While Kate Gosselin was busy working the red carpet for the Emmys, Jon Gosselin was busy talking to Rabbi Shmuley about how he is turning his life around.
“Jonathan Keith “Jon” Gosselin from “Jon and Kate Plus 8″ talks about how he is doing everything in his power to get his children off of television.”
You can listen to this interview here.
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Thanks to Mary for sending this link. It was interesting to say the least.
Blech, phooey, and hogwash. What is the deal w/this Rabbi? Jon is good good, oh ever so good. Kate is bad and wrong for being at the Emmys. I bet both the Rabbi and Jon would have been right at the Emmy’s (you know, if they had been invited).
The whole interview is a stinker.
The Rabbi certainly has a high opinion of himself, doesn’t he? Jon’s ability to delude himself is astounding. He apologized to the Rabbi for what he did to Kate then forgave himself! Whatever happened to apologizing to the injured party, then seeking forgiveness from her?
Jon’s apology a year ago turned me against these public apologies for show. They only serve to make the apologizer feel redeemed (and earn a few bucks, on occasion, too.)
The Rabbi is a jerk. Let’s hope he’s not as influential on Jon Gosselin as he claims to have been on Michael Jackson. His life hardly took a turn for the better.
ITA Ann. This whole thing reeks. Wonder what he needs publicity for now???
Bitter much about the Emmy’s. I feel sorry for both these two men. That’s all I’m going to say!!
“Blech, phooey, and hogwash.” – Well said Lilly!
I’m not sure I can believe a think that comes from the Rabi or Jon. I didn’t buy it last year and I’m not buying it this year (no matter what it is – I didn’t even listen). Who needs a public religious figure to tell people you’re “good”, can’t you just show it with your actions? OMG, did the Rabi tell him about “covering the kids” with a towel like Michael Jackson did with scarfs???? I may not like Jon but I really don’t want to see him going down the Michael Jackson trail or taking the kids along for the ride.
Sadly Jon “pretends” to apologize and then turns around and still bashes Kate and still does things to get back on her. Jon honestly doesn’t know what an apology is. The apology should go to the person you offended not the public for the sake of publicity. Shumley is using Jon just as Jon is using Shumley. Sorry but they are both a waste of time. Jon is going to have to reach rock bottom because he grows up and for his children’s sake I hope it’s soon before it’s too late and the children grow to resent their father.
I agree Lily, it’s all hogwash, plain and simple.
Wrong for being at the Emmy’s? More hogwash. So the hundreds of fathers and mothers that were all at the Emmy’s including all the commentators are all doing wrong by attending? I have a better word than hogwash and that’s it’s all a load of horsesh_t.
Hogwash, malarky, jackback talk. Is this guy a man of God? Really? Do people really listen to this hot mess?
I couldn’t get it to work?
but to be honest since it didnt come up right away, I really didn’t wanna hear it.
Sounds like sour grapes, Jon and his new Girl Friend are Hollywood stalkers and wanna bes. Everything they say and do is them wanting to be famous and mingle with them.
Jon would of done anything to of been at the Emmys, ANYTHING !
He thought he was all that when he was at the Vegas pool party’s and the Hollywood milk shake place. Everything this guy says is a Lie, I feel for anyone hes fooling.
It did just work for me.
It wouldn’t work for me either! Could anyone give me the highlights (or should I say, lowlights?!) Did JON say that Kate shouldn’t be at the Emmy’s? If he did, its because he is SOoooo jealous!
CCP…you are fortunate that you couldn’t hear this BS! First of all, Jon needs to stop smoking. You could hear him puffing! 2nd of all, I wonder if this Rabbi knew Jon & his young bit of stuff had been in a DC nightclub on FRIDAY…paid! Yep, this is the reformed father who DARES to mock what Kate has been doing w. their children while he took off like a dog in heat. This is how he publically thanks Kate for being there for their children?
Sorry IW…this is the father of 8 devine children? Dear Lord…this man is a MESS! Looney tunes…& right now, beyond redemption, Rabbi Shmuley. (JON - HONEST?)
Lmao . I love it KT’s Mom tells it like it is.
Good for you, anyone with sense can see clearly why Jon had this interview with the Rabbi, and I would love to know if Jon said those exact words. does he?
THIS SCHMULEY DUDE SHOULD APOLOGIZE TO KATE!
What does he say Puff? and does Jon say Kate should not of been at the Emmys? IMO if the Rabbi says it and Jon agreed its the same as Jon saying it himself.
If everyone just ignores him maybe he will go away… i know im using my kindergarten mentality… but come on isnt that what he is using too!!! lol
Kate looked great on the Emmys and on her show… Jon can’t even get a TV to show his face anymore!!
I hope he does go away Lindsay, He has some nerve to say anything negative about Kate?
He got paid to appear at a bar opening, and then a few days later is acting like he is this saint of a father with this Rabbi??
I think at this point he will say anything… isnt it funny he is trying everything he can to get the kids off TV when his supposed check stops coming… before that he had nothing to say. If he was really concerned about the kids… well there is no need to finish that sentence because we all know who his concerns have always been about!
The link opened in Windows Media Player on my computer.
The Rabbi noted that he announced Jon would be on the program on twitter and about 50 people wanted to know why she would be on the Emmys? The Rabbi asked him if Kate was getting carried away with the television thing? Jon said he soesn’t get involved in that, it seemed excessive but if that’s her thing more power to her.
He mentioned that he and his girlfriend Ellen spent the day with the kids and that when he dropped them off a nanny was there. they are trying to walk a fine line with custody and working that out.
The Rabbi noted that Jon has made mistakes in the past but that he is deeply committed to his children and is deeply introspective. Rabbi says Jon apologized “publicly to his wife” at a synagogue (he does not mention that Kate wasn’t even there!)
There were leading questions about whether the show caused the divorce, but Jon disagreed. He said it did not cause the divorce, but it was taxing and speeded up the demise of the marriage. The Rabbi asked if he watched himself on the show and felt disrespected by Kate. Very leading, very unfair question. It sounded rehearsed. I feel dirty listening to it! The Rabbi comes across as thriving on gossip. Bleh! (to quote Lily.)
Jon sees some problems with the kids because they are photographed every where they go (no mention of who INF paid for photos.) You can’t take the kids anywhere. He tried to isolate them as much as possible but it never worked because he’s trying to live a normal life and they go to their mother and they are filming a TV life. “They revert back.”
The Rabbi asks if the kids are becoming entitled, more spoiled. Jon thinks they are, he’s seen personality changes
Well, it was all about how wonderful Jon is and how he as amazingly turned his life completely around. He’s severely misunderstood according to the Rabbi. Jon has surrounded himself w/good people, (like Ellen who supports hate blogs). The Rabbi was very nosey about what Jon thought of Kate and fame and the kids being filmed. Jon doesn’t want the kids filmed but has some other things in there to consider (that needs revisited by someone w/a better memory than me, I’m not listening to it again.) The Rabbi mentions his involvement w/Michael Jackson many times.
Really, the Rabbi asked him so many questions about Kate. It was disgusting. Hope that helps a little. Now Kate Plus 8 is on and I’m going to watch.
Really, that interview was just unbelievable.
Ann, you are great.
Oops! I hit submit when I was checking to see if the show is on (Go Kate!)
He’s trying to bring a sense of normalcy back into their life and it’s difficult, but he’s hoping that because they live in rural PA…
He’s hoping that “being around good people such as my girlfriend and myself and people that love them, they can see a sense of normalcy their life.”
The Rabbi says, “So your trying to balance some of the exposure that is their life with Kate with the exact opposite raising them in a rural environment in Pennsylvania.”
The Rabbi asks if there is tension between Jon and Kate on how to raise the kids.
There’s plenty more of this, but I’d say it’s the low part for me (until the end when the Rabbi prompts Jon to scold Kate.)
OK, K+8 is on and I am disgusted by this Rabbi. Disgusted. This man LED Jon to say things that are awful about Kate. And Jon of course followed where the man who complimented him led. Bad move Jon.
Here’s what makes a man a good father:
He loves his children, cares for them, leads by example, and respects their mother.
