By Anya
Let down. Again. I know I am silly to care, but Jon Gosselin disappointed me again today.
“Oh man!! That video is HILARIOUS!!!! Thank you so much for sharing! lol!!!!!”
Jon’s Twitter response to a fan sending him a link to a song entitled “Kate Gosselin is a Bitch.”
Let’s review. In addition to repeatedly using every misogynistic rapper’s favorite term for a woman to refer to Kate, this lovely ditty also refers to her as a “ho.” The rapper, A.P.T., (no you aren’t old and out of touch, he is a nobody) further sings that Kate “tricked” Jon into having all eight children. Perhaps the best part – in that it reveals Mr. A.P.T.’s whole viewpoint on male-female relationships — is that men (including Jon) have “egos” and “so when you don’t stroke it, we go Out and find another chick that will.”
Want to hear more from Mr. A.P.T.? Of course, you do! His perspective is so unique and refreshing:
“I don’t mean to sound like a “manist” (the male version of being a “feminist”), but I always hate it when the media makes the woman out to be the victim, and doesn’t shoulder any of the responsibility on her for what happened. As much as they may have wanted to pin the whole divorce as being Jon’s fault, I clearly remember sitting through a marathon of “Jon and Kate Plus 8″ shows during Thanksgiving of 2008 and seeing all the harsh words and actions Kate was dishing out to Jon. I won’t go into too much detail, but suffice to say, there is MORE than enough evidence on tape of Kate emasculating her husband that would display MORE than enough reasons for him to want to (a) leave her as quickly as possible, and (b) find another girl to latch onto who would show him the attention he wanted.
Since everyone in the media was treating him like the “bad guy,” I figured I needed to make a statement defending Jon, and remind the world how much of a bitch Mrs. Gosselin actually was (and still is).”
Needed to make a statement? Um, ok. Also, why does “the world” need to be reminded of such a thing (assuming it is true). Doesn’t “the world” have bigger problems? Something is telling me Kayne might have met his match.
The funniest part of all this is Mr. A.P.T.’s perception that “the media” created this false impression of Jon as a “bad guy.” As if even during the worst of Jon’s behavior last year there wasn’t a loud contingent of Jon supporters.
Aside from the fact that Jon’s response showcases a juvenile mindset and demonstrates he has not moved beyond his anger at Kate, it is disturbing to think that he is a role model for his young children on how to treat women. (Note: I agree, Kate has as much responsibility as a role model for her children on how to treat a man.)
Part of me thinks I may be making too much of this and part of me thinks not. I haven’t been disgusted with Jon’s actions for a while, but I am today. One difference between me and some other blogs of note, however (cough, Blogging Lawyer, cough), I don’t think Jon cares at all what I think. And that is how it should be. How about someone who matters then? Jon, would you want Cara or Mady to watch this video?
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133 Responses to Will the Real Jon Please Stand Up?
Yet again someone in defense of Jon conventily over looks Jon’s actions. Yes, there are times Kate’s let’s a small slam or negative innuendo against Jon. No one said that Kate is a saint and considering what Jon has done to Kate and put Kate through, I think she’s shown great restraint in regard to speaking out against Jon.
I had hopes at one point that Jon would pull his act together. But never at any time has Jon ever behaved in any decent manner. He just goes from bad to worse, sinking lower and lower.
No, I do not think you are making too much of this. Even if this rap where not about Kate, this type of wording for a song should be denounced because as stated, the view it takes of a woman.
This rapper is an idiot trying to make a name for himself using the Gosselins’ notoriety. Though whatever attention he might gain, he must lose at least that much street cred for admitting to sitting through a J&K+8 marathon. Geez. Whatever happened to getting shot as a way of establishing oneself as a rapper?
Of course, he has the woman-hating aspect down. So that’s something.
As for Jon, sigh. One step forward, two steps back. He just doesn’t seem to be able to go very long without doing something that calls into question his maturity and good taste. He obviously has a lot of anger and bitterness towards Kate. Whether one thinks it is deserved or undeserved, justified or not, no one can reasonably argue that this is an appropriate way to work it out. For the sake of his children, he needs to deal with it in private in therapy.
Jon harbors a lot of bitterness towards Kate still. He has every right to feel whatever way he feels (feelings are neither right or wrong) but everything he does/says against her in public has the potential to hurt his children. If, for no other reason, that along makes it irresponsible for twittering that comment. There are many things I hope the kids never hear about and two of the major ones are Jon lamenting about losing his youth because he had so many kids before 30 and Jon enjoying a rap that says Kate tricked him into having kids.
Of course Jon likes that rap – it justifies his irresponsible behavior and explains it away as Kate’s fault. That excuse never worked but the further away from the divorce we get, the less legitimate it becomes.
I am waiting for Jon to really make something of himself , to become a productive member of society. I am not holding my breath though.
I am also surprised that Ellen twittered about that video as well. I hoped she had learned something from her foray here. I would have expected she would have understood the harm done to all women when it is viewed as “hilarious” to call a woman a bitch and ‘ho in that kind of rap. Most importantly, I,hoped she was mature enough to know and care that bad mouthing the children’s mother as the potential to hurt them
Ok, I don’t want to think I’m some conspiracy type but this is the second time Jon has lined up paps for his weekend with the kids where the twins are no where to be seen. Are they on strike against photo ops or are they just not visiting? They are at an age where lots of kids do day camps so maybe they are just with their dad in the evenings. Sheesh I sound like someone that should post on GWOP.
Anya, thanks for following thru’ w. some background re. this disgusting tweet. While I find nothing at all appealing about Twitter, the moment I saw this exchange w. a follow-up from Ellen – ‘how did I miss this one? LOL’, I was curious enough to see just WHO would pass this on to Jon. It’s not hard to tell it’s a young girl, living at home, mad because she’s been grounded, watching episodes of J&K+8, wishing Jon was her father etc.! (Yes, I have better things to do…been on sick dog duty.)
Your last sentence is what immediately screamed volumes to me as well. Mady & Cara both have Twitter accounts in their full names. I can only imagine what a full-time job keeping abreast of twin girls at 9 yrs. is…but for the life of me, I CAN NOT wrap my head around this 24/7 public attempt to be relevant on Twitter by any DAD & his girlfriend. It’s again another stunning revelation that Jon still does not seem capable of making thoughful & selfless choices.
Hey Ellen, I know you still read here, so please give Jon this message since he blocked my tweets:
@jongosselin1 How much do you get paid when you notify the paps? Jon, do you ever tell the truth, or is that against “your” moral code of conduct!?
I think the real Jon is the one we have been seeing for the last yr. +. He played the passive/aggressive in the marriage. TLC tiled their editing to make Jon look better than he was. Kate doesn’t say too much regarding Jon, an occassional pot shot or inuendo is all.
