“The thought of doing dishes in the bathtub while the kitchen is being renovated proves too much for Kate, so she decides to trade stress for relaxation by taking the kids to the beach while Jon manages the cabinet installations.”
Renovations & Vacations – New Episode
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Sometimes I think TLC writes these episode descriptions just to annoy the detractors. LOL.
I sooo agree Anya.
I mean who really cares if Kate took her brood to the beach. I mean I sure would if I had 8 kids and they were ripping my kitchen apart , Noise+ dust + dirt+ tons of workers+ Jon in my face = I am outta here with the kids! LOL The kids had a wonderful break at the beach with mom and that is wonderful as far as i am concerned. I am soooo looking forward to tonights shows!
I’ve heard that going on vacation while you are having a kitchen remodelled is something other rich people do. It may not be my reality, but it’s theirs, so it’s better they show that then try to pretend that they had to suffer through drywall dust, paint, and missing appliances with no other options.
I look at that picture above and think, “That’s a good-looking famly.”
I am wondering why the twins went back from the vacation early. I think for school, but am not sure.
Ok I would do that too…should we also mention that while Jon was with his kids he sat at a picnic table smoking and talking on his cell phone? Also, according to Radaronline, Jon had a new gf spend the night at the “house” while Kate was camping with her kids. I wonder if she was helping with the remodeling job, lol
Yep I did it this summer when I had the place painted. My daughter and I went to CA. I can’t take the paint smell! No I’m not rich. lol
I think that’s a smart idea…get away and not worry about all the mess. And, with Kate being OCD on stuff, good move to go on vacation. Good to see her loosening up and having fun.
So Rosie, you mean while Kate camped in the backyard (that is where they camped, right?)….the gf was in the house with Jon? Yikes.
So, anyone that has remodeled your kitchen, was your primary thought that it was for the benefit of your kids???? LOL J&K want to remodel their kitchen, fine, go crazy. But don’t do it and tell me it’s all for the good of the kids. Sorry, I had to comment on my biggest pet peeve of this show
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On Entertainment Weekly’s web site there is a video of two reporters discussing the show and essentially, if they are getting divorced, what is the point of the show anymore? Their consensus was that people will still watch for the train wreck factor, which I agree is probably a popular reason for people to watch the show. I just wonder at what point it will stop??? (and yes, I know the first step would be for me to stop watching the show.) Does anyone see a good reason to continue with the show?
Hi Sue,
No, if I was remodeling a kitchen, and when I did, it was for ME ME ME!! I love a nice a kitchen. My only guess is that they were talking about equity since they keep saying the house is for the kids.
As far a s a good reason to continue the show, contractual obligations would be one. Other than that, no. Kate seems to be handling it well. It’s very pleasing to watch w/o the marital strife that was always going on. Still feeling a bit of guilt that when the tups talk to the camera, they don’t really know they’re talking to the world. I mean, that’s my guess, because that’s quite a concept for a little one.
The second one is still on, but I have enjoyed both shows. I like the editing and the way they’re looking back. The flashes on the paps around was interesting to see too.
Sue,
I am no longer watching the show and have not been watching since April. I don’t post here either other than to answer a question if I see one come in. But your post caught my attention. I get and understand your point but…..
When we moved into our current house 21 years ago we remodeled the kitchen and it was totally with the kids in mind. We built a special area for them to do their homework while I was cooking dinner. I guess you could call it a breakfast nook. We knocked down a wall and replaced it with a counter. The counter was for the kids to eat their breakfast at and lunch in the summer and we knocked the wall down so I could have a direct view into the back yard and pool area when I was cooking.
We really did not do anything that was really for me other than install a much larger sink to do dishes in. We probably would have left the kitchen alone if we did not have children.
When I was younger every time renovations happened in the house I was sent away for “visits.” I have asthma and the dust/dirt/etc. always made my breathing problems worse. As to them renovating a “brand new kitchen” I have to say (and I realize this is really shallow) but the kitchen when they moved in was very dated. If I bought a big, expensive house you better believe I would tailor kitchens and bathrooms to suit my tastes. To be entirely honest, I just thought that was normal. We never had any money, but kitchens and bathrooms were always redone when we moved any where.
Of course, it’s hard for me to believe anything that comes out of Jon’s mouth. I would like to believe him when he says his kids are first. It’s evident to me he loves his kids, but really, I just don’t know what to even say about him anymore. If it’s true that yet another girl was seen his leaving their home the other night, I think it demonstrates some intense problem there. It’s just too bizarre for him to keep humiliating the women in his life and having a new intense relationship every week.
I see a good reason to continue the show. For the audience, the kids are still adorable and fun to watch. It is fun to see their personalities blossom.
For Jon and Kate, besides increasing their financial well being, the show gives them a chance to set the record start on a lot of crap that is spewed about them. So many lies and snarky comments were laid to rest. The woman photographed with Kate and the kids in North Carolina was not “not- a -nanny chosen because she makes Kate look thin.” She was Ashley, Carla’s daughter. Kate has not driven all her friends away as they claim. Carla is till in her life obviously in addition to another friend who came to
help clear out the cabinents and the friend whose husband offered a kitchen remodel.
Contrary to what the folks at GWOP would have people believe, Kate does not claim to do it al by herself. She openly admits that Ashley was hired to help in the summer and that the PA’s put up the second tent for her. Also all the snarking about the kids only playing on the driveway was laid to rest, they use the pool every day.
For the kids, I hope they are getting money set aside in a trust fun but they also get opportunities that they would never otherwise have.
Yay my first post! I just wanted to say hi to you all. I miss you all and chatting with you about the show. Though I know a few of you don’t watch anymore, I thought overall the shows tonight were great. Things will never be how they used to be. But if you go watching with a sense of seeing Kate doing things she would never do before (lol) it was really good tonight. I know, I’m biased right??
Free is for me, someone please come and offer me a new free kitchen..Divorce what? Jon who? All kidding aside, watching this show I have had a blast and made many friends. (lol) I AM OUT AND PROUD!!!!
i am still watching the show! i enjoy watching it to be honest. i just don’t think that the kids are being forced to film…nor do i believe that they have to do certain things over and over to *get it right for tv*. i think the kids just do what they do, sometimes there’s a theme set up by tlc or sponsors but i think the kids are just being themselves…and i don’t think they film hours every single day. that’s just crazy to try to make people believe that.
i think that despite kate’s faults, and we ALL have them, kate does admit her shortcomings…and i think she’s pretty honest about it. i think she’s *real*…her lifestyle is just different from mine.
i just recently went through a kitchen reno (do-it-yourself style) and it took us 3 months!! we are now doing a bathroom reno and it has taken us about the same…i had to laugh when the previews from next week came on and the contractors were saying *the floor isn’t square, the walls aren’t square*…lol…welcome to my world!
i was so glad to see many things set straight as paige described above. but i also doubt if this will silent the hatefulness. ya know, i was thinking today about the name truth breeds hatred…and i thought no, the truth will make you free…free from hatred fo sure…it’s very apparent to me that what many people on gwop are being told and believing is not the truth at all.
i am so glad i found this site to discuss this tv show…it’s not one-sided and so pleasant! thanks to whomever is in charge!
We watched as a family and enjoyed the shows. It’s interesting to see how they handled the fact that so much of the back story is well-known. Kate “fessed up” to the help she got from Ashley and Carla and the PA’s, and it made for a better show, IMO. She came across as more genuine.
Jon didn’t come across as well. He’s the one who said the kitchen remodel was for the kids, though I just thought he meant because it would improve the house value. Still, he’s awkward and inarticulate.
I thought there were some cringeworthy moments in the beginning of the show regarding Kate, but the “new attitude” made her seem softer. My family remarked that she seems nicer.
I hadn’t thought of the reasons to keep filming that I see mentioned here. I guess the contract would be one I’d seriously consider because I have no idea what the penalty for not honoring it would be. It’s true Kate can use the show as a vehicle to respond to rumors, but I don’t think it’s necessary that she keep filming. She could give an article or write a book and accomplish the same thing. It’s a good question, Sue.
Once again, the kids were cute and they seemed happy. No meltdowns = a step in the right direction.
I had to give my kids baths so I missed everything after Kate said that Jon was from another planet!
But Pam, I love your idea of creating a homework spot for your kids! I keep trying to do it in my kitchen so I won’t have papers on my kitchen table, but have not had any success! No matter how many times I clean it off it seems as if papers and stuff is magnetically attracted back!
“Still feeling a bit of guilt that when the tups talk to the camera, they don’t really know they’re talking to the world. I mean, that’s my guess, because that’s quite a concept for a little one.” Lily, I understand what you mean. I caught a piece of that and I have to say it was one of my favorite parts of the show. If the show must go on, I would like to see more of the kids life and less of the nonkid stuff. At the same time, I would gladly give up seeing the kids grow up if they can go back to living as private life as they could have at this point.