Epic fail.
There is one cure for having to listen to that interview 1-1/2 times-
I’m watching Kate + 8.
Thank you Ann, I am glad again I didn’t get to listen.
Thanks Ann! Now I have a pretty good idea how that interview went!!
I think at this point he will say anything… isnt it funny he is trying everything he can to get the kids off TV when his supposed check stops coming… before that he had nothing to say. If he was really concerned about the kids… well there is no need to finish that sentence because we all know who his concerns have always been about!
Lindsay, The moment I read that I had exactly the same thought. His contract with TLC is up and I predict he is about to make Kate’s life a living hell….
I’ll finish the sentence! If he was really concerned about the kids he wouldn’t have…
…sold their photos to paparazzi sites
…tweeted his support for a rapper who called their mother a b**** among other things
…rented less than (eta) a three+ bedroom apartment or house, even if it meant fewer perks for himself
…lied about wanting normalcy and rejecting the celebrity lifestyle, all while courting it
…given this insulting radio interview
I really can’t stand the phot of this Rabbi on this thread! I think this man knew Jon would follow where he would lead, especially if criticizng Kate were on the agenda. Foolish!
Why couldn’t Jon give an interview that did not mention Kate? He managed to not mention his soulmate, or who trashed their apartment, or how much $$$ he owes her, all while accepting the Rabbi’s praise of his phenomenal honesty!
Why is it okay for Kate to go on every talk show that will have her and bash Jon but he’s not suppossed to give his side of the story? Jon couldn’t talk before his contract was up. TLC had him under orders not to or they would go after him for breach of contract. I think it’s high time Jon tell his story! There are two sides you know but Kate has been the only one allowed to give hers until now. Boy does she ever have you buffaloed!
Tammy, Jon has trashed Kate for the past year to the point whatever he has to say will always be another lie that comes out of his mouth. He lies about stealing household money, he lied about being pd for pics of the kids, he lied to Steph, Hailey, Morgan and I suppose Ellen now and you can throw the teacher on on top of all of them. He went several months without seeing his kids, (Utah, CA). He moved to NY, trashed his appt, blamed Hailey, borrowed money from her, never paid it back, and now living off Ellen tweeting all day and playing farmville. Now what would Jon have to say if he had to answer these questions from another person besides a pre-planned interview. Let me have an hour and I bet you would get a total different answer from him. He lied to Jodi and Kevin and hard feelings are there also. Wow!! Tell me what Jon would say that would be the truth, just asking. Watched the show and Kates Mom, the kids were so well behaved and polite. You should be so proud.
I think it’s a toss-up between Jon and the Rabbi for ”The Putz of the Year Award!”
Tany, Kate is the only one who has been able to give her side of the story? Jon breached his contract by going on every tabloid show trashing Kate and speaking of the wonderment that was Hailey. On national television, he said he despised Kate. Jon has repeatedly given his side of the story. I saw an interview w/Kate on the Red Carpet at the Emmy’s. She was asked about Jon writing a book and could he give any advice as the father of 8, Kate said she “didn’t have to worry about that anymore and moving on” (to the next question). Kate has moved on, Jon needs to move on too.
No one forced him to put his kids back on tv. It was his choice. He’s still playing games.
Actually, I have never heard Kate bash Jon on TV. She’s had plenty of opportunity and even more provocation to do so but she’s taken the high road. Yes, there may be a mild snark or two but, for someone just coming through a nasty divorce, she’s been incredibly gracious. She was nothing but complimentary about him as a father in her new book which was definitely written after the split.
Jon wants a normal life?!?!? He keeps trying to market himself as a celebrity. He’s made no effort to get a regular job, and, it appears that the only reason he came home was that he ran out of money and/or rich dumb girlfriends to sponge off. He’s the one who had a pap as a bodyguard and he’s the one who brought an Insider crew to when he picked up the twins on their last birthday that he singlehandedly turned into a tabloid TV nightmare. Does anyone believe that Jon and Ellen wouldn’t have killed to trade places with Kate Sunday night?
Thanks, though, for the summaries. That way I don’t have to listen to their voices.
I finally listened to the interview, Jon lied straight up. Talked about how he has changed, not doing the bar stuff, yet he was in a low life bar Friday night. I also would have asked him how he planned to support the children if they were not on the show. I also would have asked him why he continues to take things to court when he could spend that money supporting his kids. The Rabbi is also making money off the G’s kids, by having this interview with Jon. Shame on him. As for Jon being a mentor, I would rather talk to a pole than listen to anything he has to say. Dating a 23 year old, and of course sleeping with her also I’m sure, is not what a good example to set for his kids. He had the kids one day over the weekend, but took them home??? Why Jon? Because you cannot provide a simple thing like beds for your kids, but can smoke while your talking on a phone. He says he is so close to his family, but I have never seen one family member speak up for him anywhere. He also never mentioned his Mother, hmmmm—.
That interview was pathetic at best. The good Rabbi certainly has been bamboozled by Jon.
I wonder if the Rabbi knows that Jon didn’t even have a job when the kids were born?
Jon said he took some time to do some soul searching. Good thing the kids had Kate to look after them while Dad was “soul searching”.
Oh Jon also insinuated Kate has no one (family or friends) to talk to or advise her.
Jon is a sad pathetic man.
MomofKT I don’t know how your daughter managed with him for a husband.
I think that Jon Gosselin and Rabbi Shumley BOTH need to find a good therapist. Not the Sylvia LaFair one either as she is as nutty as a fruitcake and a joke as a therapist of anything. No both Jon and Shumley need to get a good psychoanalyst to find out why both of them are totally useless as men and both seek fame at the expense of other innocent people.
Thanks ladies for the preview:) After the rocking performance at the Emmy’s and how beautiful Kate looked on the red carpet, I just couldn’t bring myself to hear Jon’s whining . The irony was this interview was set up for Sunday night when Kate was appearing on the Emmy’s ? It only shows me that Jon is not done with his own personal agenda and drama.
The accusation that Kate has trashed Jon on talk shows rather astounds me. She has made a few snarky comments but mostly has not said much at all about Jon. She did go on one of the morning shows when Jon withdraw the large amount of money from the account (which we later discovered Kate was being truthful since Jon was ordered by the court to return the money).
Jon couldn’t talk before his contract was up. TLC had him under orders not to or they would go after him for breach of contract. I think it’s high time Jon tell his story!
This is totally inaccurate. Jon gave a live prime time interview with Chris Cuomo between the time when he stopped film production and the time he re-signed a contract with TLC. Clearly, that contract has expired but Jon has already told his story in a very bitter, hateful way. From that interview, we know this about Jon’s story from his own mouth. He claimed he was abused and said he despised the mother of his children. He said that Kate ended the marriage in October of 2008 saying to him one night at the dinner table “I don’t know why I married you.” He also said he wanted to go to marriage counseling and Kate did not. Or perhaps they wanted to go to different types of counseling as she did want to go to Dr. Phil and Jon did not. Jon’s story is that he did not start going out until after they took a trip to Utah in January 09 and Kate flew back without him. He “broke” free of Kate when he wanted to go with friends and she didn’t want him to.
We also know his side of the story from things he said on the TLC show around the time of the seperation. He said he didn’t like being home with the kids all the time and needed something else to feel like a man. He also said he did not like being Jon of “Jon and Kate Plus 8.”
We know more about his side of the story from what he told Jodi and Kevin and they sold to the tabloids. Jon was jealous of Kate traveling with her bodyguard and suspected they were having an affair.
Frankly, we have heard more than enough of Jon’s side of the story.
Why is it okay for Kate to go on every talk show that will have her and bash Jon but he’s not suppossed to give his side of the story? – Tanny
That would not be OK. You are right. Kate should not bash Jon. She has said she wants him in the kids’ life and that he is a good father. She says she’s “moving on” when asked about his girlfriends and his book. She did an interview after he took money he should not have, and I think that was a mistake. A comment from her lawyer would have sufficed.