Jon’s never had the ability to hold a job, it surprises me that people think he would do so now.
It’s interesting to go back and look at the old shows now with knowing how Jon is. I never bought into the Kate’s a shrew and Jon’s an angel bit. Even from the beginning, my daughter and I would sit there when Kate was harping about something and say, well, duh, I would, too! Yes, she made some remarks which were inappropriate, but he acted like a ninth kid, not a husband therefore she treated him like a ninth kid. I wouldn’t be surprised to find out that much of her frustration is the fact that he wouldn’t stand up and be a man and a husband.
Its sad and disgusting, the entire thing. Paife, I completely agree.
All of Jon’s actions the past year + have been surprising, why should he act any differently now? Juvenile doesn’t even begin to cover it.
Hey Jon while you’re at it, perhaps you could scrawl her number over the bathroom walls of every bar you frequent.
Jennie says…Geez. Whatever happened to getting shot as a way of establishing oneself as a rapper?
LMAO!
MarieS, it is funny that Mady and Cara haven’t been in the pics. It makes me wonder a bit too.
As for Jon, he is transparent. The failed Walentis book pointed out the obvious of how Jon has used the paps, but they would rather believe otherwise. It is kind of nice to see the lower number on the new petition that is going around. The old one had 700 something and I used to mock that number. Not enough to be an effective boycott of anything. It does seem like the lesser crazy thinned out. Hatred is a poor pastime. I will never get used to the creepiness of how they want the children to love and be happier with one parent than the other.
One difference between me and some other blogs of note, however (cough, Blogging Lawyer, cough), I don’t think Jon cares at all what I think.~Anya
Thanks for the update Anya. The above made me laugh, to think that Kate and bodyguards change the way they hold the children’s hands because of blog comments. Talk about self-importance.
Again, I’m glad for the tree planting that Kate had done in their yard. That must be a relief to have some privacy for the family. I believe that Kate is trying harder to avoid the paps. All they ever show are her trips to the store or to get her nails done. Who knew mom errands were so exciting over and over? It’s hard to believe criticism can be found for those two things. (But then I remember how uppity they thought it was of Kate to used filtered water to make soup and I remember the source).
Sheryl, I am not sure that Ellen reads here anymore. I actually advised her not to. I guess that is the ‘mom’ in me! I know there are different views on the subject of the Ellen interview and I don’t really want to rehash it, but I don’t see much good in Kate, Jon, Ellen or any one who loves them necessarily reading blogger’s opinions of them.
For me, it just comes down to the fact that what “we” write or say (collectively as outsiders writing about the family) shouldn’t really matter to them. And I think this blog is an exception (along with a small handful of others we would agree on), but so much of what is written about both Jon and Kate is mean-spirited and conjecture. I don’t expect either Jon or Kate will have an epiphany reading my opinion of their “issues” on a message board – you know? And we ALL have issues – don’t we?!?
That said, I love coming here and discussing all this stuff with you guys and putting some of it into larger context. Over the last two plus years, we have discussed sexism, SAHM’s, classism, religion, complicated family relationships, etc. etc., etc. and it has all been under the umbrella of discussing the Gosselin’s.
It has been fascinating and enlightening to say the least.
To me, one really revealing point was, during the vow renewal, when he promised to ask “ ”Honey, how may I help you?” in times of stress.” She’d mentioned this in an earlier episode that one of her biggest wishes was that Jon ask her & be proactively that instead of waiting for her to tell him what to do & making her feel like a nag. I remember thinking, even during the early episodes, “For God’s sake, man, take some initiative; don’t hold out until she’s stressed out & frustrated & then grudgingly do what needed to be done while rolling your eyes to send a message to the viewers of what a martyr you think you are and what a shrew you think she is.” He just had to do this childish tweaking of authority, no matter what. When he had the hair transplant, he was told repeatedly NOT to wear his beloved wool hat or any other hat until the plugs were established and healing had begun or plugs might come out, etc. Kate even reminded him of this when he was groggy post-procedure. Of course, Jon put his hat on at the earliest opportunity & the doctors had to do repair work on the plugs.
When he was with Hailey, he talked about how she managed his schedule, etc. It’s like he picks out women who’ll do all of this so he doesn’t have to be bothered but then he resents them for taking charge. It seems like he likes to simultaneouly have two types of women in his life: the organizer and the plaything. I remember TLC’s lawyers said during Hailey’s depositions, she held out refusing to believe that Jon would cheat on her & buying his explanation that Kate2 (who deserves her own chapter in “Not-so-smart women; really horrific choices”), Stephanie, etc. were all liars who were trying to exploit Jon to get notoriety & $$$ for themselves & that she really broke down when she finally realized that, regardless of their motivation, the other women weren’t lying. It was after that she finally left Jon, in return, Jon & his attorney tried to have her arrested for “vandalizing” the apartment. Don’t get me wrong. I’m not a Hailey fan. I think she was stupid, selfish, shallow & desperate to be a celebrity but I also think she actually bought his malarkey. When Jon came up with the $180,000.00 at the last minute possible to avoid a contempt citation for looting the Jon & Kate money market account, I assumed that the money came from Hailey and/or her family because I didn’t think for one minute that Jon had put any of that money aside in case the court ordered that he had to return it.
Anya, ‘the mom in you’ would suit many in the public arena, very well! I believe Ellen has gone on to Hollywood sites w. her new ‘star status’. She is all over the place trying to attach her name to hawking ads for Twitter…often using Jon’s Twitter account in conjunction w. her own for more name recognition. (You gave her a very fair, friendly & certainly the heart of a mother in treating her w. much dignity in your interview.)
I do think Jon Gosselin has found a girl who has his guile & probably knows more about all these modern gadgets than he does. Not so sure this is much of a life for a 24 yr. old, but then again…I read before she closed her Twitter to outsiders – that she is not able to have children of her own. If that is true…it does look like this relationship has promise. Life could be so different IF Jon could plant some solid roots & stop his own brand of hatred towards his ex-wife. (Ms. Ross could do w. a little help in that dept. also! Enter Sylvia Lafair?)
Actually, Jon has sunk to a new low having his pap friend from INF film the drop off of the kids.
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I ran across that as well. That was disgusting. I have so little regard for Jon that I suspect he deliberately set the kids up to be hysterical.
I so agree MarieS, but I think only one of the boys was crying. Jon continued to yell at him and he cried louder. What a dirtbag he is. I think the girls have him figured out, they don’t want people to see them with their Dad. What young girl would want the world to know he is their Father who sleeps around with whatever the flavor of the month is. I don’t understand Kate’s actions, she could put a stop to him, putting the kids in danger, having paps sitting waiting for her kids to come home outside of the gate. Jon would also not use my van to transport them, let him buy his own wheels if the kids are so important to him. I am very upset by his actions today, and Kates lawyers should step up and cut Jon off, TlC should drop him now and let the chips fall.