Paige, after the last not a nanny left (I can’t remember her name, the one who was on last year’s 4th of July trip), J&K have given the impression that they no longer have had a nanny. I believe that J&K said this themselves in an article – Good Housekeeping maybe? In addition, Ashley isn’t the regular nanny they have – why not show her? And if they have a regular nanny – why does Ashley need to be there? And while I agree that the show provides J&K with a forum to set the record straight, at the same time, if they stop the show and move out of the limelight, most of the snarky comments will die down eventually. Most people will move on.
On a non J&K note, can I add that I hate when TLC rips off other reality show ideas – they are never as good as the original! This cake contest show is driving my crazy but I have to see how the cakes turn out!
Paige, You stated many of the things that I was thinking as I watched the episodes tonight.
The kids are still adorable. I have enjoyed watching them grow. It’s so obvious that they are loved and that they love each other. Despite J&K’s shortcomings, they have done many things right with their kids, because they wouldn’t be the happy, loving and poised for their age kids that they are if their parents hadn’t raised them in a caring home, despite their own relationship. (I don’t know if that came out right, but you get my drift!) The Gosselin kids always seem to have a good time with each other. I particularly like the newer interaction between the twins, who, though are different in many ways, really do have a tight bond.
I also agree that the show gives Jon and Kate to answer their detractors, not in so many words, but by their actions. Truthfully, I don’t know how they put up with all the outlandish crap that is written about them!
Kate has NEVER claimed to do it all by herself, but even with help, eight kids under the age of nine constitutes a huge responsiblity and a lot of work…. She’d be nuts not to have help!
Sue, I thought the best cake won. I was disappointed with the other two, and you’re right…Food TV does better cake contests.
We heard in Jan. (from Jon at Penn State) that the Asian Nanny doesn’t want to be seen on TV. We heard from Kate during the time she was speaking to the press about their marriage problems that Jon complained about being a house husband when she was gone so they hired the Asian nanny to help when he was in charge. When they said they didn’t have a nanny in the fall, I suspect they didn’t. I actually believe Kate that the Asian nanny was hired after she started the book tour and Jon felt like he needed help. I also believe them that she’s part time. Some one watches those kids when Jon is living there but he isn’t home. I believe reports that he socializes locally. So maybe the Asian nanny is there then? Maybe Ashley? She goes away to college during the school year, so Kate’s probably being honest about her being hired to help for the summer.
We’ve seen a series of helpers on this show throughout the seasons. I think it’s fair to say that Kate and Jon have had help, and they haven’t hidden it.
Erin, When I was growing up and we did renovations, I was woke up and had to get on it. My dad put me to work. My mother changed one kitchen so many times that my dad finally diagrammed it all out on paper with little cutouts of everything. He told her to decide once and for all, cause it was the last time.
I was surprised the kids were on the couch. I like that they give the twins a chance to talk. They are all so cute, but I found I was having a harder time telling them apart. I can always get Aaden, but it was harder to tell w/the rest of them.
I mainly jumped back on to say welcome to Kimmie and anyone else who might be new. It’s hard to keep track, but Hi to all.
i was so glad to see many things set straight as paige described above. but i also doubt if this will silent the hatefulness. ya know, i was thinking today about the name truth breeds hatred…and i thought no, the truth will make you free…free from hatred fo sure…it’s very apparent to me that what many people on gwop are being told and believing is not the truth at all.
Very good thinking Kimmie. Let me add…hate brings gossip.
As for the nanny….wasn’t that the gal who specifically didn’t want to be shown? As for having Ashley there, maybe the nanny was on vacation or had a family emergency of her own, thus Ashley being there. Or, maybe she quit. But, we would all know that because the truth will have been plastered all over GWOP how Kate banishes the Not a Nanny.
It’s amazing to see the kids’ personalities. They are all so cute. I especially enjoy seeing Mady and Cara being the good big sisters they are.
Theresa, I know, you’re talking about the Korean nanny Jon mentioned at that student group. Sometime before the Utah interview?? I think that’s it.
If there is ever a Jeopardy based solely on the Gosselins, I will do my best to enter.
Sad part Lily is that Gosselin Jeopardy will be hosted by Danny Bonaducci and the show will be canceled after a few episodes because reality tv screwed him up so much. He’ll be replaced by Carnie Wilson.
I watched last night and have to admit I was VERY impressed with kate seeming to be more laid back and softer in her demeaner over all.
Our kitchen is designed with the cook and kids in mind. In the back we have a homeowrk center for the kids.
I will admit that one thing Jon said is VER true. A project that big with all of the tools is very dangerous for the kids to be around. It was wise for safety reasons not to have 8 kids in that mix.
Kate has been pretty honest about when she gets help with the tent etc….
Did they POST a date at the start of the kitchen remod. show stating this was back in January?? I could have sworn I saw that. The twins could have gone back for many reasons. They are a tiny tad older, go to school, have friends and maybe had somthing going on with friends??? I did a LOT of that whe i was their age.
Also Jon did NOT not not not have his girl of the week AT the house while Kate and the kids were camping outside the back door. Kate is a pretty good parent and would NEVER allow that. To expose her children to Jon’s new girl of the week. I think not. LOL It was Kates turn to be at the house (this is why they bought the seperate places to live so they could go to their apartments while the other had a visit at the house)
It was fun seeing the kids on the couch. Cara and Mady seem more laid back. The kids are having less meltdowns but that comes with age. ALL kids have meltdowns and when you have 6 the same age YIKES! I know that my little man (3) has them I just cannot imagine this x 6 or 8.
Although I don’t plan on watching the show on a regular basis, I turned it on for the last 10 minutes of the camping episode. I am not a fan of Kate at all, and have a lot less respect for Jon than I used to, but the kids are still fun to watch. Some are quite articulate, and I enjoyed seeing the old over-the-top Mady back again. Her dental work is looking great, too. Kate is depicted as being more relaxed, but this is a show so who knows what was left on the cutting room floor.
I love that the kids are doing interview time now. I would watch them any day over their parents.
I have to admit that I was surprised by the laid back Kate. I am really curious if this is legit or if this is kind of an “image makeover” type thing. It just seems sooo out of character for her. In any case, I am sure the kids are more at ease.
I thought Jon came across just fine. (on this episode, not in life as of late) He’s always seemed kind of awkward to me on camera.
Which girlfriend did they say slept over? I am having a hard time keeping up these days…
Just as I thought would happen Kate seems to be a much calmer, happier person now that she has made decisions that needed to be made! At the risk of sounding prejudice I think she will progress throughout time once she completely realizes that she does not need a “man” to complete her and that she is very capable of doing things on her own. I think her girls will benefit too since the “tups” comments seem to center around “she’s a girl” when they were asked about Mom setting up the camping night. Do not get me wrong I am not against men, just against the idea that a woman needs one to feel complete and to do things that “men” do. Jon can go sleep with all the women he wants to but in the end he may find out that the best woman he could ever have no longer needs him! Kate is the mother, full time I might add, breadwinner, author and whatever else she needs to be for her kids. Jon on the other hand needs to zip up his pants, put out the cigarettes and be a father to his kids. I do not doubt that he “loves” them but that his priorities are sadly out of order….as a parent you do not always get your cake and eat it too, Jon needs to leave his single life at the gate when he comes home to “take his turn” while Kate is out trying to make the dough to keep this brood afloat! I he doesn’t he will be raising boys who think they can do whatever they want with no consequences, just my opinion, but kids do imitate what they see.
I haven’t seen it yet. Will catch the rerun sometime this week. I imagine the new dynamic takes some getting used to!
Angela, the media can’t even keep up. I saw on E that they were still reporting Kate’s apartment in MD and didn’t seem to know that had been refuted earlier in the week.
Here’s the link to the new girl. I had thought it might have been Kate the reporter, but it’s not. It’s someone Jon has hired to watch the kids sometime. According to the article, they left the bar together and they spent the rest of the night in the apartment over the garage. It’s not cool to do the sitter, if she really ever sat for the kids. I don’t want to judge this girl based on this little bit of info, but I don’t see Kate being thrilled w/his choice as a sitter.
Lily, I’ll take Gosselin Trivia for $500!
The latest stuff on Jon – yuck! Even though I know it’s none of my business, I do question what is going in the background. Is Kate thinking about filing for sole physical custody? It seems Jon’s behavior gets more and more outrageous and yet we see him back at the house taking care of the kids. I don’t know if other adults are there, but his judgment is so lacking it would make me nervous to have him the only adult in charge of so many little ones. On the other hand, clearly the kids adore their dad and I am sure Kate doesn’t want to hinder their relationship. I wouldn’t want to be in Kate’s shoes trying to decide what to do.