She was especially quiet about pics of him smoking a joint, shooting a gun, partying in Las Vegas, wearing Ed Hardy, and the home videos of him and Hailey acting drunk and crude in France. Thank God she had no comment about any of that. Jon, on the other hand, had a lot to say about Kate, including sharing her texts to him (which were perfectly fine texts) and he has admitted that. He should NOT have done this interview, unless it was limited to talking about his own behavior, his attempts to make amends, and what he does to be a good single father.
There was so much garbage in that interview to comment on I should have been taking notes, because I don’t want to listen again.
One of the things that stuck out to me was when Jon talked about living in NY, and he said he always went back for his custody, like he was “supposed to”. Like it was another chore on his list.
The kids living in rural PA is not due to Ellen and him, it was decided by J&K when they were still married.
Why in the world is it wrong for Kate to be on the Emmys , but ok for Jon to appear at a nightclub with ads saying “Come see the guy who fathered 8 kids, and he’s got a new girlfriend!” ? And Jon saying he is still pursuing a tv career?
Is Jon angling for TLC to “help” his career? I don’t believe for a minute that he is really concerned about the kids being on tv. His actions don’t support that. Does he want his own “mentoring” show? I’m sure his opinion about the kids would change if he were offered his own show.
I think this episode of the Rabbi’s show should have been called “Dinner for Schmucks Part 2″.
I cannot believe that people say Kate bashes Jon in the media. If Kate wanted to she certainly has the ammunition to bash Jon but I have honestly never seen it happen. Jon is a proven liar, maanipulator and user and I say that because that has been proven beyond a shawdow of a doubt. If Kate had gone on TV and said she despised Jon, she would have been crucified.Can you imagine the hurt Kate must have felt upon hearing that? The haters think because Kate has the money to have nannies or to afford a good lifestyle that she does not feel hurt or pain just like everyone else. Just because she is wealthy does not mean that she has not been through hell and back thsi past year,just as any other woman in her position would have. To me that is what hurts the credibility of the haters the most, the fact that they defend Jon no matter how out-rageous his actions are and continue to blame Kate for whatever Jon does. Jon feels validated in his self-pity when he can continue to get people like the good rabi to tell him what a good guy he is, and when the Kate haters keep excusing him and patting him on the back.
Good thing the kids had Kate to look after them while Dad was “soul searching”.~PattyPie
Yes, and the Rabbi had no kind words for Kate for being there all this time.
It is so hypocritical of the Rabbi and Jon to bash Kate for the “television thing” when they are doing a public broadcast. Didn’t the Rabbi also have a tv show at one time?
I appreciate all your responses. Obviously our opinions differ greatly. Nothing any of you say is going to convince me Kate is the better parent. I have followed this story for a long time just like many of you. I think the best thing to do here is just agree to disagree. I have obviously inadvertantly ventured on to a Jon Gosselin hate site and have no business here arguing with people who like myself think they are right. As much as you dislike Jon I dislike Kate. In my opinion she’s a greedy, narcissitic b***** who will allow nothing to get between her and money and fame not even her children. Say what you will, nothing will convince me otherwise. Someone needs to protect these children and it’s not going to be your buddy Kate. She eliminated her relatives and best friends when they got in her way and sure as heck won’t let Jon try it. He needs to take control of the situation and get the cameras away from his children that they so obviously hate before it’s too late if it’s not already.
Tanny, you realize that we don’t even know if there will be another season. I believe the work permits for the children expire in October. I don’t hate Jon. His actions have disgusted me. I wish he would concentrate on himself and quit playing these games that involve Kate and the children. Nothing in that interview was good for the family. If the Rabbi wants to promote family living, he should not be encouraging/leading an ex-husband to publicly bash the former wife.
Thanks Lily. I agree:)
As far as I know no one here hates Jon. Not one of the comments here about Jon was as venomous as your comment about Kate. You don’t know her life. You see snippets and you don’t know what she does with the other 6 days and 23 hours of her day.
Jon and Shumely bashing Kate for working while Jon had just been out to a bar for work was self righteous at best, sinister at worst. It makes you wonder what the agenda is with those two.
One last thing Tany if you have been watching the Gosselins for a long time you know that Kate’s Mom posts here. I just wish you would show a bit more respect.
Yes Lily, he did have a tv show on, ta da! TLC. It lasted 2 seasons. You can bet if it had been nominated for an Emmy, he would have been there.
We used to support Jon as well as Kate here, until we became disgusted by his behavior. And I think some of us still have a hope that he will come to his senses (a small hope now, but lingering still).
Kiki, I share your hope, and listened to the Rabbi/Jon interview with a very open mind, but the good and reasonable things that Jon said were ruined by the thinly veiled jabs at Kate. Even though it sounds great to say he “really just enjoys spending time with my kids”, it’s somewhat ruined for me when he’s comparing himself to Kate being off at the Emmy’s, partaking in the “celebrity obsessed culture”, and so forth. As someone said earlier, even though Jon didn’t come up with those words (thanks, Rabbi, we owe that to you), he definitely agreed with them.
Kate has been a consistent provider of care for her children, and the major stable influence in their lives.
Tanny, no one here has said they hated Jon. Those were your words sorta to make others feel like we can’t see the forest because of the trees. All anyone would want in life is to see this family work through their problems and have a happy relationship down the road for all. You trashed Kate in your post, it was a little heart wretching to read it. Agreeing to disagree is not a bad thing, but calling Kate a nasty name was such a turn off for me, just saying.
I had no idea Kate’s mother posts on this site. Had I known I would have never published my feelings. As a mother myself, I apologize to Mrs. Gosselin. No matter what my children were doing I would not like to hear someone else putting them down. Like I said earlier I ran on to your site accidentally. I actually thought this was the rabbis site I was posting on at first. I should have checked more closely. I clearly do not fit in here based on my opinions and will no longer post. Just like anything you try to say to change my opinions not working mine will not change yours. It’s a moot point to post here. I’ve seen her out with Jon and she seems like a very good woman so please just try to remember Jon has a mother too who may very well have a computer of her own.
Hi Tanny,
Welcome.
You are entitled to your opinion just like everyone else. We actually do appreciate a different opinion here but you are right, I think at this point people are pretty set on what they believe.
We have a lot of other great categories and topics on this site and people posting that know nothing about the controversy surrounding this family. Check it out and please feel free to post on other categories if you don’t feel Gosselin Chatter is the place for you. We would love to have you participate.
I just can’t see why anyone would want to change anyone elses opinion. The world is not black and white, there are shades of gray with every story. I have no desire to prosthelytize the masses, just point out that there are many that don’t share their very radical opinions. It would seem that the haterz won’t rest until everyone views the world as they do.
Yikes now I have freaked myself out. Can you imagine a world where everyone viewed thinks as the haterz do? I think I would become a shut in!
Jon is doing “everything in his power to get his children off of television?” I haven’t listened to the interview, and quite frankly, I don’t want to, but has the good Rabbi questioned the fact that the kids are only ON television with Jon’s CONSENT, and that HE profits from the very thing that he claims he wants to stop?
In the Rabbi’s defense (I don’t like defending him since I think he is the bigger problem of the two) he did ask Jon why he doesn’t just take them off TV. Jon’s answer was a bit evasive:
Rabbi: “Do you want to take them off TV?”
Jon: “Um, I do. But, there’s, you know, there’s certain ramifications, things, I want to do what’s best, ah, for them, and um, you know, we’re in discussions, and, ah, we’ll see what happens…” (talking over eachother)
Rabbi: “You’re confident that you’re going to what?”
Jon: “I’m confident that, you know, uh…I will make the best decision based upon how they feel but what is in their best interest as well as mine…I’m their father, I’m their parent, and um, sometimes you just have to do some things that uh, uh, wouldn’t be expected.”
Rabbi: “So are you, are you, inclined, are you planning on taking the kids off the show?”
Jon: “Um… I can’t discuss that at this moment…um…but, ah…”
Rabbi: “Do you, do you think it would be the best thing for them? (overtalking) “Do you think it would be the best thing for them?”
Jon: “I always did and that’s why I tried to stop it last year. I didn’t want our divorce filmed, and I thought it was, ah, not the right thing to do, and um, I did. I got sued, but it, it worked.”
