By Stu
Our Administration says we are Human Rights Violators….What’s wrong with this picture ?
The Federal Government includes Arizona’s immigration law in its United Nations report on human rights violations.
Our State Department headed by Hillary Clinton presented a case to the United Nations showing how the Federal Government is correcting our Human Rights Violations in the SB 1070 law just passed in Arizona. It’s funny because the lawsuit was not about any Human Rights violations. The Federal Governments suit was basically saying Arizona can’t enforce the boarders because it’s the job of the Federal Government.
Let me get this straight…Our Government thinks we are so terrible that we need to be reported to and judged by Nicaragua, Pakistan, Russia, and China ……just to name a few of the Countries that sit on the Human Rights Council.
ARE YOU KIDDING ME !
If the United Nations wants to do something about human rights violations that are occurring to Mexican nationals they should start by looking at the president of that country whose abysmal policies have led Mexico’s own people to seek shelter and work in another country by any means possible–even illegally.
There is no other country in this world that is going to be taken to task for trying to secure her borders; America alone faces this challenge in the United Nations. What Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, and the rest of the administration call human rights violations the rest of the country considers as a necessary tool in securing our borders against an illegal invasion that threatens the livelihood–and in all too many cases, the very lives–of our citizens.
This is unacceptable and reprehensible. President Obama needs to realize that he is the president of the United States, not of the United Nations or of the world. His priorities lie first and foremost with us, but he just doesn’t seem to understand–or accept as fact–this simple concept.
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I don’t know Stu, I find this embarrassing and not surprised at the same time. I’m not here to argue with anyone but it seems like the President and Ms. Clinton wants open borders if they believe Arizona is violating Human Rights. I want to know about the Human Rights of US Citizens to be safe and protected. I need to think about this more.
So show me where the US government is giving Arizona the immense amount of money it takes to provide health care, schooling and other state provided funds to pay for the illegals that have crossed out borders. This is a very hot topic to those of us who live in Arizona. I’ve watched as my grandchildren have gotten an inferior education because the teachers have to pay an inordinate amount of time on the Spanish speaking students and giving them special attention while the legal American born students or naturalized citizens sit back and aren’t learning in schools becaue of this overabundance of illegals crossing our borders and flooding into our school systems. What is even more sickening is that the school districts want these illegals into the schools because it’s just more money for their education coffers but they also mandate that teachers spend all this extra time on teaching illegal students while our own children are ignored. I’ve even seen school districts bitch and moan because right after the law took place and some of the illegals were going back to Mexico and less were coming in before the US Government stuck their nose into our business, the school districts were actually complaining about losing the illegal students.
It’s the state not the US Government that pays all these costs. So doesn’t that give us the right to try and stop the illegals crossing the borders? I have a granddaughter who at 16 years old doesn’t even know how to tell time or read properly because of the lack of education in grade school due to all the attention being devoted to the illegals in her classrooms. I could go on and on giving examples of what our children have missed learning in our school systems because of the overpopulation of illegals in our state. I have nothing personally against someone coming from another country and wanting to become a citizen but that fact is that the majority of these illegals do not become citizens and do not ever intend on becoming citizens. Why should they? They get all the benefits without having to do the work to go through the proper channels to become a US citizen. The fact is that it’s against the law for people to cross the borders but the Obama administration says to ignore our own laws and let them come in to this country without any ramifications for entering illegally. Why have laws then? Seriously why if our US government says to let them come in and break the laws.
Another fact is that Arizona has one of the highest statistics on job loss and foreclosures. Guess what even US citizens trying to get any job at anyplace even at places like McDonalds, Jack In the Box, and so on can’t get even a menial job like that because guess who is getting the jobs? Yep, the illegals. We have seen story after story of construction workers that can’t find a job not because they aren’t out there but because construction companies are hiring the illegals to fill those jobs because they can pay them far less money and no benefits. Yes this is all against the law but who is policing these companies doing the hiring? Nobody! So our own citizens can’t get even the most simple job because the illegals are taking them. So is there any wonder why statistically we are among the highest of unemployment and the highest on the foreclosure lists?
So while the US Government says the laws from state to state can be ignored and the illegals are allowed to stay, the illegals can use our state benefits with our own state taxes but the burden is on the states taxpayers not the Federal Government. So open the borders and go ahead and let our own citizens and our own children suffer because another country’s people can break our laws without consequences.
Great article Stu.