Just when I didn’t think that Jon could sink any lower, he hit a new low today!!! This despicable monster is lower than whale poop!!! I hope Kate sticks it to him legally! The sitter can meet him at the local police station, where the paps wont be welcomed, in fact, Kate can hire an off duty police officer for less than fifty bucks, to be waiting there with the sitter, so this wont ever happen again….=(((
It’s really sad, but using his children for pap opportunities is what Jon has been doing all along. There was the twin’s BD when he claimed Kate was trying to keep him away. There was the dog video when he hollered at the kids to come say goodbye and the pap was right there on the property. I also remember him taking the kids to the fence when their show was still on. Jon twittering that he tries to keep his time w/his children private and then asking ‘what to do w/them on a rainy day’ makes no sense just like his other contradictions. It’s sad that the children miss their dad. Divorce is hard for little ones and these exchanges are new to them. They’re used to their parents rotating in and out of the house. Crying and missing their dad doesn’t mean they don’t love their mom. Jon’s trying to make some point but I have no idea what.
I give Kate a lot of credit for being around Jon for the sake of the kids. She’s done that several times. I also don’t think she made a move in her divorce w/o first consulting her attorneys and followed their advice. There must be a reason for Jon not coming onto the property if Kate has put her foot down. She’s been mum on the whole new custody thing. I would think that whatever Jon ends up w/this time, is what it’s going to be. Imo, the court won’t look too friendly upon him continuously changing the visitation schedule. Kate may have to change this setup, but I bet she will call her attorney first.
Totally agree with Ziggy’s post #1.
Mr. A.P.T. needs to get a c.l.u.e. I’ve never heard of A.P.T. and wouldn’t have if I didn’t read this site. Once again, someone attaching themselves to the Gosselin situation to make out on their own $. (if A.P.T. even got money for that crap, which I’m sure he might’ve).
No Anya, you’re not making too much of this. This is case in point how Jon needs grow up, act adult and to respect the mother of his children. Simply saying “no comment” if approached on it would’ve sufficed. Show unity and support of your kids Jon by showing their mother respect.
Honestly, I really hope Kate meets a grown up man who will be a good role model for the boys.
I watched the video a couple of times and even turned the volume up (ouch, my ears!).
A couple of things. While nobody likes to see little ones so despondent, I don’t think this video is “tragic” or “the saddest thing ever.” Kids are exchanged all the time between divorced parents and it is NOT uncommon for them to act out when returning to one parent (especially if they are leaving the parent they only get to see a couple times a month). Of course, it seems magnified because we are (apparently) hearing up to six voices crying at once, but the situation isn’t that unique.
I do think at age six, they are little old for this particular type of behavior, but I don’t think it is totally off the wall.
I understand why we are suspicious of Jon’s actions with the paps, but I personally am not willing to accuse him of arranging the whole thing. He might have. He might not. I do think both parents should work together to make sure that drop-offs are handled in private.
I did think that the hugs Jon gave Mady and Cara felt very genuine. M&C looked kind of pensive and sad. I felt bad for them. I bet they enjoyed their time alone with Kate though…
One thing you will NOT convince me of- that this somehow proves the kids love Jon more than Kate. What absolute hogwash!
I agree Anya.
I don’t think it’s all tht unusual for 6 year olds, under the circumstances. I’ve been working with kids this summer. A group of 12 were with me and other staff in a room and one of the children had a screaming tantrum. We started by ignoring the screaming as part of his behavior program. Every one of the other children were excited about the activity and wanted to continue. For a few seconds, they ignored him. We re-directed any who started to stare at him. Then I noticed, one-by-one, they started grimacing and covering their ears. We could see the sadnss in their faces within a minute. I could see mass hysterics on the near horizon if we didn’t change course. My point is that the crying might have been infectious in that van. I read a few comments of women who said it made them cry. KWIM
I am not sure Jon invited the pap. I am sure he tweeted about having the kids though. He could have ignored commenting on the video and the custody arrangements because he ignored my tweets, lol. He knows how to ignore tweets.
Kate looks better and better.
I hope that in asking the real Jon to stand up, we’re asking for the nice guy who fathered 8 beautiful kids before the age of 30 and held a decent job.
Oh my goodness if Jon thinks that video is going to convince people that the kids love him more than Kate, he’s got another think coming. Possibly someone who’s never had children or never really dealt with children would believe it, but that’s about it. It starts with one kid in a grump or a snit and before you know it, it spreads like wildfire!!!….lol…….normal kid stuff. Mass hysteria. For all we know, the problem could have started because they saw the guy with the camera hanging around!!!………..and we all know he was there at Jon’s invitation….either directly or indirectly!!!…….a well placed hint dropped here and there is all it takes.
I’d like to see that Jon stand up, too Ann, although I’m beginning to wonder if the one we’re seeing now isn’t the real one and that one was mostly smoke and mirrors!!!
How sad the trama that these kids have to live on a weekly basis with Jon again pulling his stunts. Kate really should contact the court for an order that no paps can sit within 1000 feet of her private driveway. TLC is not protecting these children by allowing Jon and Kate to have these arrangements. I know security for these children should be put in place to protect them from their own Father. He should have never opened the van door to hug his kids goodbye, knowing the pap was there filming. I’m sorry, but IMO it was set up by Jon. Shame on him!!
Mariposa said… ”It starts with one kid in a grump or a snit and before you know it, it spreads like wildfire!!!….lol…….normal kid stuff. Mass hysteria.”
Thanks, Ann and Mariposa. Good to see some feedback from those who actually work with young children on a daily basis.
Your feedback affirms my intuition.
It’s funny. I used to marvel at the Gosselin children and their ability to tune out a sibling’s tantrum. It was kind of odd to me because that wasn’t my personal experience. Usually, the dynamics are such that one kid gets going — and the others follow suit. I think multiples must learn some self-preservation techniques that allow them to block their sibling’s noise.
I think it’s entirely possible 3-4 of the 6 were having a melt down. It’s really hard to tell. I did see Leah with tears in her eyes and Alexis’ name called, but beyond that, I am not sure….
Any way you cut it, I just don’t think it is that big a deal….
“ He should have never opened the van door to hug his kids goodbye, knowing the pap was there filming”
I’m not sure what Jon was supposed to do. Maybe he thought by hugging them they’d calm down. Would it have been better had he walked away from them while they were that upset? I’ve seen Kate open the van door when the paps were there, was that equally egregious?
If they’d been able to transfer at the house it likely would have turned out better. He could have let them out to calm them down, waited around until they were settled and have Mom there to help. Hopefully whoever made the decision to transfer at the gate will reconsider.