Rabbi: “Because you got the divorce off TV?”
Jon: “That’s correct.”
I didn’t think filming during the divorce and especially about the divorce should have taken place, myself. I thought the family needed to work that out in private. They really didn’t get the chance though. It is such a shame that when filming stopped, the attention from the tabloids increased, and that mostly centered around Jon and his “mistakes.”
If Jon really, truly thinks the kids should be off TV, then he should really, truly take them off TV. There should be no “sometimes you just have to do some things that uh, uh, wouldn’t be expected” about it. There really should be absolutely no, “what is in their best interest as well as mine” about it. All that should be considered is what is in the kids’ best interest. The family needs an income from somewhere: the show, investments, a nursing or IT job, SOMEWHERE. If any of those sources is harmful, like the tabloid photos are, and either parent knows it, then that harmful source of income should cease. He wouldn’t even have to justify the reasons publicly. He should just do it, if that’s what he believes.
I don’t understand boasting that he stopped filming last year, then saying that’s what he wants, but, uh, uh…meanwhile they still film? What’s wrong with him?
I am full of opinions again today!
I have criticized the Gosselin parents in the way, way past. I came around to understanding that they are these kids’ parents, and that they know best what their circumstances and needs were. I have never seen anything that remotely resembles abuse in this show (the charge woul be laughable if it were not so grossly unjust.) I wouldn’t want busybodies telling me how to raise my kids, and I sure don’t want people interfering with my income or decisions. I support kate Gosselin’s right to be on TV, with her children, as long as both parents agree. I support a clear child labor law in PA regarding reality TV.
I would support Jon’s stopping the show if he is really concerned about the kids having a regular, rural PA life. He has that right. I thought his pulling the plug last summer without notice was unfair and frightening to Kate, but she has more preparation now. I thought it was a good idea to take the summer off during the divorce (and a shame tha tabloids filled the void.) I think it gave Kate time to make that DWTS committment. In the case of two parents disagreeing about their kids’ participation in such a major thing as a reality show, I would say, “The NOs have it.” It is my understanding that TLC feels the same way? Either both consent or there is no show.
I really think Kate will have a decent career without Kate + 8. I would cheer her on. She did great on her speaking tours and her books would sell well enough. I’m sure she could endorse mommy-friendly products, try her hand at Celebrity Apprentice, be the voice of a cartoon character, etc. I imagine she handles money well, and can invest wisely. Kate, will make her way, just fine. I hope Jon gets a job, too.
Also, it should be pointed out that TLC DID sue Jon for breach of contract, obtained an injunction , and was prevailing at every step when Jon folded and settled.
I think that if we look at Jon’s actions in chronological order we’ll find that when they first decided to divorce and Jon continued on the show, he never indicated that he felt that continuing with the show during that time was harmful or detrimental to the children in any way. He is seen on camera, talking to paps about how much the kids love filming, and about how Jodi and Kevin didn’t know what they were talking about when they made claims that the kids filmed for hours without a break, etc. It was only when it was announced that Jon would no longer be a part of the show, and that the name of the show would be changed to “Kate Plus 8″ that Jon put the breaks on everything, shut down filming and claimed that the show wasn’t good for his children and needed to stop. He was never fighting to shut the show down for the “right” reasons, he did it out of spite (imo) because TLC was casting him aside and wanted the show to no longer include him. I don’t believe that he ever felt the show was “harmful” to the kids. I don’t think he believes that NOW. It’s all about sour grapes. I don’t believe that any good parent would ever fold and settle if they really believed that it meant their kids would be put into a situation that would harm them.
Thanks Pam, it does seem like a good site. I just need to stay away from this explosive topic. I will look around at the rest.
Pattipie, I don’t want to change anyone’s opinion but when you’re as out numbered as I am here there’s no sense in even trying to discuss. I certainly am not a “hater” and hope I wasn’t the one you were referring to. Just because someone has a different opinion than yours does not make them a hater. I apologized for using the B word. I actually hesitated when I was typing it but it truly was the only word I could think of to best describe my feelings. I’ve seen her in action. She’s not the nicest person in the world.
Welcome, Tanny.
I love how everyone assumes Kate is so rich…. I think everyone needs to realize also… alot of the figures thrown around may not be correct (DWTS – 500k is the most for any celebrity Ive ever heard)… and even if Kate (or the whole family) earns $250k per episode the IRS (remember them) takes a HUGE chunk of that and a portion is immediatly put aside for each of the children. And if this season is only 5 episodes… well that doesnt leave much wiggle room either. I am struggling to raise one child on 45k a year…. multiple that by 8 and take away taxes and there isnt much left for “richness”. For all we know all her tanning, hair appointments, and nail appointments may be paid directly by TLC… and I challenge one woman on here to say they wouldnt jump at the chance for free any of those. TLC wants Kate to look good. She is a product they are selling to the public for consumption, just like a box is prepped to sell merchandise Im sure they prep her image as well.
Ann, it’s a good thing ‘you are full of opinions’…you do that well! I particularly thank you for puting some of the dialogue into words - between umm Rabbi & err Jon.
Jon is still all about JON! Had he any sense at all, the path that Rabbi Shmuley took would have been diverted at the start. i.e. Both Kate & I want what’s best for our children…& that is our work in progress. This interview was a farce. If Jon Gosselin is all about being the best person he can be for his children…he certainly would do best if he went silent. Yes, that also goes for Ellen. She has NO standing in the life of Jon’s children…a babysitter in training!
What has happened to the basic values we all want to pass on to our children?
And many people have said it before.. but if Jon wanted his kids off TV he could start with getting a real job to help support his kids. He can’t say that Kate is a bad parent because she is trying a career in entertainment and then say he wants the same career. If Kate were not bringing in any income in this career path… I am 100% sure she would return to any career path she would earn income in to provide for her kids. If she were unemployed and living on welfare and getting food stamps while “trying” to find a different career… she would be crucified for not returning to her nursing career. Why is it OK for Jon to sit on his rump for over a year with no income (other than said show he is bashing) without getting an IT job. Most IT people I know work from home alot.. so his celebrity has nothting to do with it.. its his laziness pure and simple. And coming from someone who knows lazy fathers/men…. they never outgrown that trait.. .lazy is lazy forever
All I am sayin’ is folks need to check themselves before they come out of the gate swinging at a person they don’t even know! Even if it is only on the internet.
If you are new to Gosselin bloggin, let me tell you that there are a few but very loud Kate haters on the net who are loud and say the most vile things about a woman they don’t even know. It’s shocking.
I am glad you regret your comments. I would say one other thing, try to read the comments here with an open mind. Many valid points are made.
Tanny, thanks for your kind words, correcting oneself is sometimes hard to do. Please feel free to comment, but calling another women nasty names, who is just trying to support her children puts the women movement back many years. Many don’t believe is reality shows on TV but that’s what the public seems to want. My wish is for all involved in the G’s family is to heal and move on.
Tanny…you’ve ‘seen Kate Gosselin in action, & she’s not the nicest person in the world’. Who has ever suggested that Kate has that title? Certainly NOT Kate. If you paused calling her what you did…perhaps you could have been more thoughtful. It’s a cheap shot, & you got the attention you wanted. (Kate has one take on camera…you have edit.)
He can’t say that Kate is a bad parent because she is trying a career in entertainment and then say he wants the same career~Lindsay
Hello Lindsay, that’s right. Right after Jon filed for full custody when Kate was on DWTS, his attorney said that Jon was willing to be on the show w/Kate.
Jon pulled the kids off TLC in a last ditch effort to get out of his contract. During the trial, TLC made the statement in court that” if he doesn’t want his children filmed, we’re not going to film his children”. (para put pretty close). It was just a few months ago that Jon agreed to film the children.
Networks are not going to start letting their talent run amuck w/their contracts. That makes the piece of paper useless. Jon was wanting what he wanted “Now!” w/o waiting for his contract to be up. “Divorced Dads” just couldn’t wait. None of it was about getting his children off tv.