As for the episodes. I enjoyed them both – especially the camping one. Is Kate undergoing an image makeover? Perhaps, but that doesn’t mean it’s all fake. Perhaps with the divorce she has taken stock of her life and decided it was time to make some changes. I certainly liked the Kate we saw. She was game to try new things, patient, funny and not too controlling. The kids were adorable as usual. Re: the couch interview, I do understand the concerns about the kids not really understanding their words are going out to so many, but on the other hand, these segments are some of my favorite parts. And it’s clear the kids do not rehearse or say certain lines. I loved when Alexis had her back to the camera or was twisting around. Girl can’t stay still!
I think the proof that these kids are being raised well is in the loving, kind interaction they have with each other. That has and will always be my favorite part of the show.
I love seeing so many names and their thoughts: Sue, Paige, Kimmie, Joy, Judy, Angela and many others. I really appreciate the community here.
Ok, Jon is getting extremely skanky. This behavior is only (maybe) acceptable in COLLEGE.
Rosie, I agree with you about the gender roles they touched on in the camping episode. It is interesting to see how the little ones also called tent pitching a man’s job. I think women would be surprised to see what they can do if they simply try.
Example: I am leaps and bounds better than my boyfriend when it comes to furniture assembly. I think this would be considered a man’s job by some. I am good at it because I can follow instructions. I was so proud when I put my Ikea bed and dresser together all by myself. (Now, it took me like a half a day, but it’s cool) The boyfriend, on the other hand, is awful. He doesn’t have the patience to read the instructions, so he starts screwing random parts together. Then he gets frustrated because the piece ends up all lopsided and wrong.
I don’t think that we are like every other couple in the world, but I encourage all women to step outside the gender box and see what they can do! That sounds really cheesy…
I can’t imagine that it’s true about Kate allowing Jon to have his sluts at the house. I’m sorry if that’s offensive to anyone but any woman that would sleep with him with all the women he’s been with since Kate, IMO, is a slut. Why would she allow that? It’s defintley not good for the kids to be exposed to these people. It just doesn’t seem “Kate-like” to go along with that. I hope she gets sole custody and kicks Jon off the premises for good.
As for the change in Kate, I see a much softer, humble, laid-back side to her. I hope the show continues because I like seeing the growth and independence that she is exhibiting. After some of the comments made by the girls “daddy knows how…” and “only men know how…”, it will be good for them to see their mom accomplish (and surpass) what they only know daddy to know how to do.
Someone mentioned false statements being made on gwop about Kate taking all the credit for the tent setup and other things. I find it hilarious that they notice her feet being dirty in one of her couch interviews but can’t catch when she admits that she’s getting help.
Anya I love reading your posts too! One thing I have to say though and people might get mad at me but (having done social work in the past) I can tell you that most kids love their moms & dads even if they are pot heads, drunks and beat them…sad to say but they keep thinking they are the problem not the parent. Not saying that is the case here, just saying that Jon is the big kid here and Kate is the disiplinarian hence the kids past comments to her. But now that I think of it, aren’t those roles pretty typical in many families? (Ever watch “The Nanny” lol) At least when I was growing up because Dad “worked hard all day” and Mom stayed at home, lol Not to get political here but the one thing I like about our new president is that he is calling on fathers to take responsibilty for their kids….I think that means the kids should be the FIRST priority and not their “new found freedom”! Kate should not have to tell Jon to leave his “love interests” at the gate, as a father he should know better, I don’t care how big that house or property are!
Off-topic:
Angela,
I am impressed that you can put anything Ikea together. I am a verbal, not a spatial person. The instructions are just pictures or a language I don’t read/speak, so Ikea is not something I can do. I’ve tried. My husband is the opposite. My kids? A little of both, thankfully, so they all can put Ikea together.
When you have kids, you’ll do great with Legos. It’s the same thing. All pictures, no words. Kudos!
You know what made us laugh out loud last night? When Kate was describing which kids like to play alone, then her amazement that any of them would complain that they have no one to play with. I came from a big family, children close in age, and I know what those tups mean. Sometimes it means, “I don’t have anyone to listen to me and play the way I want it to be played.” Sometimes it means, “I wish my brothers and sisters weren’t here, but my school friends, instead.” But to the mom? Well, I guess it is a head-scratcher!
i think a lot of the reason kate seems/is softer and less controlling is that her kids are older. they don’t have to have as much done for them now. that has to ease up the stress level of getting them dressed, fed, etc. that and (having been through a divorce where the ex’s behavior was questionable) i think she has been humbled in a way no woman should be.
i certainly hope the time the girl stayed over was not when they were camping. actually i pretty much now it couldn’t have been…the tents were right outside the garage area. and since it wasn’t jon’s turn with the kids THEN i think it was a different time. i don’t know but i bet that when it’s not his turn he is not at the home in pennsylvania.
i also was impressed when kate said she guessed jon was not so far out in his mentioning an under the counter fridge. i don’t think she has shown the least bit of trying to put him down since all this…on the show, to the kids, or to the press. that’s impressive considering his actions of late.
they had to have done something right to have raised kids who love each other so much and are so loving and friendly.
the asian nanny has been shown in the papparazzi pix i’ve seen about a week ago. i bet she is there when jon is and kate is gone in case jon goes out. i wonder if it was a plan to give jon a little freedom when he first started feeling unhappy? but i would think from earlier shows when kate has talked about just wanting their family to be together etc that when she is home wiht the kids she has no need for the nanny’s services. and nanny’s do have days off and not all nanny’s are live-in.
crazy at it seems i still hope they get back together..lol.
First off, let me say that I am no longer a fan of the show. I’m not because I feel duped like the rest of the supposed J&K haters. We were introduced to a family of multiples with the struggles of everyday life. The children were cute, the parents were loving and devoted to their children and each other, it seemed. Sure, they weren’t perfect, but that only made them more enduring. They wondered how they were going to pay for Christmas one year, they stretched their meals etc.. Oh, I was a big fan alright until I noticed online chatter that made me wonder if things really were the way they were. Jealous naysayers, I thought to myself and continued to watch the show.
Then the show changed. It became less about the family and family adventures, to nothing more than a domesticated shopping channel and cross-promotions of other TLC shows. I even found myself looking for price tags on the clothes the children wore or J&K’s new designer clothes with websites on where I could go to buy them. Coleman camp gear, anyone?
I also feel duped because sure, J&K admitted they were separating but only after tabloids started reporting problems. I somehow feel like if no one would have found out they were having marital problems, they still would be trying to keep the charade of being together to this day. I know most of you have noticed Kate’s kinder personality. Don’t you think that the show’s producers realized that Kate was rubbing people the wrong way and instructed her to show a softer side to keep viewers happy?? Sure she’s admitting she has help, and PAs and a nanny. She has too, the tabloids seem to be keeping her in check. As nasty as the paps are, they’ll hunt down the helpers to get the story.
I can’t imagine how difficult divorce can be on everyone involved, and I do feel bad for the family in that respect. I do wish that the show was more real. Come on Kate, admit that you can afford to pay someone to come put in a screen for you. You’re not poor so enough with the “Poor little me” routine. THAT, is rubbing people the wrong way. Sorry, I know most of you here are supporters and I respect your point of view which is why I come here to read posts. I hope, in turn you can appreciate mine. I think the supposed “Kate haters” pick on her because she is the most outspoken parent. I’m sure their disgust is directed at Jon as well. The show is not what is used to be, it’s gone from “non-fiction” to “fiction” under the disguise of a reality show. Call it what it is.
OK Renee you are entitled to your opinion and that is what I love about this site: everyone can give their opinion and no one is deleted! But I do have to ask one question: How can anyone be “duped” by a TV show??? I mean it is a TV show! I love the movie MaMa Mia! but I know it is just a movie, they are all meant to entertain, and that is what they do….take it with a grain of salt and what it is meant to do: entertain. IMHO if you are not entertained then do not watch it…really I turn the channel on shows that I find not entertaining or downright awful…but I must admit I love watching parents go through the things they go through, like in The Nanny…I mean common sense is what it teaches and I been telling my adults kids the same thing for years but somehow when the Nanny says it, well then it must be true, lol Go figure. Oh and don’t us older folks wish we had friends like the Golden Girls, gosh that show is funny and entertaining! But again just a TV show, sadly, lol
Thanks, Renee. I don’t think you are alone in feeling like it was too much of a sham. I agree that had Jon not been caught with a girl in the spring, they might have continued to portray themselves as a couple with a decent marriage for the show. I don’t think most people like to discuss their failing marriage. That’s a problem with reality shows. We can never really know what they’ll choose to hide from us, since it’s human nature to hide things that might shame us. Frankly, I am glad they tried to keep some of this private. I assume there are things about the kids that we don’t (and shouldn’t) know, too. In fact, hiding some of this is a step in the right direction, IMO.
