was jealous of her sister-in-law, that’s why lm. Jon is teflon and when he should’ve been sticking by his life partner and his family, he bent and chose not to, which to me is a sign of an immature man. Jodie and Kevin lied, and Jon went in with them. Jon’s the one who checked out on his family long before their separation, no matter how you lay it out chronologically. (which I think really means nothing). Kate realized he’s not man enough to carry their family. He proved her right, now didn’t he? If Jon didn’t cheat on her or not carry out his husbandly duties, then they most likely be where they are today.
Btw. anything that came out of Kevin and Jodie’s mouth have been lies for profit.
I have no idea what the big debate is about Jon cheating. The definition of cheating is “having sex with someone other than your spouse while still married.” The divorce was final December 2009. Jon was with several woman by then. He had sex with other women while married to Kate. However, I do agree that his cheating did not cause the end of the marriage and Kate has never claimed it did. This information did not have to be prodded out of her – her earliest interviews on the topic refer to a change in goals.
My belief based on things both Kate and Jon have said is that things got progressively worse in 2008 as Kate traveled for the book tours and speaking engagements. He resented her travel and admitted on the show he did not like staying home with the kids full time. Kate said in a People Magazine article last year that she suggested Jon get a part time job, go back to school, or do volunteer work. He chose none of those. I do believe Kate decided around October 2008 that she couldn’t live with him like that and when he wanted to seek counseling suggested he fix himself. I can understand that as Jon seems totally aimless and ambitionless and I expect Kate was dealing with a whiny, resentful husband who was taking no initiative to do anything about it.
Although Kevin and Jodi went to Radar On Line in May2009, their claim was that Jon spoke to them in December 2008. I believe that Jon did talk to them – the problem is Jon later claimed that things Kevin and Jodi said were lies. Also, Kevin and Jodi got paid for their story from Radar On Line and Star Magazine which does make me wonder about their credibility. The bottom line is I think Jon exaggerated and/or lied to Kevin and Jodi about some things and Kevin and Jodi embellished what the did say to make it more worthy of the money they were paid. Besides ragging on Kate’s baking abilities and her behavior as a child, their claims were Kate came to Jon and told him the marriage was over in late 2008, that Jon believed Kate was having an affair with Steve (nice to start rumors with no proof), and that there was a contract that Jon could see other woman if he was discrete and didn’t mess up the show. I do not believe there was such a contract or Jon would have produced it during his “I dispise Kate” interview. Personally, I believe Jon made up the Steve-Kate affair story and Kevin and Jodi made up the contract story.
Paige-Excellent points. ITA. Also, I recall more than one interview in which Jon admitted that he hated going on the book tours and speaking engagements while Kate was good at them and enjoyed them. IIRR, the original idea was that, if he wasn’t happy doing them, then he could stay home so that at least one parent would be there, but then he complained about feeling tied down so they hired more help for him. His idea of expanding his horizons was going barhopping. The stories about him barhopping started when he was when he was at his mother’s, ostensibly helping her after she broke a bone, IIRR, and continued once he got home. My personal favorite was his explanation for being in Deanna’s car: that he was too drunk to drive (he wanted praise for getting a ride). If Kate did turn down counseling with Jon, I can see why; until he had some idea why he was so unhappy and what he wanted to do other than complain, I wouldn’t see the point of joint sessions either.
While I can imagine (and that’s ALL it would be, imagining) Kate proposing that they at least preserve the facade of the marriage for the children, I can’t for one minute that she gave him permission, much less put it in writing, for him to see other women so long as he was discrete. That’s something out of a cheating spouse’s fantasy list. In addition, what in Jon’s behavior could lead Kate to believe that he was capable of being discrete or controlling the behavior of any female he was seeing? I’ve seen Swiss cheese with fewer holes in it than in that story. I agree, Paige, that any such contract would have surfaced by now. As for Jon creating the Steve rumor, that’s cheating spouse 101 behavior. Project your wrongdoing onto your spouse so you don’t have to feel guilty about breaking your vows.
I think one of the most telling moments was at the younger kids’ 5th birthday party when Alexis, IIRR, told him that she missed him & he admitted that he hadn’t been around much lately. That was before the formal separation. I also was stunned when, while saying the correct phrases about being upset about the separation, Jon also said that he was excited. Kate looked shell-shocked on the other hand.
Jon made it clear that he wanted his lost 20s back. I think he loves the kids, but in his own way. In a weird way, it seemed like he wanted to be a fun uncle and leave the nitty-gritty of parenthood to Kate.
To me it doesn’t matter when Kate verbally told Jon the marriage was over, they were married until the day a judge officially ended the marriage. Jon cheated.
I watched both hours and liked the second best, although I was amazed at how grown up and articulate Mady was in this episode. She’s a handful, I’m sure, but she’s also an awesome kid. I also liked the “She hit me for no good reason.” I would be more than ok if the kids were totally off TV, but it was nice to see them and see how much they had grown and matured. I would love a special or two a year. The second hour I think I liked better because it showed a vulnerable and human side to Kate. I think there is a certain public perception and I think that really showed her dealing with what she deals with. I feel like critics think that because she appears to have money, buys nice things, etc. that the pain she goes through and the things she deals with aren’t as bad as someone else’s pain. I deal with chronic kidney infections and it sucks, it makes my life hell. My best friend’s mom was recently diagnosed with breast cancer (after 17 years clean, she had to have a second mastectomy), and it sucks. I feel like always trying to one up someone else’s pain really devalues what they are going through.
There is a really interesting video at radar, Jon high with Haley.
I loved it! The only thing I didn’t like was them playing the last episode of JKplus8. It made me mad all over again.
Sorry I have been MIA every where. I have been moving and packing and unpacking…..so tiring!