Where’s the link to the video of the kids? I saw the rapper’s video (a few seconds of it and quickly tuned out)…was it on that same page?
Hi Theresa,
Hope this link will work for you
Thanks Pam! It works!
I think it’s pathetic that the paps were snapping away so visciously fast. Sad that Jon didn’t have the decency to ask them for privacy. Stand up Jon!
I agree with Donna. I think it would’ve been better to have transferred the kids at the house for the reasons she listed And, even though they’re in their seats….they’re so close to the road in this video.
Donna-Opening the van door is one thing. LEAVING it open with the paps filming the kids who were strapped in their seats and visible trapped there and recording the sound of whichever of the kids was so upset is another.
As for the criticisms of why the transfer occurred outside the gate. Kate used to let him stay in the garage apartment and go somewhere else when it was his time for visitation. He repeatedly abused her trust. If I were her, I wouldn’t want him on the premises if I weren’t there to keep an eye on him. A simpler arrangement would be for arrangements to be made to have someone drive the nanny to Jon’s apartment where she could pick up the van and the kids.
Please Ellen,if you are reading any blogs tonight about Jon and the children, you better get out fast, Jon is taking you down the tubes honey. I hope Jon can at least pull the van inside of the gate and make sure it closes and never let the paps in his kids faces like this agin. He went right home and was on twitter, so I know he does not miss or feels bad about his kids. He is using them for his own ego and personal income. Most Father’s would be calling his kids and following up on how they are doing if they were having a meltdown, not twittering away.
Well said, Peggy.
Jon had an ideal arrangement for seeing his kids and spending time with them. No one ruined it for Jon but Jon. We only know that what the pictures show us. We don’t know what else may have taken place for Jon to not be able to come onto the property.
Kate has always showed restraint in dealing with Jon, and gave Jon a wide bearth which he then abuses & brings others in to step where they have no business stepping. Jon could well be angleing to get that foot back in the door, so to speak, to try to get back through public opinon, that which he himself abused and destroyed.
These antics of Jons were done for a reason, we just don’t know what it is, we can only speculate with the limited information we have. Myself, I trust Kate’s judgement.
The pictures of Jon & the 6 going to & from the arcade told the blogosphere that INF was following. (My goodness they’d followed the van to the Poconos…hours away.) IF Jon had 1/2 a brain he would have CALLED the house to say he’d like someone to take note of the paps on his tail…& be there to make a quick transfer. Whether HE alerted the paps or not…he saw them & could have dealt w. this whole mess before he ever loaded the 6 into the van.
No doubt it only takes one upset child to light a fire under the rest. The paps have had a horrible effect on those children ever since they started hanging on their fence during the 1st hint of divorce. The crying broke my heart, but hearing one child yelling ‘Daddy, close the door’…told me the hysteria was more about the FEAR of getting into the house w/o those cameras~ Jon’s yelling at them was very revealing of just how easily this father flies off the handle.
Ziggy, I agree…I too trust Kate’s judgment. As poignant as that video was…there are 2 ways to do things – the right way or the wrong way. Jon showed NO common sense, just guile.
I agree completely with Donna.
There is no way to explain away the fact that, for whatever reason, this was a sad incident for the Gosselin children and some changes need to be made. Although I might not be convinced that Jon orchestrated this incident, both parents have made decisions to put the children in the public eye. All decisions have consequences and these children are experiencing the collateral damage. It has to be an awful life to live. No one knows for sure but they might be poor little rich kids. I, for one, abhor the way the children have been dragged around the country and exposed to the media through filming this summer. In an ideal world though, the photographer(s) would for once have turned away.
In my opinion, there is one way to stop the circus that is their life and that is to stop filming them. The whole debacle has become about fame and fortune and someone, Jon or Kate, needs to step up and recognize the obvious. I cannot describe how a selfless act like that would elevate them in my eyes. Then they could both do whatever they as far as I am concerned.
He set the kids up to be hysterical? To suggest that all six kids were coerced into hysterics by their father is absurd. The kids are terribly upset at going home. Kate, who claims to miss the kids so much when they’re not with her, couldn’t be bothered to greet/comfort her children after being away from them for a while. She sends a nanny down instead. Wake up, people!
He set the kids up to be hysterical? To suggest that all six kids were coerced into the terror stircken hysterics by their father is absurd. The kids are terribly upset at going home. Kate, who claims to miss the kids so much when they’re not with her, couldn’t be bothered to greet/comfort her children after being away from them for a while. She sends a nanny down instead. Wake up, people!
LP, To suggest that the children were “terror stricken” is OTT. What terror? They are crying because they are going to miss their father. It’s sad, but split parenting is what happens in divorce.
I have no way of knowing if Jon had this planned. Tweeting that he had the kids and then being “surprised” the paps were there is lame. The paps disgust me and shouldn’t be allowed to harass little kids at their home. It’s irked me all along that they couldn’t play out front w/o their pics being taken.
Jon’s latest twitter. I wonder if these are pics of the kids. I really don’t care, but the FCAs should. I know nothing of spiffbox. From Jon’s tweets it seems you have to so many points to talk to Jon or get to Jon’s profile..something like that.
Added some recent personal photos on my spiffbox http://www.spiffbox.com/S/v?id=14531
LP: Did it ever even remotely occur to you
(1)that Kate is trying to avoid creating a photo op? The last time she made the mistake of being in a position of being in the same photograph as Jon, she was ripped to shreds on the khater sites/commenters for her expression, whether she was chewing Jon out (or just pointing out something to him).
(2) that when relations between divorced parents are especially tense, it’s actually recommended that a third party conduct the transfer between parents, unless you think it’s helpful for small children to experience more tension between their parents.
(3) as for comforting them, is she supposed to be psychic that this would happen (I’m assuming it didn’t before or the pap would have photos & video of that too) &, in any event, that would best be accomplished by getting the kids away from the paps & being able to do it in the peace and quiet of their home. If she’d come down and been photographed comforting them, I’m sure she’d be attacked for exploiting the situation.?
Well said, Peggy.
Hi Lily,
I confess I don’t know the Gosselin children. But I do have some experience working with their age group. I teach first grade (have for more years than I care to admit) and I’ve NEVER heard such wailing from children simply because they miss a parent. When the kids I’ve taught have broken down in that kind of hysterical way, it unfortunately, more often than not, meant there was something going on at home which causes them not to want to be there. That rising panic, that anxiety in the Gosselin children’s voices is all to familiar to me, I’m sad to say.
Hi Peggy,
You don’t need to be psychic to come to greet and say hello to your children after they’ve been away for a while.
To what about the kids?