The advertising of the resorts or products only annoyed me occasionally. They sometimes seem forced. Other times, they seemed sincere. Again, JMO. I always thought the kids were honest about whether an activity was fun or boring, though.
I never minded their speaking to churches because I didn’t think it was lying. I believe Kate was raised in a religious household and truly feels that God supported her through a very difficult pregnancy and first few years. My understanding is that they talked about what they learned from the experience. Jon seems to have turned from that lifestyle, but that doesn’t mean he wasn’t sincere. Could I be wrong? Of course, but who could possibly know their hearts about this?
To me it’s obvious that Kate can afford a lot, including hiring someone to come out and put a screen in for her. It’s hardly practical to have someone do such an easy job though.
My biggest objection to this show is the cost to the kids’ privacy. I still have concerns about that, because of the divorce. Last night’s show didn’t really show anything about the kids that I found objectionable. Maybe someone else did. I completely agree with you that the divorce is sad and I share your feelings about that. Thanks for writing in with another perspective.
Everyone knows, and you can go back to the original episodes if you wish, that this “show” was sold as a documentary “to record our family memories because we don’t have enough time with 8 kids to do it ourselves”. That’s why I was “duped”. TLC network is life- “unscripted” right? If it’s just a TV show, meant to entertain, like the sitcom “The Golden Girls” well then call it that. That’s fine. I just feel bad for the children when they grow up and realize that their childhood was considered by some as a form of entertainment–to be leered at by peepers though a camera lens. They did not have a choice in this, don’t forget. I am watching no more. I just know some of you were wondering why Kate is hated so much. I just wanted to put in my perspective. To be this involve with a family we do not know is not healthy and I admit, I am just as guilty. I’m starting to wonder why I even care.
Renee, I never watched when it was a documentary show. Maybe it was at first, then they changed to a reality show when they signed with TLC? I was duped by “reality show” once, so I know how you feel. I watched the first season of “Survivor “and really believed that the guy who won was hated by everyone. It was all editing. On the finale show, the other participants said such nice things about him. I learned then that reality show might mean “unscripted” but also “heavily edited to draw viewers.” For one of the seasons, TLC advertised the show by saying “TLC: Tender Loving Control-freak” about Kate. I was clued-in by that commercial that they would be showing her worst side.
Now, THAT didn’t bother me. If Kate didn’t care how she was portrayed, why should I? Back then, though, I also thought they showed the worst side of one of the chidlren, too, and I thought THAT was awful. I thought the editing was cruel and unfair. I don’t see it anymore. I suspect Kate and Jon put an end to that type of editing of the kids.
i don’t think they duped anyone. i think they were exactly what they represented themselves to be…but things changed…it has for everyone. my husband and i are not the same people we were when we first married, nor are we in the same financial situation. we can hire things done but usually don’t. i don’t shop as wisely as i used to when the boy was home and we made a much smaller paycheck.
also, i have been through a divorce and a cheating husband. just because they show parts of their lives on tv doesn’t mean that they should have to share all their thoughts and feelings to us. some things are just too hard to talk about and share…especially when it first happens.
i don’t think the kids are being exploited. i think they are filming the kids doing what they’d be doing anyway. yes, tlc may set up certain situations/themes/places but i think they then film the kids as they’d be in those situations/themes/places if the film crew wasn’t there. and i do not believe they film them all day every day…not at all. i enjoy the show and really liked the new ones last night…and i will continue watching.
i think ann hit it right about the church thing. but i look at it just the same…things change. christians aren’t perfect and some people don’t have as close relationships with god as they used to or should. but judging a person’s heart is very dangerous. i believe that is why god instructs us to get the beam from our own eye before talking about the beam in someone else’s.
there is a difference in not agreeing with a person’s actions or lifestyle and actually hating them…that is the part i totally disagree with. don’t like the direction the show has taken? don’t think kate is really changed? tired of seeing the freebies they get? don’t watch. but don’t hate and belittle and gossip and call names…that isn’t right.
honestly i think with kate peple enjoy mocking her and finding fault with her, yes and hating her. and i think that’s very sad…for the people who do so.
“To be this involve with a family we do not know is not healthy and I admit, I am just as guilty.”
I agree that some people are too involved with a family they don’t know. No one should be so invested that they hate anyone involved in this show. Sadly, that seems to be true in some cases.
I think I’ll take the high road and leave it at that, Ann. Thanks for being open to a different point of view.
I thought there was a huge difference in Kate. She really seems to have mellowed. If all of this helps her stop and enjoy her children, maybe something good will have come of it. She seemed less concerned with everything being perfect. I’m happy for her if that is the case.
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As for Jon and his actions–maybe he can parlay his fame and conduct into a season of “The Bachelor”
Thanks, Renee. I think your perspective adds a lot to the dicussion.
All reality shows are fiction to a greater or lesser degree. They can’t show episode after episode of the same boring day-to-day routine. Each episode needs a different theme or hook. They do that with Duggars – taking the kids on different trips (Dollywood for example) to have something to base an episode around.
I have no problem with the complaints about the show being too commercial. I don’t agree but I understand the point. I have no problems with the debates about whether the children are exploited. I don’t agree but understand the point.
I have a problem with all the comments directed at Kate about her hair, her clothes, her weight, her figure, etc. That is petty, hateful gossip that actually paints the people who post it in a worse light than Kate. It demonstrates that, no matter how much they claim they are interested in protecting the kids, what they really want to do is be hurtful to another human being.
I have a problem with the efforts to prevent Kate from appearing at speaking engagements or on TV. The people who don’t like her and don’t want to see her don’t have to watch but what right to do they have to try to control what other people can attend and see? There is nothing admirable in compaigning to destroy a person because you don’t approve of their life choices.
Honestly, the hateful people who post all the hateful stff about Kate make Kate look good in comparison.
If the TV stations would bring back quality shows for people to watch we probably would not get so hooked on these “reality” shows, or at least I probably wouldn’t…but I must admit I do like the ones that provide some education with them like the show “Little People, Big World”. I don’t know how real all the stuff is on it but it really gave me some insite into how the “Little People” feel and deal with the day to day problems of having everything around them geared to “average size” people. Has anyone ever watched this show as I have? Seems interesting that they show the good, the bad and the ugly about this family and no one gets upset like they do with the Jon & Kate show. I mean they have 4 kids being filmed too, only one is a “little person”. Any ideas why that is? I don’t think it is advertised as a “documentary” for me, it is just a show I stumbled upon when nothing else was on..
which is becoming more frequent every day! Hundreds of channels on my cable TV and nothing to watch, 
Jon has a new interview in InTouch Weekly-
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It’s pretty much the story he told Jodi and Kevin, minus the “affair” with Steve. I can believe something like this happened, but I don’t think it was “out of the blue”, or that he doesn’t know the reasons for it. I don’t think people blame him as much for the break up, as for his actions since then. He has made himself look bad, and has squandered most of the good will people had for him.
I really don’t think anyone is telling Kate how to behave. If TLC didn’t have a problem with her personality before (in fact, it was one of the main “attractions” to the show), then I don’t see why they would try to change it now. I don’t think it would be possible, anyway. I think she is just relieved that some of the stress from her marriage is gone.
The ratings were good for the new shows. I read that they had 4 million viewers for the first episode, and 4.2 for the second. It will be intersting to see what happens to the ratings in the coming weeks. I don’t know if I would like to see as much of Jon on a show as we did of Kate this week. He seems kind of boring to me on his own, but he may surprise me.
Oh my. Thanks for the link Kiki. I was really put off by his comments about how Hailey never expects him to ask for permission to go out like Kate did. To echo Kate, what planet is he from?
He doesn’t have to ask his 22 year old girlfriend for permission to do anything. But when you’re married with eight children you can’t just up and go out without some spousal communication.
Wonder how “cool” his little girlfriend would be if they were married with several children? His statements are laughable. I find his version of how things happened highly questionable.
Samantha@IW if my mouth were not hanging open in disbelief after reading that article then I would be saying I totally agree with you!
I mean when is this guy gonna get it? I am so glad that I am NOT Kate and Jon should be happy I am not Kate too! If only he would take a moment away from doing his many gfs and watch all the videos of himself saying just the opposite of what he says in those interviews, well then he might just shut up! Personally I think his new PR company told him that his ratings have fallen and he needs to find a way to make us like him again…is it possible that the GWOP site is getting tired of all the Kate hatred they spew and now the real Jon is “shining” 
through? Perhaps this is not new behavior for Jon perhaps this is the Jon who always was, you know I often wonder where he was when Kate was on her 30 week bedrest waiting for the tups to come…think about it! 
Also to Paige: well spoken! Tysm!