I do not believe anything that is printed by US Mag, Star, In Touch, or Nat Inq. They are RAG mags of the 1st order and print nothing but sensational lies on their fronts just to attract buyers. They take such liberties and twist and turn a normal fact into something vile and putrid. Anyone who believes what these rags print is very gullible. Remember these are the rags that continued to print that Kate was a diva and very disliked on DWTS even when it was proven that everyone of them really liked her.
Placing blame is counter productive anyway because at this point it is water over.
Under the headline ‘Why don’t TV execs believe you when you say you hate Kate Gosselin?’ at eonline.
1. So, how’d your plan to ignore Kate Gosselin’s return to TLC go? Terribly. The two Sunday prime-time specials, led by the Jon Gosselin-deleted Kate Plus 8, scored TLC’s biggest audiences of the week, per the Nielsen rankings: 3.4 million viewers and 3 million, respectively.
Read more: http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/b184804_admit_it_youve_got_crush_on_kate.html#ixzz0qIVwPL1f
I’m so very glad the ratings were so high……..it’s great to have the family back among us.
It continues to amaze me how many people are like the the poster lm……they continue to make excuses for Jon over and over again. How many women has the man gone through by now???…..I’ve lost count personally…..and at least several of them were before the divorce!! And yet these people believe every word he or Kevin or Jodie say…….even though they’ve been proven to be liars!!…….I just don’t understand where their heads are!!! *I’m shaking my head in disbelief*………and they also believe the trash the rags publish!!! (:>O)…..Whew!
It’s just so sad that so many people can overlook and excuse every disgusting thing Jon does and yet they scrutinize and find fault with every hair on Kate’s head (so to speak), every word she speaks, every move she makes. I’m just tired of it!!
Okay………I feel better now……..tuvm
Sixmom, I totally agree with you. Until they were officially divorced, they were legally married, and Jon was cheating. Being separated should not have given him carte blanche to run wild, which he did. I don’t buy this bit that he had permission to “cheat” … Cheating is cheating.
Count me in Sixmom and Judy regarding cheating. Totally agree with you.
Mariposa, great post #51. Well said.
If the haters believe everything of the rag magazines, why aren’t they all over Jon to dump his latest girlfriend, who according to US Weekly, “hates children”? They’re children advocates after all.
Lindsey said:
I do not believe anything that is printed by US Mag, Star, In Touch, or Nat Inq. They are RAG mags of the 1st order and print nothing but sensational lies on their fronts just to attract buyers. They take such liberties and twist and turn a normal fact into something vile and putrid. Anyone who believes what these rags print is very gullible. Remember these are the rags that continued to print that Kate was a diva and very disliked on DWTS even when it was proven that everyone of them really liked her.
Radar on line is owned by the same people that own the National Inquirer.
It is my understanding Jon told Kate he was going to divorce her, he was getting a lawyer so she’d better, too. When she agreed to the divorce, they agreed she’d be the one to file.
Isn’t that just like Jon – he’s the one who cheated, yet he can cry pity me, Kate filed I didn’t.
I agree with the other here – if he had any such signed document from Kate he’d produce it. He’d have given a copy of it to Jodi and Kevin to produce when the went publicly to bat for him.
That way he’d got the document out there without having to accept the responsibility for putting it out there. A perfect, typical Jon move, do the damage but set someone else up to take the blame.
There is no such document and never was.
Also, Jodie & Kevin say that Jon told them this. They never say that Jon produced the document for them to see and they never say they asked Jon to see it.
Something of that significance, wouldn’t that be the normal thing to do, is ask to see the document? Or when you went to someone with the such a story, if you had the document, have it with you to to show them?
I’d like someone to ask Jodie and Kevin why they never asked Jon to see the document.
Me again –
She told the plastic surgeon her breats had deflated. He told her to get a good bra. She said at the time she hoped he’d been willing to fix her deflated breats, too.
I don’t care if Kate got a boob job either. If she did, it’s very natural looking & appropriate – if she did and it wasn’t natural looking there wouldn’t be debate of did she or didn’t she.
If she did, big deal they’re appropriate, good for her.
I agree with those who shake there head at the different standards Kate and Jon are held to by people who hate Kate.
They believe every negative thing an unnamed sourse says about Kate and excuse any positive thing a named For example, unnamed sources claimed Kate was a diva on the set of DWTS so it must be true. When Pam Anderson, Niecy Nash or Tony or anyone else refuted the claim, the response was that they were lying and selling out to TLC. Some former babysitter sold a story to Star saying that Kate beat her children and drank a bottle of wine every night and they act as if that is the gospel truth.
On the other hand, every negative thing that comes out about Jon is ploy by TLC to bring him down – with Kate as a willing accomplice. Behavior that cannot be denied is justified and excused by the way Kate treated him for 10 years. Even now, they are suggesting Jon is a victim regarding the “stoned” tape on Radar OnLine and that he should sue.
What if Jon was the one who gave ROL the tape?
If Jon gave it to ROL and tries to blame Hailey, Hailey likely will call him on it. Unless they are both in it together to try to profit. Will be interesting to see if and what any comments from either of them come regarding this.
It’s typical fashion for Jon to try to destroy or feed off what ever Kate’s current endeavors and successes are. Even going back to “Multiple Blessings”. He only wanted his name added as a co-author once he saw the book was doing well.
Jon is a victim alright. A victim of his own actions.
stxmom says: “To me it doesn’t matter when Kate verbally told Jon the marriage was over, they were married until the day a judge officially ended the marriage. Jon cheated.”
So, is marriage just a piece of paper? Is the wedding ceremony pointless? Can a couple be considered “married” only when they’ve filed the actual marriage license at city hall? What about vows and spiritual intentions?
Like it or not, Kate didn’t want to deal with Jon anymore, she didn’t want therapy, she didn’t want to salvage her marriage, and even insisted he could get girlfriends.
This was the day the marriage ended, not when some city official stamps their divorce documents.
Ziggy says: “I’d like someone to ask Jodie and Kevin why they never asked Jon to see the document.”