My, you have a vivid imagination! Dragged around the country filming this summer??!?!? They took two trips, not all that long, one to Florida and one to Alaska, both very popular family vacation destinations. It’s not unusual for families to take that many vacations. As for filming, do you know or care how much time was involved in actual filming on either vacation.? These days a lot of families take video of family outings, etc,., and even post them on You Tube and Facebook. It’s clear that the kids are very fond of the TLC crew & very relaxed with them. They, on the other hand, are clearly disturbed by paps flashing cameras in their faces and shouting rude questions. Paps were not a part of the kids’ lives until Jon’s indiscretions became tabloid fodder. He’s the one who was friendly with the paps and the entertainment shows (who can forget that he drove an ET/Insider crew to the bus stop to pick up the twins on their 9th birthday.)
You think the solution is to stop filming. Well, filming was stopped for a year and the tabloid/pap interest intensified because, with the kids not available on the show, photos of them and either or both of their parents could get much more money on the open market. Think I’m exaggerating on that one? That’s why, when Sarah Jessica Parker and her husband Matthew Broderick had their first child, a boy, they left the hospital at the front entrance & let the assembled paps click away to the content of their mechanical devices replicating the function of a human heart (which they lack). Once everyone had a photo of the baby, they hoped, successfully as it turned out, that they wouldn’t be hounded by paps trying to score a big payday with the exclusive first pictures of the Parker/Broderick baby.
LP-And she doesn’t have to time her greeting her children to satisfy your morbid need to critique her and the paps’ need to feed the demand for Gosselin family photos. A lot of divorced parents choose not to be present when the other parent returns them from custody or visitation periods precisely in order to make it less stressful for the kids.
They can try to defend Jon all they want and try to turn this around on Kate all they want. Several facts can’t be denied – the children do not like the paps and they show that reaction whether with Kate or Jon. The TLC crew is like extended family to them. They feel safe and protected by them. The TLC crew isn’t yelling uspetting things to them the way the paps are. There are pics of Kate motioning the paps away, one from the Alaska trip.
The paps came all the way up to the drivers window. Jon interacted with him. Jon never once, not once, asked him to leave or even motioned him away. Kate does not get on twitter and dicuss her children nor what they will be doing. Kate does not sell information about her family re spiffbox. Kate was not the one spending all her time down at the fence interacting, entertaining and doing jigs for the paps.
Jon had the perfect set up with the kids. Kate left the home and let Jon stay there until Jon abused those privelgeds. Shooting guns on the property, fights between paps on the property, sneaking women in through a neigbhors property, having photo ops which clearly the paps had to be on the property to take, no just zoom lens. Jon using a drop of the kids at the door to show how much his kids loved his girlfriend. Those pics were NOT zoom lens. Jon took the paps right on the property, Kate’s property, NOT Jon’s. Jon has abused every freedom he’s had with the children, every single one. Then when he looses these freedoms, one by one, from his own actions, he pulls these stunts and the holyJon supporters fall for it everytime.
I’ve NEVER heard such wailing from children simply because they miss a parent.~LP
I have heard/seen children crying like this many times while saying goodbye to their parents at the daycare where I used to drop off my son. We have no idea how often this occurs or if it’s exclusive to saying goodbye to Jon. Their father has been living out of state until just recently. Now, the children are visiting dad instead of the house rotation. There was an issue w/custody and now visitation. The children have to adjust to a missing parent and all the other changes. Yes, it’s normal for kids in divorce to act this way. They love their dad, they prob wish they could see both parents all the time. It’s sad that the children were upset to be saying goodbye, but it doesn’t need to be sensationalized to be more than what it is.
I have heard such wailing. I was picked up for a date with the kids in the car and the announcement that we had to drop them off. Before I demanded to wait at a Starbucks I listened to their father go on and on about ‘might be a while before he gets to see them again’, ‘doesn’t know if it will be a month or more’, ‘doesn’t have any control and would love for them to be with him’. Yes, by the time I left the car all three of them were wailing. It was a short relationship.
And because I don’t see Jon as very mature in this divorce. Anybody wonder why this is the first visitation return that has been videotaped? Gosh I hope I’m wrong.
Peggy P…You think the solution is to stop filming. Well, filming was stopped for a year and the tabloid/pap interest intensified because, with the kids not available on the show, photos of them and either or both of their parents could get much more money on the open market.
Peggy, I am not convinced either that stopping filming would solve the tabloid/pap problem. It could make it worse in the short run. I think those who oppose filming may have legitimate concerns on their side, but I don’t know that this is one of them.
Just Poor says…I know he does not miss or feels bad about his kids. He is using them for his own ego and personal income.
I personally do not like going there. This is the kind of conjecture and harsh judgment that gets levied on Kate all the time and I don’t think it is fair.
I am critical of many of Jon’s actions, but I don’t doubt that he loves them with all his heart and wants the best for them. I don’t think either parent is “using” the children. Some of Jon’s ‘projects” do appear a bit questionable, but I know there is a LOT we don’t know about the specifics of his relationship with TLC, if he continues to receive any pay from them, etc.
Ziggy, good points in your 9:21 a.m. post. Unfortunately, Jon did all the things you listed and that is why while I still have some empathy for him, I understand those who have a more negative impression. I believe that Kate has attempted to work with Jon and he has made it difficult. It is unfortunate.
Could the children be crying because they see the Pap taking pictures and he is really close? Something else that bothered me , why wasn’t the liscence plate blurred out? Isn’t that normal procedure?
Marie, I too experienced similar. One doesn’t have to try very hard to work children up in a wailing upset if one knows the ‘right buttons’ to push. A responsible parent chooses to ‘push the buttons’ to calm the children & reassure them.
MarieS – UGH. Good for you for ending that short relationship!
I’m with Peggy, I don’t think stopping filming will solve anything. If it would, I would be all for it. Kate allows filming in a controlled enviroment with trusted people. She has her kids protected at their school enviroment, she has them protected with their friends enviroment, she has them protected in any after school activities enviroment. In all the envirometns she can protect them in she does. There are some enviroments she can’t protect them and one of those is the time with their father. That time is his to protect them and behave in a responsible manner. He chooses not to. Jon not only didn’t wave the pap away, nor tell him to please not film, he interacted with the pap and ignore his chidlrens cries to ‘daddy, shut the door, daddy, shut the door.
And THAT is Kate’s fault?
A divorced dad is dropping off his 6 young, same-age, possibly tired and hungry children, they are upset,(and there is a pap right there, filming them) and so many people immediately think “OMG! they’re terrified of their evil mother! Their home is a veritable torture chamber! Help them!” Seriously? There are a lot of places to go before you get to that conclusion.