I wouldn’t call this interview complete BS just yet. I am sure that Kate will offer some sort of rebuttal in a different tabloid publication. Compare both sides and go right down the middle. There’s your real story. That’s how these things usually go, isn’t it?
Kate acted shrewlike (in my opinion) waaaayyy before all of this marriage drama, so I don’t think this new attitude has much to do with it.
I honestly think that Kate’s personal PR people (not necessarily TLC) are telling her that she needs to chill out and be more likable to the general public.
It’s very smart, actually. All of those tabloid pictures of her with the kids + a friendlier TV Kate = a better public perception. Compare that with Jon and all of his bad press. Kate wins hands down. The court of public opinion is easily swayed, after all.
No, it shouldn’t be about that, but I still don’t have much faith in either party right now.
Again, this is all my very very humble opinion.
I did not mean to offend anyone re my comment to Reggie, however I do not think that any articles should be copied and pasted, and given as gospel, as Reggie’s comments were. Those words were taken from the Star site verbatim. There could be a copywrite issue also. Just MHO but I would rather read what everyone is thinking about the subject and not what some rag paper has printed to sell copies..do people still buy them? Also to Angela, I think Kate mentioned somewhere along the way that she watched some of the tapes and found herself to be much too up tight and nasty and that she was going to work on being a nicer person. I think I would have the same feeling, and sometimes do, when I see home movies of myself,
I have offered my opinion and nobody seemed to care for it.
IMO both J&K are simply using the audience to futher their agenda. First it was the church audience and now it is the television audience. Plain and simple. And I don’t understand why some people keep trying to defend either one of them. They are using the children to make money and it’s wrong.
What is going to happen to these kids when the cameras go away? They are now attached to the cameras and the crew and they won’t understand when in the future people in general don’t find them amusing or funny. They have been trained to make cute remarks and to do adorable things for the cameras which will eventually disappear. Who is going to undo all of the remaining damage? Kate with her multiple personality disorders or Jon with his passive aggressive temperament? There is no one stable person influencing these eight children and I find that tragic.
And that is my opinion. You asked for it.
Reggie you are certainly welcome to express your opinion and so do I, that is what makes this site the fairest of them all. So here goes: I do have problems with people who simply regurgitate what they read in the rag papers ie; Star, In Touch, Enquirer and so on and so on. However I do also wonder why those people who say they are only concerned about the children, of Kate & 8, but do not seem equally concerned about all the children in all the other “reality” shows that are currently on the air? IMHO I think they are more focused on this show because of Kate who is a strong woman and for some reason that bothers some people who think women should still be just “barefoot and pregnant” and walk three steps behind their men (perhaps a burka would make them happy too). Otherwise, in my humble opinion, they would be after all the “reality” shows that have children in them. I mean do you have any idea how those kids are treated or possibly abused, according to the Kate haters? I do not and I doubt that anyone really knows unless they are there as part of the family….hmmm maybe the (8) kids will write a book too and then we will all know the truth!
I bet they give 8 different versions of it 
good post paige…i agree!
the in touch interview (in the above link) doesn’t ring true to me. no mention of deanna hummel, no mention of the woman sneaking out of his home the other day, no mention of the reports from michael lohan and that woman from desparate housewives, jill someone, that he was intiamte with that reporter…he’s leaving out a lot of stuff.
also, if kate wanted to further her career i’m sure she’d rather he be there wiht the kids as always…why would she all of a sudden say she was done. maybe he was doing things he shouldn’t even then? i don’t know but it just doesn’t all add up.
i agree that there is his side, her side and the truth.
oh…and either way neither of them deserve anyone’s hatred.
I’m going to make a concerted effort not to take much stock in what’s being said by Kate or Jon about their split for a while, maybe years, because I think the combination of exaggerated emotions while in the midst of divorce and the TLC and PR firms trying to find solid footing is probably really skewing what we’re being shown. If their lives were edited before their marital troubles became public, you can bet what we’re seeing now is severely manipulated.
Just one example, in the InTouch article excerpt Jon claims to still be in a relationship with Hailey and he’s pictured with another chick at the house by RadarOnline within days of making this statement. It certainly gives me reason to question much of what he might say.
I think it’s interesting he places the timing of Kate telling him their marriage was over as October now….Kevin and Jodi said 6 months in their first Radar interview, and that would have put the timing at Dec. (unless that’s just when Jon told them). IIRC, Kate didn’t really kick off her traveling for work until Sept/October, so for her to come to him and want to end their marriage because of her “career” seems odd. Plus, career and marriage are not either/or things.
October is also when they bought/moved into the new house. Who buys a new house when you know your marriage is breaking up?
Maybe Kate’s never given him a reason for wanting out. I’ve certainly heard of relationships ending like that.
Let’s just say I think there’s a whole lot that’s gone on that we don’t know and will probably never know, and I’m sure there’s a whole lot going on behind the scenes now than we’re aware of.
For the kids’ sake, I’m glad we don’t know.
I, personally, could care less what they do about their marriage and who they date. I have, however, been exceedingly concerned about how much Jon & Kate are “putting out there” (words & photos) for their kids to find some day.
From what I’ve seen of the kids in recent shows, they seem to be doing pretty well. But we haven’t seen anything that’s been filmed since the divorce was filed (that I know of…Bald Head Island was before divorce announcement, but not sure about camping).
I sincerly hope that Jon & Kate don’t make the mistake of having too many “dates” in and out of their children’s lives (let alone spending the night on their property). There’s enough for these kids to deal with right now. Knowing your parents are starting to date is one thing, having it in your face is another, and having it all over the tabloids is beyond the pale.
And one last thing. I mentioned months ago that Jon should be careful about who he brings on his property and around his children. I believe it’s a HUGE mistake, when you’re concerned about security, (and internet rumors about hidden money abound) to have too many people become familiar with your property and security measures. Even the nicest people talk, and who knows who they’re talking to?!?!?!
As an aside, I’m actually shocked there wasn’t an agreement between Jon and Kate to keep their dating lives away from the house/kids. Maybe there was and Jon broke it, don’t know.
I sure hope they get it together.
Rambling thoughts over….
Well, you can tell I haven’t posted about the Gosselins in a while.
Sorry for the outrageously long post, everybody!
Very well said Cella, I couldn’t agree more.
Thanks, Sam!
Glad you made it through the Gosselin blogging version of “War and Peace”!
I read the War & Peace too Cella and I totally agree with you.
Right on to Paige, Rosie, Kiki, Kimmie and Samantha. Samantha, you hit the nail on the head…communication is key in a marriage.
“I have, however, been exceedingly concerned about how much Jon & Kate are “putting out there” (words & photos) for their kids to find some day.”
WORD to that, Cella. I think we can all agree that this tabloid stuff is bed news for those little ones. I just can’t understand why they don’t install some sort of privacy/security fence around their property. That would at least help when they are home.
No, they shouldn’t have to, but this is their reality now. If it were me, I would be highly concerned… not just about the paps, but there are plenty of creepy creepy people out there. Heaven forbid.
Cella, I hadn’t even thought about the safety aspects of having “girlfriends” at the house. Especially the one with the brother who has a record.
And don’t forget everyone, Kate Major is on E! News tonight. Check your local listings!
I’m sure she’ll be a real treat.
OK after seeing all the stuff that Jon “may have said” today I have come to the conclusion that, IMHO, he must be a Pathological Liar. If you look up the def you will see that people who are Pathological Liars actually believe what they are saying is the truth. How else can we explain all the interviews that Jon has given each saying something different then the last one? Just my opinion but it also seems to me that Jon needs this media attention since he keeps talking to anybody with a pencil in their hand…and he poses for photos too. Nice for a guy who sat on the couch a few months ago and said he was tired of being “Jon & Kate plus 8″…guess he forgot he said that too, go figure! Now he says it’s all Kate’s fault, spoken like someone who has never had to take responsibility for their own behavior!
Welcome back Reggie
It is wonderful to see you back.
Rosie your comments were wonderful. You are a very well spoken person. I always enjoy reading your comments.
The article that was written Oh where was it??? The NEW YORK TIMES? USA TODAY? Nawwwwwww it was in a RAG SHEET. A waste of paper and a shame to kill a tree for such dishonest crap.
I watched the show and enjoyed it very much. The kids are oh so adorable as usual. They most certainly DO NOT rely on cameras. They all go to school with cameras and function just fine. They do not need them to fill a need. Sure they ham it up all of my kids do that as well. The kids from my ‘outside’ perspective seem very well adjusted, bright, and very normal (tantrums and all)
REGGIE is right about one thing. Jon and Kate ARE using their show audience to fill their own agenda. Yes they are to have a ton of footage of their wonderful kids grwoing up that they would never get on their own because of the number. They are also using it to put their kids in a HUGE, wonderful, more private, out in the country home . They are using it to be able to afford to put 8 (eight EIGHT) kids through private schools and then through college. They are using it to give their kids once in a lifetime experiences and travels. I dont feel used at all as the audience. I am glad that they are able to do all of this to provide for those wonderful sweet kids.