What document? The actual written out contract? I highly Jon and Kate made up a contract for this. First, a contract of this nature would illegal. It was more of a secret agreement between them to part but keep everything else a secret so that they could still profit from the show.
whether you like it or not, everything fits Jodie and Kevin’s story that Jon and Kate broke up late 2008. From Jon’s ABC interview with Cuomo, tabloids, Jon’s interview, to all the small details…everything.
From that ABC interview with Cuomo, Jon said that he was extremely angry with Kate and that there was no chance of them getting back together. Why would he say this and why was REAL anger pouring out from him? Did you guys watch this interview, he was really upset with her.
Why would this be? If he cheated on an unsuspecting Kate, she should be the one who was really furious and not him. If anything, he should be apologizing. He was furious because she was throwing him under the bus and implying that the marriage broke up because of his infidelity when in fact it was she who ended the marriage.
Here is a woman who berated her husband for breathing too loudly, for not using a coupon, became estranged from her siblings because of money issues, got angry when her yogurt went missing, and yet she could totally control emotions when it comes to Jon’s supposed cheating?
I feel sorry for her. She needs real help. One day when her kids grow up and ask about this event, they’ll question Jodie/Kevin, they’ll question Jon and his family and realize the truth. They won’t be mad because their mom caused the separation, they’ll be mad because of the deceit and betrayal surrounding it.
As for Jon, I’m not going to defend a grade A douchebag. If I was Kate, I would never have married such an immature man.
MarieS- you commented that you didn’t think Kate has had a boob job. I will respectfully disagree because I myself have had one & for whatever reason I can spot a boob job a mile away. I had my implants in 2006 under the muscle & mine look extremely natural. People are usually surprised to find out that I have implants because of how natural they look.
In the episode where Kate had her tummy tuck consultation she asked about a boob lift and the surgeon told her to get a good bra instead- I believe she finally decided to get implants because it would make her feel good about herself. I think she looks great! I hope I look that good when I’m her age!
Im I have no problem with your point trying to sell your point of view on the divorce there are a lot of people who believe what you believe. But for you to state that Kate is the one to blame for all the deceit and betrayal for the divorce is a pretty poor choice of words to sling upon anyone. The bottom line is they are young children and children do not have to hear the nuts and bolts over why their parents were unable to keep the marriage together. Here’s a question for you is Kate is so sick as you say, how come we see no legal proceedings against her ? Have we seen headlines in the news about Child Protective Services at their home and any actions? The custody agreement has been dropped which mainly has much to do about money more then anything. All the children are in school if there were any valid indications of the children suffering abuse in anyway that would have made into the news because that is part of the school’s responsibility now to report abuse. Kate is not perfect and she is going to continue to make mistakes she is human. If any good came out of the last year with all the gossip is that Kate has and continues to evaluate her behavior and actions and that is a positive. Not all of us learn life’s lessons the first time around but willingness is a big factor in learning to grow and change.
Great post Diane! Spot on!!
Did you guys watch this interview, he was really upset with her.-lm
Yeah, I watched this interview. And, I thought the same thing as Chris Cuomo…you don’t say you hate your wife/mother of your children on tv. Jon came across in that interview and others as a total childish idiot.
lm, it’s apparent that Jon has had issues, both with substance materials and extracurricular activities that he partook during the time of their marriage. To me, his anger exhibited that childish person who was not getting his way because it would affect their family in a far worse way than one could imagine. Kate wouldn’t budge, he was mad and angered. Guess what? Man up Jon. Life could’ve been great for him if he chose to focus on and realize that his family and wife were the important things in life. HE got caught up in the material things and fame.
He should never have done that interview (like that) or any of those Inside Edition interviews. He should’ve kept quiet like Kate during that time. But, oh no…that’s right his stupid ass lawyer and brother and sister-in-law were feeding him with lies and using him.
“got angry when her yogurt went missing”
Oh my, if you’re talking about the yogurt (actually, it was “yoghurt”) here of all places, you need to do a little research, and educate yourself.
LMAO, Kiki
Nice catch. That is soooooo funny.
Kiki, Ha! Thanks for the laugh.
If they’re still talking about the yoghurt, I just can’t take ‘em seriously, lol.
Kevin and Jodi’s story is the same as Jon because Jon is their source. That’s the story he told them. They said so. Of course their story is the same as his.
I don’t doubt there were marital problems in December or that they Gosselins might have been avoiding each other/not talking. They were still married. Count me in the group that defines adultery as sex with someone other than your spouse while married. No, marriage isn’t just a piece of paper, but that legal bond is an important part of it. Marriage is a public institution. There are witnesses and divorce proceedings for a reason. The marriage lasts until the divorce is finalized. Cheating is cheating. Jon cheated. Maybe Kate didn’t care (I don’t believe that,) but there were eight young children invested in the success of that marriage, so let’s call the betrayal of vows what it is.
Jacqueline, craftymom, so good to see and so many other posters again.
I learned something about boob jobs! I vote that she had one, and that it’s none of my business! Theresa is right, she works hard for that body. Kate is a beautiful woman. I think, sadly, many of her detractors are jealous of that fact. Not all, of course, but many.
Yogurt went missing???
lOL, lm, are you joking?
The fact of the matter is, that none of us know or will ever know, exactly what happened. If their divorce is typical, they don’t know the truth themselves. It is the “truth” from each of their point of views. I’m sure there is plenty of blame to go around. The only thing that seems clear to me, is that post-divorce, Kate has done a better job from a PR standpoint and seems to have the future of the kids in mind. In a strange way, she should probably thank Jon. I doubt she would have had the success she is experiencing, without all the hoopla of the past year.
Erin Kate says: I feel like critics think that because she appears to have money, buys nice things, etc. that the pain she goes through and the things she deals with aren’t as bad as someone else’s pain.