When I first hear this story (on Fox of course, CNN, MSNBC and the other 3 major networks barely mentioned it if at all) I was stunned. I don’t know why I am, because this administration spends more time apologizing for America than they do anything else. With Council members like Saudi Arabia, Cuba and Mexico it is embarrassing that Clinton would name Arizona as a human rights violator. What happens if the Council decides to issue sanctions on the US for these “violations”? Will we agree?
I am tired of this administration thinking that we need to build bridges around the world by demeaning this country. We are not perfect, but to put us in the same category of countries that behead, stone, castrate and commit genocide is appalling. I cannot wait until November of 2010 and 2012.
Just so we are clear…..this administration is showing who they really are when you have facts that lead many people to sit down and go …what the ….
The above UN commission report
AG Holder suing Arizona Sheriff Arpaio in regards to how he enforces the law in his County of Maricopa.
Then Deputy AG Holder did not oppose the clemency release of the FLAN Terrorists even though the FBI did and Holder was opposed to it earlier. When he was called in front of Congress to answer questions about his position he refused to answer.
His law firm participated in representing Gitmo Detainees and as OUR Attorney General has not recused himself when dealing in their prosecution.
AG Holder is shelving the prosecution of the Cole bombing terrorists. An incident that happened on 10/12/2000 and murdered 17 soldiers. This has been heavily blamed on “Politics” and not wanting to start before the mid term elections.
So why does it seem the administration is more interested in protecting everyone else but us ?
Stu says….So why does it seem the administration is more interested in protecting everyone else but us ?
I think this is kind of an extreme reaction.
I am sure there may have been political reasons for including the Arizona law in the report – there is tension between Arizona and the Federal government on the issue of border control, obviously. Personally, I don’t think the Arizona reference had to be in there, but…
I think the State Department’s argument is a valid one too. This is part of what a spokesperson had to say:
“…The Arizona immigration law is a good example of how we are debating this as a society. There is a legal case ongoing. And this issue will be resolved under the rule of law.”
I do think we can demonstrate to other countries how a civil society handles disagreements such as these.
And it’s great that we are free to disagree with what our Federal government did in this case.
On a related subject, I really have zero respect Sheriff Arpaio. I think he is publicity hound who has caused more damage to his county than he has done good. I think he should turn over the records the Federal government is asking for. He is not running his own fiefdom, despite how he presents himself.
Extreme ? I really don’t think so. Just look at the overall positions that are being taken. That’s the difference I think of you and I.
The report that includes Arizona is a lie. The Federal Government is not suing for Human Rights Violations. The law suit is just about who can enforce the border. If the It’s funny because if they wanted to report Arizona over the law to the UN then they would have to report the Federal Government for the same law. How ironic…..this was all political and to placate the world body.
As far as Sheriff Arpaio goes… as long as he is elected I can’t say if he is good or bad. The people want him there, that’s good enough for me. He has been reelected since 2000 with 55 – 67% of the vote. I think the Federal Government is going after him to intimidate him and others from enforcing immigration law. If the Feds want you they can pretty much get you.
I agree with you that other countries just need to look at us as an example
Stu says…The law suit is just about who can enforce the border.
Stu, sorry. I didn’t mean “extreme” as an attack on your position. I agree — I think we just see things differently.
By your own words, I think you are agreeing this is somewhat of a “pissing contest” between AZ and the Federal gov’t - in other words – politics as usual.
I am not disagreeing there are things to be outraged about, but I just don’t even know where to start. Believe me, I am not a huge Obama lover. I voted for him over the other guy, but I didn’t think he was capable of miracles the way some did. He is just another politician and he comes with his own unique faults (the same as Bush did).
If it comes down to my country being willing to admit we are not perfect over “might makes right”, I am actually more comfortable with the first. In my heart, I think Obama wants what is best for the USA – his vision is just different from others. History will better be able to tell whose vision was more correct.
Sometimes I have a hard time with those on the extremes of both sides of the political spectrum, but I do appreciate the passion they bring.
Let me get this straight…Our Government thinks we are so terrible that we need to be reported to and judged by Nicaragua, Pakistan, Russia, and China ……just to name a few of the Countries that sit on the Human Rights Council.
I’m sure the government isn’t saying that we are so “terrible” – I’m not sure I quite understand the reasons for the report to the UN, but I don’t have a problem with it on the surface. However much of a problem conservatives have with the UN, I do think it exists to keep countries in check. I don’t believe the US should put itself above other countries in terms of letting itself be judged. Yes, human rights violations do occur in the U.S.; that is not the same thing as saying we are “terrible” or the worst of the worst. But we should still be accountable for them.