The kids are going to be fine when the cameras go away one day. As much as Jon is a shmuck and a BAD husband and is selfish he does love his kids. I know that Kate adores those kids. You cant fake that kind of love and devotion that she expresses in her eyes and they way she acts with them most of the time.
I cant wait to see the next episode on Monday. Take care and have a wonderful day.
A not so humble comment
Thanks so much for your kind words Joy! Sometimes after I press the send button I think oh good grief I should not have said that and then I try and find the delete button,
I love reading your comments too, it is refreshing to be able to debate this issue and not get personal as some people do (hint, hint I think we know who 
) But I must say I am a big supporter of women with kids, especially 8! Imagine that, ole Jonboy gets to tell his gf he is going out and she says he doesn’t need her permission just go have fun! Wonder what she would say if she was staying home with 8 kids after having been home with them all day….ahh for the wisdom of the young people 
You have a great day Joy and thanks again for showing me the smileys I use them often as you can see! 
Cella,
That’s how I feel about the Gosselins. I wonder what is happening behind the scenes and praying for the sake of the kids we never find out. It’s not worth it.
First post here.
The obvious draw for the show is the adorable antics of 8 adorable children, but I haven’t heard a lot of internet chatter about what was the big hook for me: seeing this interracial couple on television (an Asian man and Caucasian woman, no less) that were NOT specifically highlighted as an interracial couple. Sure Jon’s heritage was brought up, but it wasn’t the focus, just a fact. As an Asian (who happens to be in an interracial relationship) that’s cool for me. It’s a step in the right direction to clearing up the misconceptions in the media. I’m not talking about discrimination or prejudice or anything too heavy, just the perception that Asians (or half Asians, quarter Asians) can’t be completely typical—talk without an accent and all that jazz. I think Jon and Kate did a great job of clearing up this unspoken issue about race. I think this focus (or ‘un’focus, as the case may be) was much better than one of their professed reasons for doing the show: to clear up misconceptions about having an abnormally large number of multiples. That’s not an issue most Americans can relate, IMO, however initially fascinating it was. I applaud Jon and Kate for the help with the race issue.
However, I don’t applaud most of their behavior. Reprehensible, most of it, and certainly not the way I would want to conduct myself if my children and the world were watching. It’s their right to do what they want, but it’s also my right to have an opinion on their behavior, especially if they’re putting it out there on their REALITY SHOW. But I digress.
I mostly came on here to agree with Renee. I think you were spot on about the direction the show has taken. It’s gotten too commercial and made me too uncomfortable to keep watching. And do I think the kids are being used for financial gain? Hell yea. I have a problem with children supporting parents, even in an extraordinary circumstance like this one. While I think the children benefit from the show (financially), the negatives so distressingly obvious (for me—just little old me) that I wonder how much money is worth, these days.
Claire, nice to see a new poster.
Welcome.
I appreciate your perspective. I think some of what you touched on hasn’t really been explored enough and found your perspective interesting.
I hope you will continue to post.
It is interesting that Jon is tired of being blamed when Kate is the one who has had the most hate directed at her. Jon would still be the sympathetic figure if he was acting in a responsible manner. I expect the thinks that if he convinces the world he waited 6-9 months to date after Kate ended things, everybody will be sympathetic to him again.
But in truth, if he was acting like a responsible adult, I don’t think he would be getting as much negative feedback at all. And really I think his behavor will prevent this “blame Kate” piece from having the effect he wants.
His “I waited 8 months since Kate told me it was over and until after se filed divorced papers to date a woman I love” is just not believable given that he was photgraphed drunk with Deanna, coming out of her house in the morning, and having her at his house back in April. If he is in love with Hailey, then what is he doing spending a weekend with Kate Major in the Hamptons? And if he wants to claim that was all a facrication on Kate Major’s part, what was he doing with that Stephanie girl spending the night with him? I won’t hold him responsible for the demise of his marriage (that can rest on both of them), but I hold him responsible for handling his post-seperation life in way that makes woman seem like interchangeable playmates.
FYI Everyone: Kate will be appearing on the Today show on Monday.
Thank you Rosie. You are so sweet.
Claire!
Thank you so much for sharing. That was well thought out and well spoken. You know I never thought about the cross race relations to be honest. Thank you for sharing your insight into all of that. Actually my family is very blessed to be racially mixed . My hubby is russian/german/romainian/jew by blood Christian by faith. I am irish/english/german/hungarian. My eldest is Scottish, my 17 year old is german/scottish, my 10 year old is mexican/egyptian/irish/american indian, and my youngest son is a mix of my hubby and me. You see I have 3 adopted and one homemade son. 
I feel so very blessed to be as mixed as we are!
I DO have to agree that I am growing a tiny tad weary of the commercial aspect of the objects on the show. You always know who donated what to have their LOGO shown. sigh I am a tad green about some of the freebies. A family get a way would be so nice maybe France or if that is too much a car that doesnt break down every 100 miles????? haha kidding LOL
Very well said PAIGE! I sooo agree with the fact that Jon is waaay less than believable and does not have much credibility to him due to the very facts that you so well stated!
Kate will be in my area (well within 60 miles of it)in Sept. 11-13 at the IX center. It is for the Clevelands Womans Show. I will watch for her on Monday (TV)
a not so humble opinion by moi
Joy- homemade! That cracked me up……….
Oh and I almost forgot- welcome Claire! Hope you’ll stop in often
I just watched part of the Kate 2.0 interview on E. She’s talking as if Hailey is out of the pic and about how she quit her job. I also saw a video online of Jon and Hailey walking around NY holding hands. It’s on Radar. It doesn’t seem like he was around the kids very long, maybe a week. And, Kate had the boys away camping all or part of the time. I thought she was taking the girls this time, but maybe they all the children went with her.
What the….?
Kate was at the Cheesecake Factory in Aventura, Florida for the latest snub-sighting?
I’m within 20 minutes of Aventura! What the heck were they doing down here? Pretty off the wall sighting if you ask me.
Hey…I’m going to get my nails done tomorrow. Think Kate will show up?
whee can i watch the video on e!…is it online somewhee? thanks!
Kimmie, the E interview is spread out over 3 days and it started lasted night. It’s on E news and replays tonight at 11:30. There’s an article link w/a few excerpts from the interview.
Hi Cella!
thank you lily!
re kate snubbing fans and being rude:
while i do think everyone should be polite no matter what they are going through, let’s face it WE ALL snap sometime…she’s going through a divorce with a spouse who is acting so humiliatingly, she has 8 kids to deal with on a regular basis (much less with all the emotion due to said actions of Jon and the divorce), she can’t even sit outside her own home w/o people taking pix and posting them all over the internet and then commenting on them, she has to deal with unsubstantiated rumors of infidelity, hate-filled sites where women who know better tear her apart and nothing she does is good enough…i think she just maybe had enough and snapped. i say cut her some slack…any celebrity (though i don’t think she is one) no matter how much of their lives are public deserve some private time.
i also wanted to say that i do not think that kate is a nicey-nice goody-goody woman. i think she is abrasive and controlling of her life and everything/everyone in it. whether this stemmed from having so many babies (and all that that entails) and she needed to organize everything to get it all done and stay sane i don’t know…but i also think she does try to be gentler and calmer.
but truly no matter her personality i believe she loves her kids and tries to be a good mom to them. we all make mistakes and i am so thankful that i am not critiqued and criticized in every area/situation in my life.
Kimmie, I agree with you. No one deserves to be under the scrutiny that Kate Gosselin has to endure daily from complete strangers.
Just from a quick scan of some of the blogs I follow tonight, I was kind of surprised to see the same people who were criticizing Jon over the past couple of weeks are now rushing to his side since his “tell all” about how Kate wanted a divorce last October. It takes two people to make a marriage and to break a marriage and I feel certain that there is more to this than what Jon is saying. Kate said in an earlier interview that Jon didn’t know what he wanted to do with his life… He didn’t want a job, didn’t want to go back to school, didn’t want to do volunteer work..and he didn’t want to talk to her about his unhappiness…so I’m not buying that he went into therapy but she woudn’t go along… Nothing made him happy… Well, I guess chasing other women made him happy, but apparently being home with the kids when she traveled for work was not his thing… I don’t think anyone is perfect and I think it’s unfair to blame one person when a marriage comes apart. I’ve been married 38 years and marriage is hard work, especially when you have small children in the mix. I’m sure the constant criticism from the viewing public of everything both of them did didn’t help either…
I’m waiting to hear what Kate says on the Today show on Monday…
i am interested in what she says on the today show too. i actually think she has a great public/speaking personality. she is witty, funny, articulate and, i think, pretty. i think she is very entertaining. i can see when she has something that is important to her she shows passion and is pesonable.
i think the problem is a lot of people believe EITHER jon OR kate…and i think that the truth is somewhere in between what both say and do not say.