I sure hope we are not going to start hearing a new round of Jon is getting the kids off TV talk because the contract is up… something tells me that if the contract was only for 5 episodes… the entire contract is up not just Jons part. If TLC refused to film without both parents (which I dont think they HAVE to have them both) and if the reported 250k is correct he knows his antics upped the price tag on this contract, but most company’s arent going to want to be blackmailed every time a contract is up. Whats sad is he is toying with the income that supports his kids… and he should think about whether he is willing to go get a normal IT job again and if not keep his mouth shut and take his little paycheck and be glad TLC is willing to give it to him. If Denise Richards didnt need Charlie Sheens permission (nor did he get paid I assume) then TLC doesnt NEED Jon’s but they give him the respect of getting it before filming the children.
If Denise Richards didnt need Charlie Sheens permission (nor did he get paid I assume) then TLC doesnt NEED Jon’s but they give him the respect of getting it before filming the children.- Lindsay
I’ve wonderd about this myself. Do they legally need two parents to consent? Is it a courtesy? Would TLC film with only Kate’s consent?
Thank you all for your kind words. imperfectwomen.com does seem like a great website. I was not trying to get “attention” when I said what I said. I have followed this family very closely over the years starting back when the show first started. My daughter lives in Lancaster and my daughter in law lives in Philly. Both places are not far from where the Gosselin’s live. We all loved the show in the beginning and would call each other after each show to talk about it. So many places they went to were familair to us it was fun to watch. We loved both Kate and Jon. Even though Kate was bossy and demeaning to Jon at times it looked to us like they had a great marriage and we laughed at them. Slowly though we noticed them both changing. The fame and the money in our opinion was getting to them both. It was no longer fun to watch. Jon was just as bad as Kate. I don’t know what happened to their marriage but I truly don’t believe it was all Jon. I think the womanizing and drinking were a product of the breakup more than Jon’s true makeup. I think the show really started to get to Jon when their dirty linen was being made public and incorporated into the show. On the last few episodes you could tell he didn’t want to continue doing the show. He actually said so. Kate was not giving it up.
I have watched reruns of the show and have watched Kate especially change drastically. In my opinion the fame and money have taken over Kate. I have read articles about her feelings of entitlement expecting special and free things just because she had 8 children. I feel she has used her children to get free things and to support themselves. I feel that both Jon and Kate have robbed their children of their childhood. My question is when is it ever going to be enough? She has her McMansion, her Land Rover, her nannies and bodyguards, her numerous free trips, her hair extensions, her plastic surgery, her fame, and hopefully millions in the bank. When will it be enough to get the cameras out of these childrens faces and allow them to have a normal childhood? Ever? My childrens father came from a family of 12. His father worked and his mother stayed at home and raised the children. They lived in a nice house, ate and dressed well, and were a closeknit happy family. They are all well adjusted adults. I myself raised my 3 children alone by working very hard. I can see Kate wanting to make big money. Who wouldn’t? I just wish it didn’t have to be at the kids expense. The new show Kate Plus 8 is very hard to watch. It is so clear to me that the children are not happy. The scene outside the gate when Jon dropped the little ones off at home and they were screaming and crying was heartbreaking. Why is Jon not allowed to go beyond the gate? As a child of divorce whose father was not allowed to visit this tears me apart. The only ones those two are hurting are the children. Can’t they put their stupid issues aside for the sake of the kids?
These children have been raised a huge portion of their lives by nannies and strangers because their parents are too greedy to give up the big life. I guess we can say that about a lot of stars children but take a look at them. How many movie stars children have died of overdoses or landed in jail or became porn stars? At least their parents had talent. Jon nor Kate do. They are just two people who had sextuplets and used them to become famous. They are so out of their element hanging with the real stars. I’m not saying Kate shouldn’t have a career or life of her own. I have worked since I was 12 years old and became very successful at my job. I’m just saying please leave the children out of it. At least to me it seems Jon is trying to do this now.
I respect all your opinions and agree some people have become obsessed and downright nasty about Kate. I won’t associate myself with those kind of people. I read most of the comments left on articles about Kate and most are very negative. Some are just plain awful. I think a lot of people feel the way I feel though and that’s she has gone way too far with this whole fame and fortune thing at her childrens expense. I agree you have a lot of good points and will continue to keep my mind open to them. I hope you will do the same with the people who disagree with you. Thanks for hearing me out.
Tanny your last post was the correct way to point out your opinion. I can see everything you have said and understand why you have said it. I think the point most people have said over the last 18 months was that there was no going back to them being nobodies. TLC had a contract. If Jon and Kate could have agreed to end the show and then be divorced maybe everything would have turned out differently. But it all exploded. And Jon went in a tailspin and there was only Kate left with all these childrens lives in her hands. What should she have done… stuck them all in daycare for 12+ hours a day to work as a nurse? Stick that new house on the market at a massive loss? Face foreclosure? All the decisions that should have been made together were suddenly on her shoulders to bare… and her name was out there… her picture on every tabloid magazine around. There was no turning back from that point and she just had to put one foot infront of the other and make the best out of the life that was left. The show was both their doing. It cant all be blamed on Kate. And now she has huge expenses to cover and if the entertainment industry didn’t want her in it, she wouldn’t be, she is offered jobs and takes them…. if they are appropriate (no playboy fast bucks or a sensational paid for interviews on every tabloid TV show). I have respect for any woman that can take the crumbles left of her life and her childrens well being into her own hands and does whats necessary to put food on the table and a roof over their heads. And none of the Jon supporters ever have an answer to why he doesn’t have a job? (not to say you are one)
Tanny, I truly believe that when you are seeing negative comments in articles about Kate, the vast majority of them are written by a handful of really nasty and obsessed “haters” who run from article to article on the internet and post over and over again with different usernames. We’ve all seen how some of these busybodies will sit for hours on end posting on ROL for example so we know they’re not above wasting days on end looking for places to spew their venom against Kate.
I find it particularly ironic that some of these women take it upon themselves to randomly post on pro-Kate blogs – there’s one that visits Sage’s blog every day to educate us with her pearls of wisdom. I wonder if she realizes that it’s only BECAUSE of women like her that many of us continue to read and post on the pro-Kate sites?
Hi Lindsay. I see your point but I was under the impression TLC said anytime one or both of the parents wanted to stop filming the show they would abide by their wishes. I thought Jon wanted to end it but Kate didn’t. In my opinion there’s not much difference between sticking the kids in daycare and letting them for days at a time with nannies.
As far as Jon not having a job I assumed he was still under contract with TLC. For the courts to order 20k in child support from him the money had to be coming from somewhere. They base child support on income.
Jon did go wild and did a lot of stupid things. It seems though that he is now trying to do things better now. I haven’t heard anything negative about this new girlfriend and she seems to be a good influence on him and the kids.
I too just want to see this family pick up the pieces whether it’s done by Jon, Kate, or both I don’t care. I just want to see those kids away from the cameras and to be able to spend the rest of their childhoods in peace. There are a lot of children of celebrities you never see photos of. It is possible to shield them from the cameras if the will is there.
Mrs. Gosselin, I am truly sorry if I upset you. You’re right, I don’t know your daughter or Jon and all my information comes from the media and what I have seen on film. It’s all the thousands and thousands of people posting comments about the Gosselins have to go by. I know there are two sides to every story and a mother is going to defend her child. I would be the same way. Again, I apologize for upsetting you.
Mom of KT…. im so sorry you have had to watch your daughter be treated so badly… just as Kates children are the loves of her life… so are your children to you I am sure. The reason the public does not know all the sick stories is because Kate respects the man that will always be her childrens father… whether he deserves this respect or not and whether he shows her even the slightest respect back. She has truly shown grace I cant say I even have when dealing with my ex. There is a quote I have seen on many child custody blogs I have searched for guidance for dealing with my situation.. “Love your children more than you hate your ex”
May peace and grace continue to come to you and your entire family.
And Im sorry to be nitpicking here.. but she isn’t Mrs. Gosselin…. that is Jons mother.
If you have read any articles at all you should know Kate’s maiden name or that of her brother/sister in law that appeared on the show.