I totally agree. I think it is very misguided and frankly arrogant to make these type of assumptions about anyone other than those we really know well. I believe Kate has been through more things we don’t even know about. (What she has been through that we do know about is pretty daunting.)
I totally understand and respect Kate’s desire to secure an upper middle class living that allows her to send her children to the better schools and colleges, have adequate space for their large family, and even enjoy a few luxuries. That said, there is a price to be paid for being in the public eye and she is paying it. In addition, it doesn’t shield her from many things people of all incomes and backgrounds have to face.
There is no need to be jealous of Kate. And there is also no reason to resent her.
IM-I’m baffled at your assumptions. Try the real world where cheaters are often not contrite & instead project their misdeeds onto their spouse in order to justify their actions. There are also a lot of potential reasons for Jon to be angry at Kate including the fact that instead of being the awkward, socially inferior spouse whose clothes he had to pick out, she was the one who found she was good at public appearances and who learned to dress well on her own. His resentment of that came out in interviews even before the separation. Are you actually saying that any man whose wife yells at him is justified in cheating? I don’t justify all of her behavior but he was incredibly passive aggressive. The kids may well be angry at lies & deceit, but I haven’t seen any untainted evidence that it was Kate who was lying & deceitful.
Wendy says: The fact of the matter is, that none of us know or will ever know, exactly what happened. If their divorce is typical, they don’t know the truth themselves.
Good points, Wendy.
Anyone who has ever been close to a couple who is going through a divorce knows this to be true. Personally, I have a close friend who was recently divorced. Her divorce actually makes Jon and Kate’s seem civil.
As much as I adore her, I take her “version” of events with a slight grain of salt.
So few things in life are black and white.
That said, it is impossible to ignore HOW Jon and Kate have each handled the last year.
Kate = either at home caring for the kids or working
Jon = partying, multiple girlfriends, drinking (and more?), long stretches away from the kids (not for work)
I’m not defending or accusing anyone.
It takes two to make a marriage work.
Unfortunately, it only takes one to destroy it.
I taped it and I can’t wait to make some comments !!
I taped it and I can’t wait to make some comments !!
Lord help us all!
Nice to see you, Erin Kate!
lm, constant repitition of the phrase “like it or not” does not make things that are highly in dispute (or simply opinion) magically factual.
Not the yogurt again………
Kate getting mad over invisible yogurt..lol
Stu..step away from your DVR.. it’s not worth it!!
Finally got up the break down of all advertisers on both shows.
Anya, you are absolutely right. Actions speak louder than words. Kate actions have secured her children’s futures. Jon’s actions came close to destroying it. Wha ever went on between Jon and Kate, Jon had no right to be spending the family’s money on his bevy of bimbos. I watched a bit of the 6th birthday again last night, and I just kept thinking what a nitwit Jon is. He could have been there, enjoying his kids,too. Maybe, he is happy with the way things are. I have a feeling that he will be a constant source of irritation for TLC and Kate until the kids are grown and he doesn’t have any say. (Although, Lindsey is grown, and Mr. Lohan continues to be a pain in the patooty.) Having said this, one thing just occurred to me. I feel sorry for Kate. She does seem to want what is best for the kids, and she will always have to deal with whatever Jon exposes them to during his time with them. Everyone flips out about Steve, but he seems like a nice, stable man that loves his family. It is nice for the kids (especially the boys) to have a role model around.
In a strange way, she should probably thank Jon. I doubt she would have had the success she is experiencing, without all the hoopla of the past year.- Wendy
I know what you mean. She can send the chattering haters and the rag mags a thank you also. I am sure she isn’t grateful for their “help” in adding to scandal, though. I wouldn’t be.
Anya, I agree there is no reason to resent or be jealous of her. Her lifestyle, materially, is not out of reach. She’s paid for it.
Ziggy,
I looked at your sponsor list. You are very thorough.
The list is interesting. I had no idea there were that many commercials, but I remember most on reading this.
Now, let’s see how many naysayers turn off their intel chip-driven computers in protest? I predict: ZERO.
Intel inside goes far beyond just their home comptuers. I think one would be hard pressed to find any product today in which there isn’t an Intel driven computer some how involved in the making, processing , distrubtion and sales.
Their kids report cards could well be generated by a Intel driven computer.
What they are going to do – Dear Ms/Mr. Teacher, I’m sorry I can not read Johnny’s report card as it’s generated by a Intel computer and I’m banning Intel?
Dear Mr/Ms Banker -
Please send me my bank statment hand written as I can not use a computer generated statement as I”m banning Intel?
At the grocery: Please add my groceries up by hand, I’m banning Intel.
UPS – please process my packages manually…
Need I go on?
Thanks for all your hard work Ziggy. Now let’s hope that all the FCA’s will boycott Intel so it will free up the internet and give real advocates more speed.
Lindsey says: Thanks for all your hard work Ziggy. Now let’s hope that all the FCA’s will boycott Intel so it will free up the internet and give real advocates more speed.
You and Ziggy are cracking me up! Thanks for the laughs.
I took a look at your list. Much as I would just love to contribute to the latest boycott, I don’t think I have it in me.
-No Snickers or ice cream? = Not happening.
-No Disney or Old Navy? = Don’t think so.
-No AT&T? = This is one I could get on board with, but my cell phone contract isn’t up for another six months and momma needs her i-phone!
Well, I for one am certainly not doing without Little Couple I want to see them have that baby and see their neat new house. I’ve followed them from the beginning and darned if I’ll stop now.
Did anyone else read the latest Kate’s Take? Kate confesses to a new trait: she is continually late now that she has added a lot of things to her plate. I seriously disagree with her conclusion that this is the sign of an over-achiever.
Being late is excusable on occasion, but it is not a sign of a perfectionist or over-achiever, IMO. If people say “Oh they are always late” I think, “Oh, they are always rude.” This is a pet peeve of mine. If I am late (and I am occasionally) I admit I am wrong.