BINGO, Kimmie! I think the truth lies somewhere in the middle, too, but I don’t think that the die-hard Kate haters are going to see it that way. Their venom is rising by the hour!!
Lily,
Hi, back!
As an aside:
I don’t know if anyone was responding to my “snub-signting” comment, but I was being sarcastic. While I don’t have a lot of reason to doubt these so-called snub reports about Kate, I don’t have a lot of reason to believe them either. I think the viewing public expects a lot from “celebrities” (more so from Kate). People can’t be perfect all the time.
Personally, if I saw a celebrity going about their everyday life and decided to approach them, I’d have to be aware there’s a possibility I was disturbing them, and would have to be prepared for whatever reception I got. I don’t feel because I see someone on TV that I have a right to approach them, nor a right to an expectation of how they’ll respond to me.
I always wonder when I read how outraged people are about how a celebrity responded to them, “How would these people respond to a total stranger approaching them in public (possibly with their children) who expected their immediate and full attention no matter what they were doing?” Would they always be sunshine and light? Doubt it.
Very good point, Cella! I live in Washington, DC where local “celebrities” are people who you may see in the news everyday.
It’s not unsual to see one of these people on the street, at the grocery store or at a PTA meeting. I would never think of approaching them
in what is their own time and space. That’s just plain rude.
It’s hard to know if Kate was rude or not or if this. Just because
Kate Gosselin is on TV doesn’t mean that anyone can enter her personal
space at any given time and expect a warm welcome. I tend to think
that some of these “snub” reports are not necessarily a result of Kate
being rude, but of the intruder not getting the response they wished
for.
I really do have good grammar but am trying to type between calls at work… What I MEANT to say was
“It’s hard to know if Kate was rude or not or if this was just the impression of the person who tried to approach her because she
didn’t get the reaction she hoped for!”
I haven’t seen the Kate Major special, but the fact that there is a special boosted my viewpoint that the whole thing is a load of BS–yet another instance of contrived fake entertainment news to generate interest in a show (like the Nicole-Paris feud, which I heard about even though I was out of the country and had never seen their show before!).
The big tipoff: Kate Major is good-enough friends with Daddy Lohan that she can call him up and stay at his place on a moment’s notice. This would mean that she’s already too close to sources to be an objective Star reporter. But the objectivity issue only comes up in connection with her alleged romance with Jon? And while the Gosselins are a red-hot gossip item? Pretty fishy.
Also, why would E! have an hour-long special about Kate Major, but not about Deanna, or Hailey, who is the juiciest among the three? Because, I think, there’s a show or something on the horizon that needs pre-promoting. Remember, Kate 2.0 just happened to get photographed with a bunch of C-list dads like Lohan and Jon G, who himself has been linked to Christian Audigier, whose work has been attached to innumerable celebrity users and celebrity shows like the one on Janice Dickinson’s “modeling agency.” Something’s going on…
These events continue to prove that reality shows aren’t real. Renee makes a good point about how the Gosselin show, at first, seemed like a documentary about a family with intriguing circumstances. It wasn’t like Survivor, in which crazy characters compete for a big pile of money; or one of those long-form contests with the prize of getting to be a paramour to some C-lister. Not to mention the added benefit of exposure and instant celebrity to all the participants, who by the way are all struggling actors!
No, the Gosselin and other TLC shows purported to educate viewers about people who have unique lives. That these programs haven’t become a showcase for product placement isn’t the fault of the Gosselins. It’s what makes these shows generate revenue, which is what TLC wants and what the production companies create. The Gs (and the Duggars, don’t forget) play along, but they’re not the masterminds.
The one silver lining: The general public is becoming increasingly wise to the vagaries of “reality TV.” Renee and others point out their disappointment that supposedly homespun families like the Gosselins have become little more than shills for products and places that they get to enjoy. Hopefully this will mean that reality shows will end their reign, now that they can no longer fool the viewer. At least the G kids are fun to watch regardless of their setting.
I think the shows are extremely boring now. Let’s face it – the main reason most people watched was to see what hateful, mean-spirited things the witch was going to say to either Jon or unfortunately one of the kids. Now that Jon is not there to be her whipping boy and she’s trying to be much nicer to the kids, it’s yawn time. People can only take so much of the “I’m a single Mom doing it all by myself” act. Everyone knows that Kate & Jon have not done it all by themselves for quite awhile now. But, one good thing has come from all of this marriage upheaval…at least she is treating the kids better…while the cameras are rolling.
Sherry I believe the main reason people watch is because of the fascination with the sextuplets.
Every so often, I see a post that is just written out of dislike of Kate. Just reading your post says that. It’s also apparent that your dislike of Kate is once again proof of a post that spreads lies. Your backhanded swipe of assuming she doesn’t treat her kids right is pretty much an unfounded lie and can be considered libel. Do you realize how dangerous your lie is, not to mention harmful to those kids?
You don’t have to like Kate, but you don’t have to start the lies and insinuations about a woman who does love her children and treats them right.
Theresa – I have watched the show. I’ve seen the way she has treated those children. I’ve heard the way she has spoken to them…it’s all on tape. I’ve seen that sick little boy banished to the laundry room floor with a bucket – that in itself, says it all. A sick child wants to be held and comforted, not lying on a hard floor all by himself. I’m not saying any mother is perfect – we all make mistakes but, the sad thing is that I don’t believe Kate sees that she has made mistakes. When she talks about how “gross” boys are & how she and Jon would never eat anything made by the children, I just have to wonder if she doesn’t realize those children have feelings.
No, I don’t like Kate. I don’t like Jon either. But, I’m certainly not starting any lies and I’m not the one harming those kids. I do think they are being harmed but, I’m not the one responsible for it.
i agree theresa…and i think that is my complaint about the hate kate sites…that is the entire focus, taking an insinuation and expanding it until so many people believe it. and the worst pat is those things could so hurt the kids.
Quote: “Let’s face it – the main reason most people watched was to see what hateful, mean-spirited things the witch was going to say to either Jon or unfortunately one of the kids.”
I never understand people who can’t hold an opinion without insisting that “everyone” feels the same way. I don’t agree with your post, and I know a lot of other people who don’t. I think it’s safe to assume that there’s a multiplicity of opinions on the show and the Gosselins. Why do you feel the need to insist that your POV is the only one? Is it insecurity? Or do you really not realize that other people view the show and the family differently?
Sherry, you don’t speak for me or why I watch the show. I watch the show because I find it fascinating to watch how kids from the same gene pool raised in the same manner are all such unique individuals. They each have such distinct personalities and that starts very young. Obviously, I see that in my own family but with far fewer children there is less to observe in terms of differences.
And you don’t speak for a lot of other people I know. My neice watches because she adores the kids, especially Aaden and Alexis. A co-worker watches because she has a daughter who is a lot like Mady and it is helpful to her not to feel so alone in having a child who presents certain challenges. A cashier at the supermarket told me she watches because Kate is a strong woman and she likes to see women with strength (she went on a bit as to why she prefers Kate of Michelle Duggar).
People aren’t cookie cutters and I don’t believe most people watched the show to see how Kate spoke to Jon and/or the kids. I am sure SOME people did.
It’s funny that so many claim to watch the show for the kids. I do think that was probably the main reason in the beginning but, alot has changed since then. How many posts on these boards are actually about the kids? Not many.
You’re right – people are not cookie cutters so, why get so upset when someone has a different POV than you? I’m certainly not putting either of these parents on a pedestal. Neither of them have done anything to garner that. I’ve known people with 8 or more kids that have worked hard & struggled to take care of them all on their own. Those are the people I can admire.
When you put yourself and your children in the business of being tabloid fodder, it’s time for a wake up call.
I agree with Paige. I think there are many reasons people find the show entertaining. I mainly liked to watch the kids. I watched–in spite–of the way Kate treated Jon–not because of it. I am not excusing the way she talked to him, but his actions of late have shed a different light on their relationship. Maybe, we only saw one side of it for ratings reasons. Maybe she was told to play up the crazy for that very reason.
I’m sorry but I still see nothing wrong with moving a child downstairs when there are 7 other children to care for is a big deal. I grew up in a large family and before the older kids were big enough to get dinner while mom played nurse – we were often curled up on the floor with our pillow and blankie. Better that then upstairs, in a bedroom, actively sick and out of earshot of mom. It’s not a bad thing. It’s necessity. I’m sure in families of one of two kids that mom can curl up and cuddle with a sick child. That is so not true when you are dealing with 6 in diapers. I just don’t see it as evidence of something awful.