I see your point but I was under the impression TLC said anytime one or both of the parents wanted to stop filming the show they would abide by their wishes. – Tanny
I was under that impression, too, which is why I don’t really think Jon “is doing everything possible” to *save* the kids from the filming. Jon was under contract to TLC, broke the contract, got sued, countersued, then settled and signed another contract. He signed another contract. Jon signed it. So does he think they should be off TV or not?
I don’t see damage to the children done by filming that you do, Tanny. I expected to see unhappy, overworked, exhausted, and heat-stricken children. Kate was bothered by the heat, but the kids? They smiled through the whole episode. They were all charming.
I don’t by the armchair diagnosing or the doom and gloom “their futures are ruined” forecasting that I read in some negative comments. It’s not fair to do that to them.
Kate doesn’t think they are harmed by filming.
So maybe Jon knows something that I don’t. That very well could be since I only see what you do, the edited show. but, if they are *harmed* by filming why would he have signed that contract? What father would sign it? I don’t get it.
Mom of KT… THANK YOU for posting. It is so hard to see people state their opinions as facts, and just assume that because Kate can be sharp-tongued, that she is a horrible person. I just wish people would stop saying that she needs to be off of TV and let the kids go back to their “normal” life. I think this IS their normal life now. Jon may say that he has seen changes in their attitudes, and has attributed it to a feeling of entitlement, but maybe their attitudes have changed due to the divorce?
I wish everyone would just back off, and let Kate do what she thinks is best for the kids. At least ONE parent has to have the stones to make those decisions!
And MOKT? You are totally right. She SHOULD do what she loves! And yes, since she is signed on to do a show with TLC, the kids will probably continue to be in the spotlight a bit, but it’s not like they are filming 20-30 episodes a year.
And about the interview… Jon needs to grow up and learn how to speak up for himself. If he truly wants the kids off of TV, then he needs to say that instead of dancing around the subject. Except then he’d have to get off his couch and get a real job.
Sorry. You’re right. I knew it was Kreider. To be honest I was so shocked by her posting to me I don’t know what I was thinking.
Anyway, Mrs. Kreider, if it’s any consolation to you I have learned a valuable lesson on this site in the past 24 hours. I will never assume anything is true just by reading it again and will never post my opinion about anyone, Kate and Jon included again. I also “read” that you and your family haven’t spoken to Kate in years. Just goes to show me how stupid I have been. I still have my opinions but am relooking at them right now and will be a lot more open minded from here on out. I only wish the best for you and your family.
Tanny as to your exact comments… leaving the children with nannies may not have been necessary if their father didn’t live in one bedroom apartments or disappear for weeks/months at a time. This hits a real nerve with me because I watch my daughter long for a father that cant be bothered to fit her in his life and I see firsthand what men do when they walk away from children to go “party it up” I also hate when a girlfriend is said to be having a positive impact on a man and his relationship with his children… does that mean if this relationship ends so does the stable relationship with the children… thats very hurtful to children to only be seen as props in dads lovers relationships.
As to daycare vs nannies I wonder if 2 days of working vs 6 days of working is better or not.. I think this is all up to each individual family to decide.
As to the filming.. when one of the parents objected filming stopped. Jon was ordered the child support amount I believe based on all the earnings he was making selling his stories to every thing that would pay for it. It was all proven in TLCs lawsuit that he was accepting payments left and right. I think this short special season of Kate plus 8 is Kates way of phasing the cameras out of the childrens lives while banking some money to live on until she can establish other monetary avenues. She is adding new job opportunities that dont include the children all the time.. and continually getting attacked for that too.
I understand you have an opinion, as do MANY other people. But we should all still support that every family has a right to raise their children how they see fit without being attacked because of pure speculation. I would have crawled into bed and never wanted to get out if I had to deal with the things Kate has had to.
Mom of KT, so sorry to see that some posters just take for granted what they read is true, or see a clip on a TV program and interject more to the story. In the begginning of the show, my family watched your family and we had lots of giggles, reminded me of mealtimes in our house. When I saw the nasty stuff start to come out I had one purpose to post and that was to support working Mom’s all over the world who had children to take care. Kate is strong, she will survive and so glad to see that you stand behind her and your grandchildren. I do have one concern tho, Jon is not showing his kids that it takes two parents, two incomes, two to take responsibilities in life to raise a healthy family. Twiitering all day and play farmville would make my blood boil, but Kate just keeps going. I have to give her a high =five for that!!
Wow, I have to apologize again. Sorry for posting your name. I didn’t know….. I’m really striking out big time here tonight
Tanny… I am new to this blog as well… hopefully we will see you around still and you can continue to learn new things that are based on truth and respect as well. I have never seen a blog like this… and trust me I get bored easily and lurk about on many sites of this crazy world wide web!
Good night ladies.. my little one is snuggled on my bed and I just cant bear to move her tonight so I will be off to dreamland with the love and light of my life snuggled beside me!
Tanny,
I am very impressed with your apology. I am glad Kate’s Mom posting here has helped you to see some new things about Kate and open your mind.
I started reading about the Gosselins on the internet about a year ago and was completely shocked. I have spent a lot of time doing research, reading old blog posts and chatting with folks who have been around the Gosselin blogging world much longer than I have. One thing I have learned is much of what is believed to be true about the Gosselins was orginally written by a blogger named “PennMommy”. PennMommy claimed to have volunteered in the Gosselin home when the babies were little. It’s my understanding that PenMommy is the one who broke the news that Kate was greedy, got everything for free, didn’t talk to her family, etc. That sounds all well and fine doesn’t it? An insider telling the REAL story of Kate! The problem was PenMommy was it turned out that she was from California, had never lived in PA and everything she told from “first hand” experience was a lie. The saddest thing about the whole PenMommy scam is some of the rumors she started are still repeated over and over as truth to this day.
KT’sMomma you are a brave women, I can see where Kate gets it from!
Thanks Lindsay. I appreciate yours and everyone elses kindness. I feel terrible. If you all still will have me I will be back. I have been exploring your site and love it. It is made up of intelligent, strong, and compassionate women and believe it or not I will fit right in. This has truly been an eye opening experience for me. Thank you all.
Mama P says…Mom of KT… THANK YOU for posting. It is so hard to see people state their opinions as facts
Thank YOU for stating this. My one wish is that people realize that just because they “assume” something or something seems “plausible”, it doesn’t make it a FACT. And, yes, I am guilty of this as well….
Mom of KT has been very judicious about what she posts and does not post. She has much more information than the rest of us do. I know she has stated she wishes she could share more, but for obvious reasons, she needs to tread carefully. I have nothing but respect for her.
Tanny, Welcome. I am reading all the posts and I know it hard to come onto an established board and even harder when your opinion differs from the majority. Looking forward to more posts from you.
Guys, I have only made it made it through about about 1/3 of the interview. So far, my sympathy is more with Jon than the Rabbi. The Rabbi is not doing Jon any favors in my opinion. Very personal questions that I don’t think Jon should be obligated to answer. I feel the Rabbi is using Jon to a degree.
I have probably broken my own rules by posting this before I have listened to whole thing, but I wanted to jump and discuss.
Tanny, There is a lot of misinformation out there. I have been doing this for awhile, but when I first started, I fell for all the details that Julie wrote in her blog (there wasn’t any info out there back then). I knew it was slanted, but I thought she should know what she was talking about it. It was later that I saw through it and found out she had been slamming Kate under a different name with details from Jodi before she even started her blog. I hope to see you around.
Because, IMO., since its about time for a new contract–He wants to get more money out of TLC!!~MOKT
That would explain the games. I have been wondering what Jon’s goal is in all this and I do think that’s the most plausible explanation. He should have learned not to try to strong-arm a corporation. They don’t play that way. If he doesn’t want his children filmed, he can pull the plug when their contract runs out. I truly doubt that Kate would want to take Jon to court in order to continue filming as Denise did to Charlie Sheen. She didn’t the last time.
Waving to Mary G
will someone please correct me if i am wrong but isn’t jon’s mom of korean descent
Hi suzanne and welcome,
I deleted that comment but you are absolutely right. She is of Korean descent and she also lives in the US. I believe PA. The person that left that comment was posting from our neighboring country to the north.