I think it’s possible he just wanted to be shown with the kids, and he didn’t mean for them to be acting that way. He doesn’t seem to be upset about dropping them off, perhaps annoyed by their crying. Lots of things could have caused that behavior. For example, he could have promised to take them for ice cream before they went home and some or all of them fell asleep, so he decided to take them on home. They wake up cranky, set each other off, and there you go. It might never have occurred to him that that kind of spectacle would work in his favor.
It is just not normal for 6 year olds to get this panicked and distressed about one parent dropping them back with another. These children were not protesting or begging for more time with Jon, they were wailing his name over and over and were inconsolable when he got out of the van. He tried reassuring them that he was just getting out to go round and hug them goodbye and then we hear the wailing escalate as each begs for their hug/contact with Jon. It was wailing and arms outstretched, even the twins, who stood quietly, approached him for their hug, arms outstretched.
Something is wrong and none of the media outlets or tabloids is reporting on this video. Wonder why?
To Peggy P:
I didn’t think that it was my “vivid imagination” that the Gosselin children spent time this summer (I don’t know for sure how much) in Florida, Alaska, NYC and possibly LA. For children aged 6 and 9 years old that sounds like alot to me. Given that the trips (I am assuming) were for filming purposes, those do not sound like relaxed family vacations to me. During those weeks, it seems like they had lots of possibly intentional exposure to paparazzi as well as to the TLC crew when they were in the care of their mother. None of it sounds like fun to me.
I am not taking sides here. Neither parent in my opinion has put the childrens’ interests (other than financial) first and foremost. I continue to believe that it would be a good start to cease filming the children because that eventually and hopefully would lessen the public’s interest in them particularly if both parents focus on developing their own careers independent of the children. There was alot going on if I recall during the year and a half of no filming and don’t feel it is fair to assert that the public’s interest in the children was the sole driver of tabloid interest during that time. I do not follow the tabloids at all but it seems like some celebrities manage to live quite private family lives and I have to believe that it could be possible for the Gosselin children too.
It was wailing and arms outstretched, even the twins, who stood quietly, approached him for their hug, arms outstretched.
Note that the twins came from the house, not inside the van. And the connection to his bodyguard/INF has left some media outlets burned before so maybe they are a little gun shy about buying something else that is staged. It all just seems off somehow. And of course that is why it’s generating all this discussion. It seems off.
Here’s a theory. Jon is not allowed on the property due to past behavior. This is part of the ‘new’ custody arrangement. Jon doesn’t like the rule. Jon sets up a video shoot to show why this is a bad idea. Or even simpler – there is always a videographer at the gate and the gate is broken and has to be opened manually from the inside. So this is the first time they have gotten drop off footage.
To What About the Kids?:
So, the kids took several trips during the summer. That’s what people with children do, if they can afford it, during the summer. My family was definitely middle class and far from wealthy and there were four of us, but we took a lot of trips. My parents were both educators and they believed that travel was educational as well as fun. Yes, the trips could be tiring and stressful (particularly for the kid (me) how got stuck with the hump in the middle of the floor of the back seat and between my two perpetually feuding older sisters in the days before cars had air conditioning) but they could be huge amounts of fun and make lasting memories, including a trip to New York City. From what I can see, the Gosselin kids to interesting places and saw interesting things. The few photos I saw were they were at the vacation site rather than flying back or forth from it, they seemed to be having a good time. As for the paps, considering that they also swarm at the kids’ school bus stop, the front of the house, and any other public place where the kids might be, I don’t see how stopping travelling and/or filming would reduce the amount of pap coverage. Kate’s taken a major (and expensive-mature tree’s aren’t cheap) step in planting the trees in front of the house so that the kids can play in their own front yard without pap interference & exploitation. It appears she will have to take the same step with the back fence, too).
You’re projecting your feelings about filming on the kids. I remember the first special when the crew and kids were reunited; even after a year apart, the kids were thrilled to see their friends back & that’s how they reacted. When they’re interviewed, they also seem relaxed and happy. These days a lot of parents seem to videotape (I’m sure there’s more up-to-date verb) just about everything & it seems to me that is how the kids take it. I have a lot more problems with the dad who videotaped his young son who was loopy on meds after dental work and not only posted the video on You Tube but it apparently now selling t-shirts, etc. of it.
As for celebrity children leading private lives, that seems to be mainly a function of how hot the parent(s) are currently.
You have all sorts of explanations of why stopping filming would work now when it didn’t work before, but you have nothing other than assumptions to support that. I think what Kate is doing is far more sensible. She’s developed and is developing projects that don’t involve the kids and has reduced the filming to specials which require a lot less footage. I wouldn’t be surprised if, after a while, particularly if Twist of Kate does well, the specials will be farther apart and eventually go to annual
Lily@IW- I also knew a little boy who suffered from terrible separation anxiety from infancy until he was about 6 even though both his parents were and are devoted to him. While they eventually divorced, it was about as civilized a divorce as is humanly possible to have and there were no custody issues; they worked out a joint custody arrangement that worked very well until he was 18 & went off to college & it wasn’t needed any more. He got to the point where, if they were going out, he’d go to bed even if it wasn’t dark yet so he didn’t have to see them leave. It was agonizing to witness & be helpless to console him & it was a huge relief when he outgrew it. Today, he is a very level-headed, responsible, mature terrific and loving husband and father of two.
Jon could have quietly hugged and kised his children when loading them up to go home. He yelled at them and by reading other posts, Kate is geting the blame again. I for one could never walk in her shoes with Jon doing the things he does. Hopefully Kate and her lawyers will step in and put a hush on Jon. He is all about revenge, he’s sneaky at doing the set up game on Kate. It’s time TLB drops his contract for good, so Jon will have to go find a job instead of plotting his game plans. Where is his Mother, brothers, support in all of this? They should step in and say it’s time Jon to be a real man, Father, brother, son. There is nothing wrong with their home as one poster seems to think there is. All kids will adjust in time, if both parents handle things between them, and not the public.
Jon’s shenanigans will never end unless a judge steps in , and lays down the law to him! Hopefully, we will see that soon, and if he doesn’t comply, hold him in contempt of court!
As Jon was bringing the children home, it was Jon’s responsibility to make sure the transistion
went smoothly and played it down for the children, NOT Kate’s. kate is NOT responsible for Jon’s behavior.
I repeat, not at any point did Jon ask the pap to not film, waved the pap away or in any way shape or form tried to discouage the pap. Even when the children were yelling for daddy to shut the door, Jon just continued on. Why didn’t he shut the door and turn to the pap and ask him to please not film, couldn’t he see how upset the children were? Why didn’t the guy in the car get out and stand in front of the camera? NOTHING was done by Jon expect let the pap film. There is no getting around that point, none.