I think that this Kate hate thing would make a fascinating psychological study. It feels like cyberbullying or some high school mean girl thing. I remember some show asking a girl why they teased this other girl – ‘she has a dumb haircut’. I bet you could do a masters thesis on it. Wendy Pepper was the first one I saw it happen to but that never reached this level. I see that they are threatening Kate with physical violence now and that is just over the top. I think it’s time to call a lawyer.
No, I don’t like Kate. I don’t like Jon either. But, I’m certainly not starting any lies and I’m not the one harming those kids. I do think they are being harmed but, I’m not the one responsible for it.
Sherry your insinuations are indeed harming those kids in a psychological way. Your hatred for their mother is doing that everytime you write nasty things about her. If you don’t like Kate, who cares, do you have to write lies and insinuations about her? Do you feel powerful sitting behind your keyboard and trashing her? A lot of us may not like Kate, but nobody on this board rips apart the mother of these kids.
Yes, you are harming them. You may not think you started the lies (let’s face it, they start at GWOP and every other hate site) but everytime you write them, you are contributing to the hate that is harming them.
When you put yourself and your children in the business of being tabloid fodder, it’s time for a wake up call.
“A wakeup call”? You know that can be interpreted in many ways Sherry. One of great consequence of which you and others who don’t like Kate need to be made aware of that someday your words are going to be used as evidence in a trial. (like I said, that’s the worst consequence). Maybe I interpreted this wrong and I’m sure you’ll tell me so and tell us what you meant by this. POV is one thing, and cyperbullying is another. Honestly, I haven’t seen a post like yours for quite a long time on this site.
Just because they are on TV doesn’t mean people are entitled to rip them apart and trash them for unfounded reasons thus spreading lies. (you have never witnessed anything, you’re not in their lives). Every site is traceable.
Marie, I agree. All the claims about being concerned about the children being exploited makes no sense. If the folks that post on the Hate sites were really concerned about the children, why is there post after post about Kate’s hair and clothes.
I was shocked at the list of questions they came up with they want Merdieth Viera to ask Katie. Going through them I kept thinking why is this any of your business and what other celebrity is ever asked those kind of questions. I am talking about things like how much money they make, exactly how much money is in each kids account, why Kate thinks her “boob job” is good for the kids, etc. They wouldn’t believe her answers anyway.
As for discussing the children, I loved seeing them enjoying the pool in the back. Mady and Cara have grown up alot. I am hoping they learn that Mommy’s can do everything Daddy’s can so they aren’t limited by gender bias in the future.
I agree, Paige, that one positive aspect for those kids (especially the girls) is the realization that women can be just a competent as men. The gender bias of J&K has always bugged me, and we had several discussions about that on GDNNOP.
You’re right – people are not cookie cutters so, why get so upset when someone has a different POV than you?
Sherry, that’s not it, as far as I’m concerned. I basically don’t care if you think Kate is a witch: your prerogative. When I read your post, what made me decide to respond was mostly this phrase:
Let’s face it…
What usually follows that phrase is a huge generalization about what ‘everybody’ thinks, or ‘most people’. It prompts me to speak up and say, “Thank you, but I can speak for myself.”
I think there’s a conversation to be had about the misguided choices that parents make, with reality shows like JK8 acting as a catalyst for that conversation, but imo, conversations that focus on what a ‘witch’ Kate is are just good ‘ol fashioned scape-goating. Nobody has to examine their own mistakes, they just get to say “I’m better than her.” That’s what is boring to me.
Don’t forget Kate on the Today show tomorrow. Also, Jon is going to be on E! News tomorrow night, and they will have another interview with him on Tuesday.
The only thing I found interesting about the Kate Major interviews on E!, was that her girlfriend is engaged to Michael Lohan. I wonder if she and her friend have something to do with “creating” the divorced dads reality show that Jon supposedly might do? That could be why she latched onto him, and why she quit her job at Star magazine.
but imo, conversations that focus on what a ‘witch’ Kate is are just good ‘ol fashioned scape-goating. Nobody has to examine their own mistakes, they just get to say “I’m better than her.”
excellent insight lynn.
It’s funny that so many claim to watch the show for the kids. I do think that was probably the main reason in the beginning but, alot has changed since then. How many posts on these boards are actually about the kids? Not many.
I think that’s because the kids are not as dynamic and layered of a topic as Kate and the (IMO, insane) hatred she inspires among some women. I think the kids are adorable; I love them (as much as I can love total strangers, but there’s not as much to say about that as there is about the jealousy, bile, etc. directed at Kate.
You’re right – people are not cookie cutters so, why get so upset when someone has a different POV than you? I’m certainly not putting either of these parents on a pedestal. Neither of them have done anything to garner that. I’ve known people with 8 or more kids that have worked hard & struggled to take care of them all on their own. Those are the people I can admire.
I doubt anyone here puts them on a pedestal. I don’t think anyone was upset about your “different POV”; some just took issue with the idea that everyone shares your view.
When you put yourself and your children in the business of being tabloid fodder, it’s time for a wake up call.
I would say the same for those who develop an obsessive hatred for a stranger they see on TV. A wake-up call is definitely needed for a lot of those women.
Let me start off by saying I NEVER SAID I HATED ANYONE. That’s a pretty strong word and I don’t throw it around casually as some on here seem to do. I don’t get that passionate about a “reality show” participant that I don’t even know. That being said, I also stated that I didn’t like Jon either. Apparently, that didn’t offend anyone. No ruffled feathers there. I imagine if I had come on here talking trash about Jon I would have been welcomed with open arms. I don’t guess it harms the children if you spew venom about their father.
I didn’t come from a “hate site”, whatever that is. I would imagine it is anyplace that has a differing opinion than on here. I hope there aren’t any sites that are more hateful than this one.
Cyberbullying – Seriously??? Now that’s the pot calling the kettle black. I have not been name calling or threatening anyone on this site. I would never think of doing something as immature as that. But someone telling me that “someday your words are going to be used as evidence in a trial” – What???
Just because they are on TV doesn’t give anyone the right to talk bad about them – Sorry, but they signed up for it. That goes right along with the money and semi-fame. They are not private citizens going about their business. They have put themselves and their children out there for this to happen.
Sherry let me start off by apologizing to you. I was a bit harsh in my response to your original post.
I merely wanted you to know that I pointed out what I did to show how your words can come across in black and white as someone from one of the hate sites. Everything you said can be found off of Gwop or the like. Those are hate sites. This certainly isn’t one. All what you wrote about the kid on the floor, etc has been discussed a lot way back when it happened. The citings and way you said it seemed…to me…to be just another Gwopper coming here and giving us the Kate is a witch theory again. So, yeah, I was a bit defensive.
When you put yourself and your children in the business of being tabloid fodder, it’s time for a wake up call.
“A wakeup call”? You know that can be interpreted in many ways Sherry. One of great consequence of which you and others who don’t like Kate need to be made aware of that someday your words are going to be used as evidence in a trial. (like I said, that’s the worst consequence).
Yeah, I realize Sherry my response was a bit harsh here too, but like I said reading your sentence, once can interpret it in the worst consequence. Just saying you never know if others interpret your words in the way I read them.
I hope there aren’t any sites that are more hateful than this one.
Sherry, this is not a hate site. That is my point in response to your post. We all have different opinions. It’s the way we talk with each other and about the show that differs this site from others. I believe we do not throw around assumptions, insinuations and lies and believe them to be the truth and expect others to think the same way. That’s how I (and some others) read your post. I even said we haven’t seen anything like it for a long time.
I imagine if I had come on here talking trash about Jon I would have been welcomed with open arms. I don’t guess it harms the children if you spew venom about their father.
You’ve made an assumption that is unsubstantiated. Nobody here spewed forth venom about Jon. We’ve discussed how his behavior of late has been and how it’s affected the children or could possibly affect them. He’s made some pretty odd decisions that have and/or will affect the children.
Even though they signed up for the show, I believe people should be human and not make Kate an internet pinata to be whacked upon time and time again. Perhaps that’ll let you know how I feel, and maybe it’s a bit passionate, but it’s just how I’d feel about any human. I don’t like seeing the obsessive hatred (found at other sites) for this one woman. (not saying it’s your obsessive hatred, just to make that clear).
Theresa, Thank you very much. I truly appreciate your apology & I would like to say that I never meant to come across as a hater. It wasn’t my intention. Looking back at my original post, I see that I didn’t articulate very well what I was trying to say. So thanks again, and I would like to say that I’m sorry as well.
Thanks Sherry. Isn’t it funny how people are so polarized when discussing the Gosselins?
I bet a lot of us get along much better than we think, if not discussing this family.
Welcome to this board. You’re going to love it as much as I do.
T
Oops…I meant welcome to the whole SITE. There’s much more than just the Gosselin board.