Welcome tanny, you will find many here who love life, wish people well to succeed in life, and are strong women who have very wise advice. I’m not very good at putting my words together, but feel this place is very accepting. It’s a nice place to blog and hope to see you join in.
thanks for clearing that up and thanks for the welcome
and to mom of kt you have raised a wonderful daughter who is not afraid to stand on her own two feet and do whatever it is to support and herself and her children
Pam,
Jon’s mother is definitely of Korean descent. I’m not clear on where she was born, but she has family in Hawaii. If you recall, one of the points of Hawaii as a site for the vow renewal was that this enabled many of Jon’s relatives on his mother’s side of the family to meet Kate and the kids. IIRR, she lives on the mainland now with her second husband. Thank you for deleting that comment from the faux MOJ; it was pretty awful.
I found, too, that it was very hard at the beginning to sort out the facts. At lot of the stuff that turned out to be flat out lies or just plain mean judgments were relatively easy to spot, but others, while they sounded fishy, were harder to track down.
Some of the judgments I always found bizarre. Even as a hypothetical if one imagines a family, trying for a third child, finding that they are expecting not the one they were trying for but, initially, seven, later six. The husband loses his job after they find out about the multiple pregnancy which also means that the wife, who made more money, has to quit working long before she would have in a normal singleton pregnancy. For religious reasons, selective reduction was not an option, and I believe that such a decision was theirs and theirs alone to make. Under those circumstances, I think anyone in their position would be looking to get anything free or at low cost that they could reasonably manage to obtain not because they love freebies as such (though, most people, I think, enjoy an occasional one), but because they would have two toddlers and, soon, six infants to provide for and their needs take priority over the parent(s) pride.
I also find it bizarre that people are so threatened by the idea that Kate’s parents do support her and are willing to become more public. These people are the same ones who cry crocodile tears over the children’s alleged lack of contact with biological relatives., especially grandparents. You’d think they’d be happy to find out that there is such contact. Their rage at the very idea makes it clear that they couldn’t care less about the welfare of the children. They want to justify their irrational hatred of a woman who they don’t know and who has never done a thing to hurt them.
Mom of KT: I think any daughter would be happy and proud to have a mother like you in her corner.
Tanny-
Please keep coming. You are very welcome here. I think, whether you realized it or not, you were looking for a place to explore what is and isn’t true amidst all that has been written, particularly in the last year, about Kate Gosselin. You’ve shown yourself open to information that challenged your beliefs and able to make a clearly heartfelt apology when you believe it to be appropriate. That takes guts. A lot of people will do anything to avoid admitting that they’ve made a mistake. Everyone does, of course. We’re all imperfect women so you’re in good company here.
PeggyP says….We’re all imperfect women so you’re in good company here.
As is usually the case, I agree 100% with everything you say, Peggy.
Whoa is all I have to say. If there was ever even a tiny sliver of doubt that Mom of KT was really Kate’s mom there is absolutely no doubt at all and anyone that says differently is not worth even trying to spar with. Mom of KT spoke like a true mother would in defense of the daughter she loves with all her heart. I can see now that Kate took after her mother and is strong, determined and extremely loving and caring. It’s all there in her words. Way to go Mom of KT and I admire both your daughter and you. You spoke from the heart of a mother.
I did watch the show but didn’t get into the blog world until I started seeing all that horrible negative talk about Kate. Now I don’t read articles and take them as any basis of fact at all, in fact I believe that the majority of it at least 99% probably higher is all bull. No I have based my admiration and respect for Kate on her personal interviews and watching the show. I honestly feel that most of the media is junk especially when it comes to talking about “celebrities”. So that’s why I’ve only based my opinion on what I see and what I hear straight from the person’s mouth. The rest of it is junk.
I saw a woman that went through living hell and I know there is no way I could ever endure what she has endured and not go insane. Yes I see Kate’s faults but she has owned up to them and she is trying real hard to become a better person. I feel she has the right to raise her children how she see’s fit and it’s nobody’s business what she says or does when it comes to her children. She must be doing a great job because I see eight adorable, intelligent, funny and very courteous respectful children. What more can any mother ask for? I’ve dealt with preemies in my own family and Kate has done a fantastic job of making sure they are at their age level. Only Kate has exceeded that and the children are I believe far beyond the “normal” child and that can ONLY be done with lots of love, attention and work.
I decided to get into the blogging world after many, many years of internet use but I had never visited a blog nor was interested in it UNTIL I saw a woman I admired and saw as courageous getting slammed by a few members of the public and the media. It was about time that working mothers and stay at home mothers started speaking up instead of being silent while another mother was getting slammed so unfairly. Do I defend Kate? You darn right and I’m proud of it and not afraid to admit it. If mothers can’t stand up for each other what do we have?
On a personal note, Mom of KT you probably won’t know what I mean but your daughter may understand and remember but please thank her for me from the bottom of my heart for the heartfelt words during an extremely difficult time of loss. I started speaking out for Kate long before my loss. That was the kind of caring that we never hear about in the media about Kate but I can tell you that her sweet words meant more to me than anyone can possibly imagine so please thank your daughter for me, for the heartfelt words of caring and love. To lose a beloved one is something no one wants to face and the most difficult time in one’s life but just a few kind words from a “stranger” can mean more than any words or actions by anyone else in that person’s life. Kate did make a difference during a time of the deepest sorrow and depression so I thank her for that and will always remember. I am still mourning the loss and just try take it one day at a time as they say. Just a little kindness can go a long way and Kate seems to understand that. Her mother did a great job in raising her daughter.
I haven’t listened to the interview yet – I have to be in the right frame of mind as I sorta expected to hear what I’m seeing is reported it was about. I haven’t read all the posts on this topic yet. So without doing so there’s a couple things I want to say.
Jon is letting Ellen advice him regarding the kids. Ellen said the towel idea was her’s. Ellen has NO legal standing with the kids in any form, nor will she even if she marries Jon. Ellen’s advice to put a towel over the kids heads was advice of how you would treat a lap dog, NOT kids. If Jon were trying to be a good father, he would make decisions himself regarding his kids, not take advice from a girlfriend whose never had kids.
The other thing I want to say, had Jon not run out of money, he’d still be playing international hot shot and womanizing around. Period. He’s even gone to LA and tried to drum up business for himself and NO ONE wants him.
In one interview when he was out in LA – in the SAME interview - Jon said he wouldn’t do another reality show and then he said he would. Jon says whatever lie suits his purpose at the time & has proven that time and again. Jon is trying to play something out in the court of public opinion because he things it will give him leverage. The courts could give a crap about the court of public opinion. If Jon had any legal leg to stand on, he would take his issues through the legal system. Sometimes we don’t even have a clue what he’s trying to fight in the court of public opinion, but we know he’s up to something. The very fact that Jon tries to make a case for himself in the court of public opinion, for me, is proof in of itself what ever issue he is going after, he has no LEGAL standing.
Rabbi and Jon are using each other to try to get their names in the media & each are equally unethical.
Wow, WOW & WOW! What a wonderful read from yesterday. Tanny…to you in particular, I have to agree, you did stick around. You did listen. You did open your heart & mind. What a clearly enlightening experience for all of us to witness. Those who run IW are ruthless… in their welcoming spirit. ;0)
As hard as I’ve been on the father of those 8 sweet children…I’d hoped that at least an improved Jon would appear w. the Rabbi. Nothing Jon said moved my opinions over towards the plus column. He sounds more mixed up now, than ever. He has Sylvia & the Rabbi’s words…even his father’s lawyer-friend, but none of it sounds like it’s been incorporated into his real life - by his own initiative. Wouldn’t all of these people, he’s paid to speak for him, see that Jon’s journey has yet to begin in earnest? Not until he has made peace with the mother of his children.