My parents had eight children and plenty to do and if they arrived ten minutes early, they felt 20 minutes late. Anyone else?
It could be either. When my kids were young, I was nearly always late everywhere and it was because of having a lot to do all the time & never enough hours in the day to get all that needed to be done in that day. My daughter tends to be late because she is what I refer to as a ‘moseyer’. She never gets in a hurry for anything.
Hi my name is momsby…and I am a moseyer. I could blame it on the fact that my kids are moseyers also…but that would not be entirely truthful. I’m un-organized plain & simple, I don’t mean to be rude and I do try but sometimes times just gets away from me. My mom likes to tell people, I was born on my due date, but I’ve been on Momsby time ever since. Mr. Momsby…a type A is ALWAYS early, sometimes too early. Needless to say when we are preparing for an appointment or an outing…things are sometimes tense. I love it when he’s packed up the kids & is sitting in the car & I’m still not even dressed …well not really. It is amazing how guilt can speed up the process though;0
Momsby, you made me so laugh.
Well, I have to correct you on something – I’m type “A” and I’m very seldom on time. I think that’s because I have to make sure everything I think needs done is done and ALWAYS run out of time. Opps, did I blame that on my kids in my previous post? Outted myself!
Momsby, Oh my daughter drives me nuts sometimes! When I push her seems like she just get slower! So I’m learning to just try to bite my tongue. Notice, I said ‘learning’ not accomplished yet! The only thing she was ever early for was her own birth and it’s been hurry up and wait on her ever since.
I heard some shrink say one time that it’s an act of rebellion against society’s rules. That’s crap. I just run out of time, it has nothing to do with rebellion.
It is amazing how guilt can speed up the process though~Momsby
Momsby, that was so funny. I love your imperfections. Just call yourself “laidback”
I heard some shrink say one time that it’s an act of rebellion against society’s rules. That’s crap. I just run out of time, it has nothing to do with rebellion.~Ziggy
Who has time to rebel?
Momsby, Ziggy, you are too funny.
I saw somewhere that Kate and the kids are getting a chicken coop. I think it was gossipcenter. Does anyone else remember Kate saying she took care of chickens when she was little? I think it was on the show when she took the little boys out to the dude ranch.
Oh good grief. People still believe the yogurt story! LM is propogating it on the Kate Plus 8 Facebook page. I find that extremely frustrating.
Teresa E
I went over to that page and can’t find it. Not sure if I have the right Facebook page. It is the one with over 700,000 fans?
What is the yoghurt story? I missed that one. What is the khaterz version and what actually happened?
Pam-the Kate Plus 8 facebook page does have 713,249 fans. Just put Kate Plus 8 in the search box and you’ll get to it.
PeggyP,
Back in September and October 2008 there was a blogger named “Pennmommy” who claimed to have been one of the volunteers who helped feed the Gosselin sextuplets as infants. She was the ideal “insider” because she trashed talked Kate in the nicest possible way, lol. Her stated intent was to show support for Aunt Jodi’s sister Julie by starting her own blog and telling her own story. The “yoghurt” (her spelling) story was that she finally quit helping the shrewish and ungrateful Kate Gosselin when Kate had another volunteer call the myriad of helpers demanding to know who stole her yoghurt, then ask them to stop coming to the house.
Gosselins Without Pity and Julie, Jodi’s real life sister threw their support behind her. You can just imagine how this all fanned the flames of hate and indignation against Kate Gosselin.
The moderators of Gosselins Do Not Need Our Pity, the blog ImperfectWomen grew from, proved that “Pennmommy” was no Gosselin insider. She is a California woman, TV consumer, and atheist blogger who was making the whole thing up. I think GWOP and Julie were embarrassed (I hope so.) Neither ever directly addressed it.
Many of us here were reading back then, so the idea that the “yoghurt” story is still being spread around as true is annoying and/or laughable. That LM would try to spread it here, where the mods who exposed the whole two-month long Pennmommy lie, and many of the same bloggers who witnessed it comment, is just absurd.
LM, I hope you are reading this.
Ann-Thanks. I had heard of the Pennmommy debacle but not this aspect of it. They haven’t learned. Their current star is a purported police officer calling “himself” Kelly.
Pam,
Yes, it is that fan page. It is in the Discussion tab. I forget the topic title but it is a poll about when Jon and Kate broke up (something she seem so be obsessed about) and has “yogurt” in the title.
Years later, Pennmommy is still potentially causing damage. I hope most of the fans outside the Gosselin blog community don’t read that and believe it.
Ann:) I don’t know if I can take another visit with LM being informed how I need to be saved from the Kate Voodoo Spell she has us all under:)
That being said , I was curious what the “hater blogs ” really say. So I have gone and read their commentaries to see for myself. To be honest their rhetoric is based on Kate’s outfit of the day and how inappropriate it is or fake teeth, fake boobs or a comment that was made 3 years ago. It is like being a box with negativity suffocating the life out of me.
So I guess the point I am trying to make is if you are trying to educate me with your beliefs do it a way that doesn’t attack Kate or Jon or the kids in a respectful manner.
PeggyP,
I meant to add that Pennmommy spelled the stolen item “yoghurt” with an “h” not “yogurt.” The whole thing was a nasty work of fiction, which I bought hook, line, and sinker. Most of the posters here from that time caught on quickly.
I share your suspicions about Kelly. I think the “protest” that never was is a big clue to who “he” isn’t.
Theresa E.,
I went to the fan page and linked to this comment. Is LM just a troll stirring the Pennmommy pot for kicks or is she really mistaken? It’s hard to believe that anyone who read that story missed the conclusion: PM is a fraud. Maybe she found the story out of context somewhere.
Diane,
I agree that the negativity is depressing at times. I read a few of the blogs off and on. Mostly it’s the same old, same old.
Actually, the gwop incident only proves that someone claiming to be pennmommy posted from California. Sometime ago pennmommy deleted her blog and I would imagine that that someone saved her text and posted them on the comments section of gwop.