There is no other country in this world that is going to be taken to task for trying to secure her borders;
I really, really, really doubt this is true. I am sure other countries have border issues and citizens who have different feelings about those border issues.
What Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, and the rest of the administration call human rights violations the rest of the country considers as a necessary tool in securing our borders against an illegal invasion that threatens the livelihood–and in all too many cases, the very lives–of our citizens.
Again I disagree with the hyperbole here – it’s hardly “the rest of the country” vs. the administration on this issue. A lot of people agree with you, but a lot of people disagree with you, too, and I think it’s dishonest not to acknowledge that.
Jennie,
Yes some people are against the AZ immigration law but the majority of citizens are for it. I read today that over 20 states want to enact the same legislation that AZ has.
Of the 37 gubernatorial races this year, candidates in more than 20 states have endorsed adopting a strict Arizona-style or passing legislation that makes it harder for illegal immigrants to live, work and access basic public benefits in their states, according to a POLITICO analysis.
As far as Hillary Clinton going before the UN Human Rights Commissioner with the “Universal Periodic Review” which is a 29 page “report card” on America’s dealings with it’s own “human rights violations”, I found it ridiculous and insulting to the American people. The report is basically a “mea culpa” of America’s “wrong doings” to be judge by the United Nations members.
Such fair minded and equality driven countries as Cuba, China, Saudi Arabia, Libya, and Syria. Those countries hardly set the standard for tolerance and equality, in fact it is a joke that they are in the U.N. being that they all are guilty of years of human rights violations. When women have equality in Libya and Syria and people are free to leave Cuba then I will give a damn about what those countries think of us!
Again I disagree with the hyperbole here – it’s hardly “the rest of the country” vs. the administration on this issue. A lot of people agree with you, but a lot of people disagree with you, too, and I think it’s dishonest not to acknowledge that.
So basically you are calling me a liar….So as they say lets call a spade a spade…..
Rasmussen Poll 60% – 31
Rasmussen in Arizona 64% – 30 which is it really matters cause neither you or I live there.
Gallup Poll of 3/4 who heard of the law 51% – 39
Angus Reid Public Opinion Poll 71 % for the law
NYT Poll 51% for the law
The problem with your position is you just disagree and when you disagree it’s emotional and not factual.
I really, really, really doubt this is true. I am sure other countries have border issues and citizens who have different feelings about those border issues.
Really? Iran took three hikers and threw them in jail for crossing the border and they are still in jail. N. Korea took Lisa Ling’s sister and friend and threw them in prison. If it wasn’t for Bill Clinton those women would have been tried for treason and rotted in jail for most of their lives. FYI, when I mention being jailed in Iran or North Korea, I am not talking about prisons, like we have in the U.S, with television and exercise and three meals a day. These are horrible dirty disgusting prison cells, where one meal a day of rice or gruel is all they get. No exercise, no hot showers, and no legal representation! Where was the outrage in the World for this? Where was the United Nations Human Rights Commitee then? It was so loud it, was deafening! Lets not forget the Mexican southern border. We get chastised for trying to keep illegals out of our Country and when we catch them unless they have felonies or commit a crime against the Border Patrol we put them on a bus and send them home. Boy.. we are terrible.
I’m sure the government isn’t saying that we are so “terrible” – I’m not sure I quite understand the reasons for the report to the UN, but I don’t have a problem with it on the surface. However much of a problem conservatives have with the UN, I do think it exists to keep countries in check. I don’t believe the US should put itself above other countries in terms of letting itself be judged. Yes, human rights violations do occur in the U.S.; that is not the same thing as saying we are “terrible” or the worst of the worst. But we should still be accountable for them.
I don’t mind being held up to scrutiny. As a Country we can and always have corrected our sins and we continually will do so. But Gov. Brewer has said it best….
Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer rightly blasted Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and the Obama administration for succumbing to Brewer pointed out in a letter to Clinton, “Human rights as guaranteed by the United States and Arizona Constitutions are expressly protected in S.B. 1070 and defended vigorously by my Administration. In fact, the Department of Justice has correctly not included these so-called ‘human rights’ issues in the current litigation against the State of Arizona.”
Somehow, that inconvenient detail escape the report ….so who is not being totally honest here??
Just a little more info on AG Holder who as it seems doesn’t even check his own Depts. before making a fool of himself…..
You’ve heard a lot about the Justice Department’s lawsuit to stop the new Arizona immigration law. But that’s just one part of the Obama administration’s multi-front war on immigration enforcement in Arizona.