All we know is that Jon took Ellen on Kate’s property, without Kate in residence, right in Kate’s fron door with a pap present and did a photo op. We do not know what else went on which wasn’t filmed or shots taken of. We do not know what words were exchanged between Jon and Kate regarding this incident, if any words were exchanged. We do not know if Jon not being allowed on the property had anything to do with the Ellen incident or not. His not being allowed on the property could have something to do with other things which have nothing to do with Ellen being on the property. It could have everything to do with it. It could have to do with Jon bringing th paps on the property.
There is no reason the transistion can’t take place at the gates just a smoothly & as privately as at the front door, none. If Jon doesn’t like having the exchange take place at the gates, then he should let his lawyer take care of it. As he has choosen to have it filmed instead, leads me to think that there are very legimate reasons he isn’t allowed on the property which his lawyer can’t refute. Jon is again trying to use pulic opinion to gain something which the courts evidently won’t approve & he very likely ruined by his own actions himself.
Jon lists his occupation as “Celebrity”!!! So does anyone think Jon would try to get rid of the Paps??? He LOVES the attention–it’s his “job” to get his face in the tabloids! The kids are his ticket!
In the above photo, look how uneasy the children are with the paps present at the apartment. How loathsome of Jon, to allow the cameraman right up close to the van to film, and never say back off or stop filming, now! This was a scheduled filming–what a morally corrupt piece of excrement!!!
Jon is not a celebrity, he is infamous. That is not a good thing.
There are things which can’t be disputed:
Jon did NOTHING to discourage the pap, Jon ignored the children’s repeated cries of daddy shut the door. If the children were terrified of being returned home, it was Jon’s responsibility to hold onto the kids and call the police. Instead he yelled at them that it was enough.
The impression I got was he wanted them upset for impact of filming then when he had what he wanted out of them, they were to shut up.
I totally agree with you Ziggy!! He needs to get a real job!
There are two new shows on tonight. I didn’t know that. They are doing behind the scenes and extra scoops of the episodes of the sextuplet’s birthday and the chicken coop arriving.
As much as the haters hope that the footage of the children crying at the gate is going ruin Kate and take the show off the air, it is not. They’ve been hoping this since the Jess Remo article. Other than Jon & Kate and the family being celebrities from TLC, I don’t see a connection. TLC didn’t film this for their show. This is a parenting issue that the paps caught on film.
I don’t think Jon wants to get rid of the paparazzi either. I’ll speculate without real proof that he makes deals for money. I believe it based on the picture released from Father’s Day when Jon was pictured with his children and Ellen at a private retreat.
Do I think Jon would make a deal with a pap to deliver a video of the kids clinging to him as he dropped them off? I believe it’s possible. I think he needs money. I would bet that video was sold for a lot of money. I hope Jon wasn’t involved.
Just an FYI, the first show isn’t really new. They are doing “pop-ups bytes of info” like PopUp video.
Lily, oh yes. You brought back fond memories. I had almost forgotten about Reporter Jess! (@gmail.com). I wonder whatever became of her. I assume writing for the New York Times?
Thanks for the information on tonight’s show. I wasn’t sure if they were going to include any new clips? I may check out a few minutes of it, but tonight is “Big Brother” night at our house and this doesn’t sound worth DVR’ing necessarily.
PeggyP, Ziggy and HB I agreed with everything you said. Totally. As always.
This was not Kate’s job to make the transition flow well, it was Jon’s. This whole thing has just been ridiculous.
And LP I am assuming you are the same person I had this conversation with before….you were wrong then and are still wrong. I will repeat: I was a preschool teacher fore 3 years, group leader for 2 and a nanny for 10 years, plus I am raising 3 kids. I am also a lunch mom currently which I forgot to mention to you earlier. I have never not worked with kids since I was 14 years old. Not an out of ordinary behavior from 6 years olds. These kids are loud. They play loud, fight loud and cry loud. The show is evidence of that. They have always been upset when they are separated from either parent. Not a new behavior. I have heard my 3 year wail like that multiple times over the past week about completely ridiculous things. Most recently 3 hours ago her cousin was looking at her toy 2 hours ago. My next door neighbor who is 8 was just screaming in the back yard louder than that tape that she was mad because her brother said she was short. I am not sure what kind of kids you’ve been dealing with, but they must be pretty docile kids.
The whole scene in the driveway was very unfortunate, but I’m afraid I can’t extrapolate the facts others do from the limited evidence presented.
I think it’s absurd to suggest that the outburst from the kids was due to fear of their mother or extreme distress at being reunited with her. I will agree with others here and say that I have first-hand knowledge that a child can completely bug out under such circumstances and have it be the result of nothing more than the stress of switching back and forth between parents (and that’s unfortunate enough), probably exacerbated by tiredness.
On the other hand, I can’t say that I know Jon was the villain here. I don’t know that he’s tipping off paparazzi in exchange for payoffs. It wouldn’t surprise me, but I don’t know it to be true in this case. I don’t know the particular circumstances that led to Jon being (apparently) banned from the property. I can speculate – we can all speculate, and lay the blame where we most want it to go. But none of us know the truth. Almost as much as I doubt that the children live in terror of Kate, I doubt that Jon would deliberately rile up his children for the photo op. I just don’t believe either parent deserves to be viewed and judged that harshly, without supporting evidence.
Here’s a picture of Jon and his pap buddy, and it’s the same guy waiting to drive Jon away the day this disgusting video was made.
If you pull the bar to the end of this recent video, you can clearly see it’s the same guy as in the radar pics! This whole horrible fiasco was planned….
I seem to be riding the coat tails of Sheryl…& happily so, as it was mentioned elsewhere, this friend of Jon’s (Bob) WAS an INF photographer apparently outed by a certain failed & self-published author. He as well as the pap, Chris who apparently filmed that despicable video, both live in the Reading area. Surely is easy to come to all sorts of conclusions w. all that being known. First thought that crossed my mind was Jon must be seriously trying to prove he should have more custody – not so much time, but at least have to pay less child support…b/c he has so much time to give them. Could it be that INF refused to sell this video, as surely it so typical of what paps prey for in their world of skank-dom! Oh yes, I’d personally like to think Jon realized after seeing it himself, that he put his foot down…but I’m not so sure that is possible?
After all is said & done…the damage is again on the backs of HIS 8! It was up to him to take charge of the situation as a loving dad, not a loser of a D-listed celeb.
CraftyMomof3 says…I have heard my 3 year wail like that multiple times over the past week about completely ridiculous things. Most recently 3 hours ago her cousin was looking at her toy 2 hours ago. My next door neighbor who is 8 was just screaming in the back yard louder than that tape that she was mad because her brother said she was short. I am not sure what kind of kids you’ve been dealing with, but they must be pretty docile kids.
I just had to laugh at your examples. So funny and true to life.
I have never ‘bought’ the Stepford-like children that the Kate detractors seem to come in contact with and hold up as examples of average children. Very strange and completely unrealistic.