Take a look at the following saved text.
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Thursday, September 11, 2008
Ethics and warm fuzzies
First, I want to start by addressing a commenter who is stuck on one question.
I find it interesting you won’t verify if the tups have started preschool. I am not asking for the name….but it is certainly a way to alleviate some suspicion of your authenticity.
She has asked the above question so many times that it’s almost comical. She goes on to say that, by answering the preschool question, it would prove my identity.
Fiona, I have stated time-and-time again that I will NOT answer questions like this. I “find it interesting” that you can’t understand why I won’t. The children have a right to privacy. No amount of badgering from you (asking one question over and over) is going to change my mind about that. The real question is: why would you want to jeopardize their safety and right to privacy just to decide if I’m legit or not? That’s really silly! If you want to know about their educational status, then why don’t you pick up the phone and call your good friend Kate Gosselin? Surely, to be so critical of my blog and opinions or others who feel as I do, you must have an “in”?
FIONA said…
PennMommy- I had an e-mail from a tabloid offering me money to share what I’ve seen/heard/experienced and it made me feel sick to my stomach. I don’t support the exploitation of anyone for profit.
So don’t take the money, or better yet donate it.
Wow. You just don’t get it, do you? This isn’t, and has never been, about money! If I gave this tabloid information, with or without money, then I would feel like scum. It wouldn’t be ethical! Keeping a blog, where I control the things I say (as opposed to a writer/editor paid to make things more interesting) is a far cry from giving a tabloid fuel. Tabloids want to sell papers. Even if I didn’t take money or donated it, THEY would make money. How is it that you can’t understand this? Jon and Kate are far from my favorite people. But, if I were to share my story with any publication, then they would have to agree with my decision to keep the article focused on the behavior of Jon and Kate. NOT THE KIDS!! Consider this, as one of many problems that could arise from tabloid stories: Mady or Cara go into a store with Jon or Kate and see themselves on the front of the magazine, under a caption about their parents questionable behavior. Or, more disturbing still, one of their school friends sees the cover while shopping with his/her parents. Who ends up being hurt? THE CHILDREN. On the other hand, how many six-to-ten year olds are googling “Gosselin controversy”, “GWoP”, “Truth Breeds Hatred”, or “Kate Gosselin shrew”? Not many (if any), I suspect. If they are, then their parents are dropping the ball.
On to the warm fuzzies…
Today, I was folding laundry and saw an episode where the boys were making a fish face. I couldn’t help but remember how, as an infant, Lexi would make the most hystertical faces! She’s the first infant I’ve ever seen who already knew how to roll their eyes. She loved looking at herself in a mirror, too. I remember that Mady would come make faces at her and she would get such a kick out of that. When Kate made her comment about sisters (and hoping the girls would stay close), I immediately thought of Mady and Alexis.
Posted by Penn Mommy at 11:34 PM
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This is clearly a blog post and not a comment on gwop.
lm thanks for the laugh.
Really, why rehash garbage?
lm, I am confused. Are you trying to say there were no posts about Pennmommy on GWOP? Are you saying there were only comments copied over from PM’s blog?
If so, there are many people who can tell you that is not the case. GWOP and Julie gave PM their full-support.
Diane says: So I guess the point I am trying to make is if you are trying to educate me with your beliefs do it a way that doesn’t attack Kate or Jon or the kids in a respectful manner.
Totally agree, Diane. I am glad you mentioned Jon too because I don’t believe the majority on this blog believe in trashing Jon just to trash him. Many of us have been labeled “Kate supporters”, but we started out as supporters of both Jon and Kate in the face of relentless and unfair criticism regarding their parenting choices and many other issues.
We may disagree with Jon’s behavior at times, but that is different from attacking him as a man or a father. You may see that on other blogs, but it is rare on IW.
LM — on a separate topic, I share Lily’s confusion. I don’t know what your point is. Ann laid out the facts quite clearly. You can read through the GDNNOP archives for more information or email one of us. I can only assume you came into this very late and don’t really understand what happened.
Lastly, GWOP and Julie Brown (Jodi’s sister) were not the only ones to throw their support behind Penn Mommy. Many of the smaller hate blogs (Moon’s, KateisaShrew, etc.) did also. They were just not as well known.
I can’t decide whether lm thought she’d found a treasure trove of long forgotten lore (has it really been almost 2 years?), or she knows the story behind it but figured some newbies would like it anyway (since ”maybe it is a lie and maybe it isn’t a lie”). Either way, it’s pretty sad if you have to drag that old stuff up to talk about.
Ann,
I don’t know if I would categorize her as a troll (of the hit-and-run variety) since she was poster on another Jon and Kate Plus 8 Facebook page that was started by fan. I know that she has been a member on that group for over a year and most of her posts were just links to Preesi’s scans (Need I say more?) with little or no comments.
My guess is that she may be trying to portray Kate negatively to the new, unsuspecting fans by bringing up the old ”insider” Pennmommy stories assuming that anyone who knows the truth has moved on and won’t correct the misinformation. But, of course, that is just my guess.
Ok, I’m newb. Ann has convinced me 99% that pennmommy was a hoax. But that still doesn’t change the fact that Jon and Kate split in late 2008. It still doesn’t change the fact that that yogurt incident could easily been true and certainly isn’t out of character for Kate.
Ok, I’m newb. Ann has convinced me 99% that pennmommy was a hoax. But that still doesn’t change the fact that Jon and Kate split in late 2008. It still doesn’t change the fact that that yogurt incident could easily been true and certainly isn’t out of character for Kate.
lm, I really don’t know if you’re a troll or really don’t understand the difference between “fact” and ‘opinion.” It’s your opinion that Jon and Kate split in late 2008; it’s not a fact. Furthermore, the evidence you’ve presented boils down to “Jon says it and Kevin and Jodi say it”, ignoring the fact that Kevin and Jodi said that that’s what Jon told them. It’s been explained over and over that it’s not like there is some mountain of evidence one way or another – it’s Jon’s version of events vs. Kate’s. You can choose to believe whichever version you prefer, but why do you insist on asserting that your version is a “fact” when it’s not?