In addition to the drive to kill the new law, Attorney General Eric Holder is also suing the Maricopa Community College system in Phoenix, alleging it broke the law by requiring a job seeker to provide a green card before being hired. And on Thursday the Justice Department filed suit against the Maricopa County Sheriff’s office, run by the flamboyant Joe Arpaio, as part of an extended investigation into alleged civil rights violations there.
Despite the splash of attention from the newest lawsuit, the Justice Department’s investigation of Arpaio could end badly for Holder. When the Department first informed Arpaio that a probe was under way, back in March 2009, it sent a letter saying the investigation would focus on “alleged patterns or practices of discriminatory police practices and unconstitutional searches and seizures.” But now we learn that just six months before that, in September 2008, the Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency, known as ICE, did its own investigation of Arpaio’s office — and gave it a clean bill of health. Arpaio’s lawyers recently got a copy of the ICE report through the Freedom of Information Act.
ICE officials evaluated how the sheriff’s office performed under a law that allows specially trained local law enforcement officers to enforce parts of federal immigration law. The Maricopa County Sheriff’s Office, which is the largest sheriff’s office in the Arizona, has 189 officers who have been trained by ICE to enforce federal immigration statutes.
The report, crammed with acronyms and bureaucratese, is not light reading. But struggle through it, and the key sentence is this: “The OI and DRO supervisors consider the conduct and performance of the MCSO … officers to be professional and meeting the requirement of the MOA.” Translated, that means officials from the Homeland Security Department’s Office of Investigation (OI), along with officials from the Detention and Removal Operations office (DRO), concluded that the Maricopa County Sheriff’s Office (MCSO), in its handling of illegal immigrants, acted in a professional manner and complied with a memorandum of agreement (MOA) under which the government gave them the authority to enforce federal law. That agreement included a ban on racial profiling.
ICE investigators also interviewed top federal officials involved in illegal immigrant cases in Arizona. They found an “excellent” working relationship between the sheriff’s office and the feds. ICE talked as well to federal prosecutors in Phoenix, who described the cases brought by Maricopa County as “high quality.”
In all, it’s a quite positive assessment of an operation that just six months later would come under the Justice Department’s microscope for alleged civil rights violations. It also lends indirect support to Arpaio’s contention that the Justice Department investigation is politically motivated.
A tidbit of information contained in other government documents released under the Freedom of Information Act also suggests politics may be involved. Arpaio’s lawyers found a March 11, 2009, e-mail, sent just after the Justice Department investigation was announced, from an ICE employee to John P. Torres, then the acting assistant secretary of ICE. “Did you see this?” the e-mail said, attaching a news report on the investigation. “Yes,” Torres responded a few minutes later. “Interesting politics at play.”
What happens now? It’s been nearly a year and a half since the investigation began, and the Justice Department has not charged the sheriff’s office with violating anyone’s civil rights. Instead, Thursday’s lawsuit goes after Arpaio for allegedly failing to cooperate fully in the probe.
“It’s a totally political lawsuit,” says Bob Driscoll, a former Bush Justice Department Civil Rights Division official who is representing Arpaio. “They want to find evidence of discrimination, but all they’re finding is evidence of law enforcement that includes immigration enforcement.” (The Justice Department did not respond to a request for comment.)
Yay, Stu!!!
It makes me livid the amount of money being wasted on endless lawsuits against Arizona, when all they are doing is enforcing federal law. That is the problem with this administration and previous ones as well. They have the nerve to say, “It’s just a couple million, out of a trillion dollar budget.”
I’d be happy to have my taxes back that contributed to the “just a couple of million.”
Totally off topic, but did you know that “just a small portion” of the stimulus money is going to a study of why homosexuals in Brazil are depressed?
Leave Arizona alone, Washington, and clean up your own act!!
Such fair minded and equality driven countries as Cuba, China, Saudi Arabia, Libya, and Syria. Those countries hardly set the standard for tolerance and equality, in fact it is a joke that they are in the U.N. being that they all are guilty of years of human rights violations. When women have equality in Libya and Syria and people are free to leave Cuba then I will give a damn about what those countries think of us!
It’s not about what “those countries” think of us – it’s about holding ourselves accountable to our own ideals and owning up to it when we fall short.
I think in part our strength comes from being able to talk about our mistakes, rather than from pretending we are perfect and better than everyone else.
So basically you are calling me a liar….So as they say lets call a spade a spade…..