I believe that IF Ellen were gone today, Jon would be incapable of puting one foot infront of another. He hasn’t learned how to stand on his own two feet, much less how to be his own best friend. Now Jon wants to mentor? Mentor who? Who would buy a book of Jon’s journey through his heritage…righting the sins of his ancestory & spiritually showing the way to goodness to others like him? Is he planning a speaking tour of the ‘rebirth’ of the perfect celebrity father? (I’d not be surprised to see his tattoo on the dust cover.) Yes, I am being way to glib, yet this is what I see of Jon Gosselin. It strains credulity that in less than 6 mos., this father has arrived at a place that he can be proud of - in the presence of his children.
I wonder how Jon got paid for that interview? In Silly Bandz perhaps?
Although, I’m sure it was exciting for Kate to go to the Emmys…once again she was away from her children for a short period of time WORKING! I don’t think ET is paying her in Silly Bandz either:)
I hope Kate has the opportunity to spend a couple of days (without kids) not WORKING, doing something just for herself. Every parent needs that from time to time, especially the main care-giver and wage earner. I just worry she’s going to burn herself out…she has not had a whole lot of me time this year has she? (going to target & the UPS does not count) even, getting her nails & tans are work related in a way so they only half count.
MOKT, Thanks so much for speaking to us from your heart. How I wish that all the people on all of the negative blogs could read your message!
I can understand why Kate speaks so lovingly about you in her books! She is so lucky to have such a supportive Mom and we are so lucky to have you as part of this group!
Whew, finally read through all the posts. MOKT, YOU GO GIRL!
If you have read Kate’s books, one would know that Jon hasn’t had a good work record, as MOKT confirmed. Although in all of Kate’s books, she stands behind him, it is very easy, being older, to realize that one doesn’t loose that many jobs and it all being due to the employer’s. My opinin is that Jon NEVER supported his family without Kate’s help. NEVER. Knowing the average income of a nurse and an IT professional, in my opinion, I think before Kate had to quit work, Kate was likely always the one bringing in the best income. In the case where Jon sued the one employer, and lost, making the claim the employer didn’t want to cover the cost of the health insuance, the employer stated that he had had a talk with Jon about using the companies resources and time to pursue Jon’s own agenda at work and warned Jon if he didn’t stop, he would be fired. Jon ignored the empoyer’s warnings and second chance and was fired. Evidenlty, based on Jon’s relationship to TLC and this past employer, Jon doesn’t respect employers and boundaries of being an employee. I know of two jobs which were created specifically for Jon and he couldn’t hold those either, one from the state and one from Beth’s husband.
Jon lost jobs BEFORE Kate got pregnant with the 8. Others may say, OK, if that the case, then why did they try for more. My opinion is that they figured they MIGHT have another set of twins, but even at that, Kate could continue working after the birth. The odds of having so many, even with medical help, were such a long shot that it wasn’t likely even in the realm of oconsideration. From what I’ve read, even if there are multiple’s from treatments, most of the time they absorb back into the system at a very early stage. Nature herself usually does the ‘eliminating’. As nature did with one of Kate’s. Kate risked her own life to stand behind her principles.
I copied and pasted the below forgetting to note who posted it. The words bolded are done so by myself for the purpose of emphasis and the words in parenthis are my opinon:
Jon: “Um, I do. But, there’s, you know, there’s certain ramifications,(meaning no filming, no money for him) things, I want to do what’s best, ah, for them, and um, you know, we’re in discussions, and, ah, we’ll see what happens…” (talking over eachother)
Rabbi: “You’re confident that you’re going to what?”
Jon: “I’m confident that, you know, uh…I will make the best decision based upon how they feel but what is in their best interest as well as mine…I’m their father, I’m their parent, and um, sometimes you just have to do some things that uh, uh, wouldn’t be expected.” (meaning even though I say I want them off TV and I don’t believe it’s good for them, as long as I get paid, that’s all that matters)
Jon: “I always did and that’s why I tried to stop it last year. I didn’t want our divorce filmed, and I thought it was, ah, not the right thing to do, and um, I did. I got sued, but it, it worked.”
Rabbi: “Because you got the divorce off TV?”Jon: “That’s correct.” =
(No he didn’t. He tried to play EVERY step of it IN the media and was on EVERY show which would put him on. He just wanted HIS verision on, though)
Oh my, this just popped up on my homepage- Hailey is claiming Jon threatened to call CPS on Kate to get money from her.
http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2010/09/exclusive-jon-gosselin-threatened-report-kate-child-protective-services-unless
Kiki
I have a new post up about it up above.
I wish Jon the best. I am not a fan of Kate’s. I do wish Jon would stay far, far away from Rabbi Shmuley . I have seen this Rabbi in action and he is entirely self-absorbed. I am waiting for the day he literally kisses his own ass. There are many similarities between Kate Gosselin and Rabbi Shmuley. Notably, the need for constant attention and power.
As for Shmuley’s compassion toward others……years ago I heard someone describe a very selfish member of her town…..’he would steal his grandmother’s bed- sheets.’ Sounds like Shmuley to me.
Hypothetically speaking, of course.
HB, I agree wholeheartedly with this:
Wow, WOW & WOW! What a wonderful read from yesterday.
and this:
Those who run IW are ruthless… in their welcoming spirit. ;0)
I almost always find views on here that match my own, and enjoy the opportunity to read views that are pretty different, too. Tanny was extremely brave to hang in there after she felt like she had said too much, and even though she probably has not become a major pro-Kate convert, she has opened her mind. That has happened to me on this site (Our World subjects come to mind), and I remain open-minded about Jon Gosselin because of the frequent positive comments about him here. Many remember that he has been a major part of the good parenting the Gosselin kids have had. I view his transgressions over the last couple of years as an early mid-life crisis. Maybe he never really grew up, and will come out on the other side of this a much more mature and thoughtful man. I don’t think he’s there yet, as evidenced by the Rabbi interview. As long as he is disrespectful to Kate, I will not be willing to hear anything else he says. I know people grouse about their exes, but it should be in private to those you know and trust.
Thanks for the wave, Lily, and I’m waving right back at you.
chrysler margaret says: I have seen this Rabbi in action and he is entirely self-absorbed. I am waiting for the day he literally kisses his own ass.
I have to say that is my impression as well. As I stated above, I could only listen to about a 1/3 of the interview and a lot of it had to do with my visceral dislike of the Rabbi.
Nice to see you, Mary G!
Mary very well said..It is also very important that divorced parents who grouse about their exes, do not do it around their children. Or in this case in a forum where their children could read it or see it on t.v.:(
Now I don’t watch or read everything Kate I have never seen or heard her “bash Jon”. Even at the Emmys when she was asked about him writing a parenting book her response way “I don’t have to worry about that now” (or something equally harmless). There have been plenty to speak about but she has taken the mature route and not talked about him or his relationships. She has class to keep her mouth shut on the subject of her X.
I hope that Jon is enjoying his life, wish him well and it’s great that they have a “normalcy” to provide to the children I hope he can do that without putting Kate as his focus. Kate is no different than any other public figure and she also needs to provide a “normalcy” to the lives of their children. I just keep thinking they will get it right….. both of them…. a girl can dream can’t she.
chrysler margaret says:”There are many similarities between Kate Gosselin and Rabbi Shmuley. Notably, the need for constant attention and power.”
Chrysler margaret you have a right to not like Kate Gosselin but what I do find totally incomprehensible is to compare Kate Gosselin to Rabbi Shumley. In no way are there any similarities. Shumley is a rabbi who is not even respected by many members of his own religion and they find him extremely offensive and counter to every belief that they hold true.
Kate Gosselin is not seeking fame, she is lucky enough to have fame find her and just maybe if you could put your negative feelings to the side you would see that Kate is a mother of eight lovely, healthy, bright children who love their mother very much. You would see a mother that is lucky enough to be able to earn a living and be able to stay home with them more than most mother working a regular job. You would see a woman that despite so much negativity her way she has stayed strong and yes even silent through times that I honestly don’t know of anyone that could ever “hold their tongue” when they are so vehemently and so publicly lashed at by her ex husband. You won’t find too many women with that kind of strength. Kate has defined the meaning of “taking the high road” and for that alone she should and must be admired. Why does she do this? Simple because she loves her children more than anything else in the world including herself and for their sakes she stays on that high road.