As for the “yhogurt” incident, is spreading lies and then shrugging your shoulders and saying “eh, well, it could’ve been true” out of character for you?
lm: On what possible basis do you believe that the yogurt incident “isn’t out of character for Kate”?!?! Is it the same fables that come out of pennmommy and others like her. Kate is a Type A+ personality with some degree of OCD by her own admission, but I’ve seen nothing that would say that she acts like the fictional vicious vindictive “Kate” of pennmommy’s poison pen. I also am stunned by the lack of empathy and compassion in a lot of these attacks on Kate especially the ones targeting the period before the show when the 6 were infants. She had a high-risk pregnancy and the risk extended to heras well as to the babies, with the pregnancy putting extraordinary demands on her body and spirit. At least one mother of a high-order multiple set recently went into heart failure during delivery (thank goodness, she was successfully revived & is fine now). Kate spent much of the pregancy confined to a hospital bed mostly away from her two little girls. She underwent a caesarean section which is major surgery. She and Jon then had 6 babies in NICU. Jon was unemployed during much of this. When the babies came home, although they did remarkably well for preemies, they did have issues like feeding problems including reflux, breathing monitors, etc. that are common with preemies. She pumped breast milk to be split among them. For a woman who loved to be in control, she suddenly had to learn to deal with large numbers of strangers doing things for her babies that she wanted to be able to do for herself. I doubt that very many women, in her shoes, would be the paragon of sweetness that her critics demanded that she had to be and savaged her for not being.
I’m not saying everything she said or did during that time was perfect; she herself identifies areas where she believed she could have done far better. But the refusal of some to cut her any slack dumbfounds me.
Now that you are 99% sure that the pennmommy material is a hoax are you planning to delete it from the facebook discussion on the Kate + 8 facebook page? A disclaimer buried in the comments is not going to counteract having that poisonous hoax remaining there for others to read and believe.
Bravo, Peggy, BRAVO !!!!
Having one baby on a apena monitor is scary, much less more than one. Haters need to truly learn just how much Kate has been through.
I applaud you too, PeggyP. Great post.
However, no matter how much sense we make, haters won’t understand. They are incapable of grasping simple concepts. They only understand the pithiness they spin with each other.
lm, I really don’t know if you’re a troll or really don’t understand the difference between “fact” and ‘opinion.”-Jennie
lm, I’m about 99% with Jennie on this. But, from your posts, that 1% does scream “troll”. Glad she explained to you about fact and opinion. Maybe I’ll change my opinion of that 1% in the future.
Kiki, almost two years? Wow. You are right. Time is moving too quickly IMO.
It’s funny and maddening at the same time to have PM brought up again and given any authenticity.
Jennie and PeggyP — great posts.
Thank you, Ziggy, Theresa, and Anya. Great post, Jennie!
I’m not saying everything she said or did during that time was perfect; she herself identifies areas where she believed she could have done far better. But the refusal of some to cut her any slack dumbfounds me.~PeggyP
PeggyP, Ita and very well said. Not just some slack, but basic human compassion for how hard it must have been. The stress and worry of keeping a healthy newborn healthy and happy is a lot. I can see how the stress of carrying 6 would be a traumatic experience. I can’t imagine the worry and all Kate could do was lay there and try to eat. I remember watching the first episode of Raising Sextuplets and how scary it was for that mother. These women can’t even stand up, irc, she came close to dying from a blood clot in her leg.
After getting them all home it would be so hard to have to always turn my babies over to others just to keep them fed and clean. There’s no long period of time just to hold one of them. I used to love to rock mine to sleep. You can’t do that w/6. I would always feel guilty as if I was neglecting the others. It’s amazing to me that they always want to make it sound like it was so easy for Kate.
Wow 2 years and the rumors are still going. I will always find the PM saga interesting but how sad that ugly stuff is still being spread around.
I am not a hater and do not care about pm or yogurt or any of the other gossip that is being discussed here. If I were you, I would not even respond to that kind of thing because it just brings up old stuff and gives it a measure of credence. My strong opinion continues to be that it is wrong for these children to be working for the sake of the lovers’/fans’ enjoyment and their family’s income. However you want to look at it, filming is work. It is not their fault that their parents chose to take the risk of further multiples.
Is it wrong for all kids who are currently working in the film and TV industry to be working for lovers’/fans’ enjoyment? Do you never watch a TV show with a child under the age of 18? A movie?
Let us stick to this specific statement that you made.
Also, this is a website set up to discuss. People are welcome to come here and discuss Penn Mommy, gossip, yogurt and whatever else is on their mind.
Giving a measure of credence? That was done a long time ago by a group of people that were driven by their hate for a woman who were willing to believe anything some women said about the Gosselin family that lived in California and had no contact with the Gosselin family. We need to understand what happened two years ago and never, ever forget that lesson.
By the way, they did not just give “a measure” of credence. They gave several gallons of it and it just keeps on coming back and appears to have a life of its own.
I believe that it is wrong for any kids to be filmed in their homes and family environments regardless of whether it is tv or film. If, however, the parents decide to film their family lives I also strongly believe that is wrong for the parents to permit incidents to be filmed and broadcast that have even the remote potential to be harmful to a child’s privacy and psychological well being.
As far as my comment on the issue of credence, I thought that the pm debacle was put to bed a long time ago.
whatabouthekids says: As far as my comment on the issue of credence, I thought that the pm debacle was put to bed a long time ago.
Apparently not, by virtue of the fact that it was being discussed on a Facebook page just this week and the majority of posters seemed to buy the story hook, line and sinker. We need to remember that not everyone was blogging about the Gosselins two years ago or even one year ago and this is all new information to them.