Rasmussen Poll 60% – 31
Rasmussen in Arizona 64% – 30 which is it really matters cause neither you or I live there.
Gallup Poll of 3/4 who heard of the law 51% – 39
Angus Reid Public Opinion Poll 71 % for the law
NYT Poll 51% for the law
So even by your own numbers, even the lowest percentage against the law is 30% – nearly 1/3 of people polled. Hardly “Obama and the administration” v. the rest of the country.
I have no problem acknowledging that the majority of Americans feel as you do – that does not make them right. But I do have a problem with you stating that everyone feels a particular way when that is far from the truth. Again, it’s hyperbole and while it may be a useful rhetorical device, it’s not particularly honest or fair.
Really? Iran took three hikers and threw them in jail for crossing the border and they are still in jail. N. Korea took Lisa Ling’s sister and friend and threw them in prison. If it wasn’t for Bill Clinton those women would have been tried for treason and rotted in jail for most of their lives.
Stu, you are proving my own point for me. You said no other country would be “taken to task” for securing their borders, but both Iran and North Korea were (and in the case of Iran, continue to be) subject to enormous international pressure over the cases you cite. As well they should be, IMO.
I will however, note the momentous occasion on which you actually gave Bill Clinton credit for something.
Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer rightly blasted Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and the Obama administration for succumbing to “internationalism run amok.” Brewer pointed out in a letter to Clinton, “Human rights as guaranteed by the United States and Arizona Constitutions are expressly protected in S.B. 1070 and defended vigorously by my Administration. In fact, the Department of Justice has correctly not included these so-called ‘human rights’ issues in the current litigation against the State of Arizona.”
Considering Brewer’s embarrassing behavior in last week’s debate (and before the press afterward), I find anything she has to say rather suspect. My gosh, that woman is an utter moron.
Again, this is all about POLITICS!
As long as those who elected President Obama upon ‘hope & change’…all paths are paved with good intentions. Eric Holder is taking that to the bank…Chicago-style. Brewer would be tagged w. ‘moron’…I’d like to know what Janet Napolitano would think of that when it was just shy of 2 yrs. that she too was begging Brewer-style for Federal assistance on the borders ASAP! Janet also thought well of Sheriff Arpaio…as do those he’s protected. Oh, I agree Brewer & Arpaio are no Obama/Clinton orators, but how does that take away from their own ‘good intentions’?
Jennie,
I agree with you that Gov. Brewer had a poor performance before the press last week and basically blanked out, but in no way does that qualify her as an “utter moron”. Members of both parties have made mistakes and said ridiculous things when interviewed.
President Obama said this when he was running for President:
“It is wonderful to be back in Oregon,” Obama said. “Over the last 15 months, we’ve traveled to every corner of the United States. I’ve now been in 57 states? I think one left to go.
Somehow , this hardly got a mention in the press!
If you want to talk about a “moron” about a Secretary of the Treasury, Timothy Geithner, who didn’t pay his own taxes! Joe Biden, although like-able, is his own “gaffe machine”!
If I had to chose one politician to be named “utter moron” it would definitely be Nancy Pelosi with her statement: “, to me nothing could be more idiotic and irresponsible than this!
As far as Hillary Clinton going before the UN with the report on our “human rights” failures and how we are “correcting them” this was just a way of trashing Americans that the Administration doesn’t agree with. President Obama is more concerned with the support of the Global Community rather than the supporting the beliefs of the majority (not everyone) of Americans.
This was wrong on every level! We may not be perfect and yes we have our faults, but I agree we do not need to be judged by Syria, Libya, China, or Cuba who are committing human rights violations every day, especially against women. The UN is a joke with countries like that as members!
Considering Brewer’s embarrassing behavior in last week’s debate (and before the press afterward), I find anything she has to say rather suspect. My gosh, that woman is an utter moron.
Can’t we apply the same standard to you ? It is obvious you are a liberal, or at least anti conservative. So you almost always have a negative thing to say when it doesn’t support your view. The Governor a moron….talk about hyperbole.
I will however, note the momentous occasion on which you actually gave Bill Clinton credit for something.
Pres. Clinton was a decent President. Just remember he had to come to the middle because Congress was Republican. President Clinton had a gift of relating to the people. President Obama seems to be lecturing and giving speeches rather than showing empathy as a Leader. We will see if Pres. Obama has the same sense to become more moderate to get the support of more of the Country.