I share Pam’s opinion that there are important lessons to be taken from the PM debacle. Lessons that actually go beyond Kate Gosselin or a blogger from Bakersfield, CA.
We will continue to discuss it whenever it is relevant to do so.
I think that, after all this time, ignoring the comments about PM would give them more credence. As Anya said, a lot of people aren’t aware of what went on and were buying that stuff again. (And, kudos to Ann, for setting the Facebookers straight.)
ok, I get why it is important to make sure the pm issue is dealt with. No quibble there.
However, I stand by my view that it is wrong for the Gosselin children to be working for the enjoyment of the viewing public and I have given my reasons. I think that is fair to express this opinion given that the thread is supposed to be about thoughts on the premiere. You asked whether I ever watch tv or a film with a young actor. The answer is yes, as I stated, but there are some key differences. For instance, I confess to watching Two and a Half Men and Jake would have been quite young when that show started out. There are many distinct differences here though — viewers have no idea where he lives, anything about his siblings, his potty habits, his tantrums, his issues, his parents, his house, his pets, etc., etc. He gets to go home at the end of the day to his private world. His school mates will know he is an actor but they also know he is playing a part not playing out his own life. I would hope that makes sense.
Yes, thank you Ann for getting that all straightened out. I sort of feel bad for not doing it myself but the story is so long and involved, I didn’t think I could do it effectively. Plus, I’m so jaded that I think the haters will believe what they want to believe.
What I’ve learned from this whole Pennommy thing is not only not to believe everything you read on the internet but the effects of such scams are long lasting. I mean, two years later and it is still going around and has potential to cause, and probably is causing damage. I’m sure the Walmart story is still going around the internet as well- another Pennmommy doozy.
whatabouthekids says: However, I stand by my view that it is wrong for the Gosselin children to be working for the enjoyment of the viewing public and I have given my reasons. I think that is fair to express this opinion given that the thread is supposed to be about thoughts on the premiere.
I see it a bit differently (obviously), but I think you make a reasonable case for your side on the issue of children participating in reality TV.
I can’t predict the future. I think most of us on both sides hope for the very best for the Gosselin children.
Ladies and Gentlemen, we have the genesis of the diva reports from the ill fated skating event.
From Alex McCord, RHofNY, in her current blog:
As she said on season two with a snarl, “If you hit me, I’ll hit you back.” If you throw a spitball at her, she aims an AK47 at your entire family and livelihood. I remember when we filmed the skating event with Johnny Weir in CT – Kate Gosselin’s bodyguard wouldn’t let Jill into the bathroom until Kate came out, making her wait. A seething Jill came back and whispered the story in my ear, finishing with “I’m gonna ruin her.” Because she had to hold it for a few minutes?
MarieS – let’s clarify please. This is Jill from RHofNY who said this because she was pissed about having to wait in a line?
thanks.
Nancy -
Yes, Jill Zarin of Bravo’s Real Housewives of New York. The quote comes from one of the Bravo sponsered blogs. It was always an odd story, right after this charity event there was a flood of gossip column items on what a diva Kate was, wouldn’t mix with the other celebs etc. I was in NYC at the time and it was amazing. Every single gossip writer had a story. It was picked up and repeated through a lot of the Gosselin sites. The genesis of it really had me wondering since it was so BIG in the NYC press.
Here is the actual blog post.
Wow, I still just really can’t believe how much damage all the Penn-Mom fabrications have caused. Peggy, Ziggy, Theresa, Kiki and The IW ladies once again I totally agree with all of your posts.
BTW, I am still dying of to know where PM & Fiona went after all that crazyness. I can’t help it, I’m nosy, I do wonder if they are still around throwing in digs from time to time.
Momsby, I’m not sure where your stopping point was. Fiona posted on GDNNOP for awhile. Then, she had her own blog for awhile. She was disliking GDNNOP. She took an avatar of one of the mods which was her little nephew and put it on her site to mock it as exploitation. Pennymommy kept blogging as Possummomma on her Atheist in a Minivan blog and got quieter. She got a grief on her posts, but still had some followers. Here is her blog.
I just got caught up on this thread! I was spending sometime on FB trying to explain Pennmommy. I guess it’s a bit hard to explain/understand if you weren’t following at the time. Teresa, I wish I saw your comment #108 explaining that LM is not a troll. You are right. LM posted the Pennmommy stories here and on FB without knowing that PM was already outted as a hoax. She asked some good questions, looking at it as someone who is reading it two years later. How I wish it were more civil over there. Yikes!
Why is it that some of the women who think Kate Gosselin is incredibly rude find imitating the trait comes so naturally?
LM, I disagree that we can know whether Kate would have freaked out about a ‘stolen’ yogurt. I don’t think everyone who ever said she had a problem with Kate Gosselin is a lying. I just know there is more to the story than what is reported. I also know a lot of these “classic Kate” stories are pure fabrications from attention-seekers. She yelled about some silly things on the show, IMO, but not many. I noticed Jon was usually on the receiving end and it was more a function of their marriage than the way Kate deals with everyone. Most honest moms will admit that they have been upset about silly things at times. I even know a parent who was upset about how messy a child got eating ice cream! And I still love him.
Just as silly are the people who think having two Christmas mornings is abusive, IMO.
whataboutthekids, I think you have expressed your opinion against the show very respectfully. You are not the only reasonable poster who objects to children being filmed on reality TV. I agree with you that there is a difference between child actors and children in reality TV, but I don’t agree that it will always or even mostly be damaging.
Paul Peterson doesn’t really make that distinction, I have noticed. He seems opposed to any child on TV. Maybe I am reading him wrong?
PeggyP, #111, great comments!
ETA- I just reread my comment. I don’t mean LM when I am referring to the uncivil comments on the FB Kate + 8 Fan site. There are a few others I had in mind.