Stu, you are proving my own point for me. You said no other country would be “taken to task” for securing their borders, but both Iran and North Korea were (and in the case of Iran, continue to be) subject to enormous international pressure over the cases you cite. As well they should be, IMO.
What pressure? In Iran they are still in prison. Korea…the only reason they let them go is what we gave them behind the scenes. My point is we are being taken to task for trying to secure our borders. So much so we are now being reported to the UN for it! We were lectured by the Presidents of Mexico on how WE should secure our border. Please…there is no comparison.
I have not had time to read all of the above posts but I do want to add one thing:
There is no doubt that the attack on Arizona by this administration is political. Whether you approve of his approach or not, Obama has decided either the Latino vote is more important than the beliefs of the majority of the country or he truly believes that the country would be better off with an open border and amnesty position. I am starting to believe that it is the latter. He truly believes his positions. How can you believe otherwise when all of his major accomplishments go against the wishes of the majority of Americans? ObamaCare, the Cap and Tax, Immigration, the Mosque, the economy, his foreign policies. On all of his positions on these matters, every poll (including the “liberal” ones) show that the majority of Americans are on the other side of the issue. This is astounding to me. Either it is arrogance or indifference on Obama’s part. Either he does not care how we feel or he is so arrogant that he feels that his position is the only one that matters.
Now he directs (and don’t think for a minute that Hillary did this on her own, Just like Holder is the scapegoat for the Black Panther and trying war criminals in New York fiascos, Hillary was directed to do this) Clinton to include Arizona in the UN report to show the rest of the world that we are not immune from having Civil Rights Violations. He wants to be the President of the World and he will not stop harming America to do so. November 2012 cannot come soon enough.
My point is we are being taken to task for trying to secure our borders.
As was Iran. Not that I consider Iran’s detention of the Americans to be equivalent to US attempts to secure our borders, but your claim that no other country gets “taken to task” is demonstrably untrue. Many countries have immigration issues, as well as illegal alien issues.
Can’t we apply the same standard to you ? It is obvious you are a liberal, or at least anti conservative. So you almost always have a negative thing to say when it doesn’t support your view. The Governor a moron….talk about hyperbole.
Yeah, people tend to say negative things about ideas they don’t support. Not sure I’m unique in that respect. I’ve never pretended not to be liberal, though I don’t consider myself doctrinaire (you’ll never find me with a “Free Mumia” bumpersticker, for instance). I’m not anti-conservative but I am anti-conservative views, in most instances.
I would call my characterization of Brewer intemperate but not necessarily hyperbole. Not comparable, in any event, to stating that the entire country disagrees with the administration. I was referring not just to the debate performance but the business afterwards, when she refused to answer questions about her lie/mischaracterization/whatever the hell it was regarding headless bodies turning up in the desert in Arizona.
If I was unfair to Brewer at all, it may be that I was guilty of conflating her with a few of these not-ready-for-prime-time candidates like Sharron “the press should be our friends” Angle (“We wanted them to ask the questions we want to answer so that they report the news the way we want it to be reported” – she really doesn’t get the point of a free press, does she?) and that ninny in Florida who didn’t know what the Japanese internment was or when it happened. One of the tenets of Tea Partyism seems to be a disdain for intellectualism which too easily morphs into disdain for having a brain in your head and even a workingmanlike understanding of U.S. history and civics. I have no respect for those who glory in ignorance. Maybe Brewer isn’t one of those; I really don’t know. But she’s either stupid or a liar; neither is a good thing.
Lincoln and Douglas, had nothing on Jennie and Stu!!!!
Which one am I ??
Yeah, people tend to say negative things about ideas they don’t support. Not sure I’m unique in that respect. I’ve never pretended not to be liberal, though I don’t consider myself doctrinaire (you’ll never find me with a “Free Mumia” bumpersticker, for instance). I’m not anti-conservative but I am anti-conservative views, in most instances
I’m glad you’re not in favor of Mumia, then I would know you went off the deep end! LOL. Well I agree with you.. just from the opposite side. Although I am not affiliated with any party I am a Conservative. I don’t appreciate your description of the Tea Party though. A large part of those attending the Tea Party events are Independents who voted for President Obama! I’ve listened to them and been to a couple of their gatherings. Why is it you pick on the few idiots to define a group? I might add a very loosely formed group at best. When the Eco Terrorist held the people hostage at the Discovery building I did not once think that he was tied to the “environmental movement” . When those idiots burned a Cadillac dealership in the name of the environment…not once did I think… oh those crazy Greenpeace people are at it again! You get my drift here.