Over at Z on Tv and the BL they are all e-mailing everybody they can think of with the video. They are screaming for the main-stream media to pick this up to prove once and for all what horrible abuse these children suffer at the hands of their abusive b…ch of a mother . These so-called child advocates are clapping their hands with glee because in their minds they finally have the proof they need that Kate is the monster mom that they have all been telling us about. I am firmly convinced that these people have a screw loose. If I were Kate G I swear I would hire a good lawyer and start going after these people. The slanderous accusations that they hurl about her on a daily basis has gotten worse and worse. I watched their show last night and there was NO indication that these children are unhappy or afraid of Kate in anyway. Kate has kept her mouth shut about Jon and taken all the abuse for the sake of her children. If she had slept with 4 other men, moved to at least two different states, and stolen money from Jon I could only imagine what would have happened. She would probably have lost custody altogether. Jon spends 2 days every other week with the kids and plays the rest of the time,yet the haters claim he’s the better parent. The whole thing makes me sick.
One letter to each hate site from Kates attorney will bring action faster than the Khaters screaming all over the net that she abuses her children. The sites seem to print crap that they think are facts (most of which they make up). I’m sure Steve’s company is looking into why Jon set this whole thing up.
I am firmly convinced that these people have a screw loose.
Me, too. It’s depressing to read those sites sometimes. It’s hard to believe those sites are run by a real lawyer and a real journalist.
Ann, I think they might be referred to as the proverbial bottom-of-the barrel types =(
>>Ann@IW says:
I am firmly convinced that these people have a screw loose.Me, too. It’s depressing to read those sites sometimes. It’s hard to believe those sites are run by a real lawyer and a real journalist. <<
PLEASE don’t judge either profession, both of which have many members who have devoted their lives to helping others, by either of these two. I’m no longer an active attorney; I voluntarily took retired status when I retired from my job, but I cringe when anyone refers to the one as Blogging Lawyer. On Sageway Express, I suggested BB for Blogging Busybody or Blogging Buttinsky (or any other “B” word you want it to mean). I question how successful she can be if she can devote so much of her time to stalking and harassing a total stranger.
Peggy, I agree, neither of these professions should be judged on the actions of these two. These two are the bottom of the barrel for their professions. From now out out, I will refer to the formerly known BL as BB and the second B doesn’t stand for any of your suggestions!
PeggyP, I think I know (and love) three of the most ethical lawyers in the country. Maybe that’s why she depresses me. That, and the fact that she is wrong so often. And she deleted Erin Kate’s corrections to her legal analysis (that’s IW’s favorite lawyer!) As for Z on TV (what’s his name?) I haven’t been back since I tried to get a reasonable and respectful dissenting comment posted many months ago. He struck me as a real coward.
PeggyP, I didn’t know you were a lawyer! I am not surprised. You actually know how to read and interpret the law. So, IW has another favorite lawyer. Yeah!
Rep. Murt has won a key labor law victory??
PeggyP, is this a natural part of the process to get his bill passed ito law? If so, I don’t have a problem with it.
http://www.myfoxphilly.com/dpp/entertainment/080510-murt-wins-key-child-labor-law-victory
Im all for protecting children, but my question for Murt would be “What are you going to do for all the other children in the State Of PA, whose parents have lost their jobs, poor education system, people going out of business business, life savings, health care.” Paul Peterson is also making a living using the G’s children and Murt is up for re-election. I feel for the taxpayers of PA today, as they are far more important issues that need to be taken care of. Most states have welcomed filming in their states, brings lots of jobs to the area and $$$$.
Ann says…So, IW has another favorite lawyer. Yeah!
We are pretty blessed, aren’t we?
Of course, we don’t have a Cancer Doctor, but you can’t have everything. (Ignore that if it doesn’t make sense. I am referring to old school GWoP).
Murt must have friends at Fox. As I understand it, he got Democratic legislators to hold a hearing? Lawmakers LOVE to hold hearings. Doesn’t mean he has won a victory. Not that I object to the legislation. It will probably pass. That’s fine, although as JustPoor points out, PA and other states have much larger problems to tackle.
Most hearings result in nothing just a bunch of words and is a waste of taxpapyer money.
Whether Murt won anything or not, I wish they’d hurry up and pass the legislation. I know it all takes a awhile. I’m not sure of any trickle-down affects but it seems like an okay law to me. What will the complaints be then? Maybe they’ll direct their anger at the on-set teacher. If there’s one assigned to Kate+8, I would feel sorry for that person. Can you imagine the emails?
It’s all so silly to focus this energy on the Gs. TLC hasn’t announced any more specials w/the kids beyond the twelve shows they’re filming. Kate’s show is supposed to air this Fall. Justpoor, I would feel the same as you if PA was my home.
PeggyP, I don’t mean it as offensive. Referring to her as a lawyer is kind of a joke since she deleted Erin Kate’s comments. Anyone that has glanced over there can see the obvious slant and lack of facts. She reaches really far like criticizing Kate for leaving the state for Jon’s custody time. Jon was living out of state at the time. I have really enjoyed your posts. You bring lots of good info.
I was kind of wondering about the repercussions Jon would face in family court if he did set-up the video. Ntm, that would again, be breaching his contract w/TLC.
So much tabloid stuff w/the Gosselins, that it’s easy to forget some of the stuff. To give Kate credit (again) for being around Jon for the sake of the kids; I remembered that Jon stayed at the house shortly after he had surprised Kate by filing for custody of the children and right after she was eliminated. Like I said before, Kate may have to change this exchange arrangement but I think it was made for a reason.
http://showbiz.sky.com/jon-and-kate-reunite
http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2010/04/photos-jon-kate-gosselin-both-pennsylvania-home-sunday#comments
Of course, we don’t have a Cancer Doctor, but you can’t have everything~Anya
That is so funny. Some of them make me laugh every time.
I have never ‘bought’ the Stepford-like children that the Kate detractors seem to come in contact with and hold up as examples of average children. Very strange and completely unrealistic.
Thank you, Thank you, Thank you….I shout because my ears are still ringing from the screams of my children:)
I’m really sad that Jon would find that video the least bit funny, I can only hope that the kids never become aware of it or his tweets! I try to give the guy the benefit of the doubt on many occasions….but man he’s making it really hard!
I have not watched the video of the kids(I refuse to support that vulture in anyway, just can’t do it:(…but I’ve been there with the dramatic drop offs & pick ups. For a very long time (still occasionally) my daughter would cry for me when I dropped her off..& cry for her dad when I picked her up! It’s really hard on kids, and I can only imagine how it would seem that much more intense when it’s 6 or 8 kids who are upset!
Seriously, why can’t there be laws about the paparazzi stalking & exploiting children! Murt, Paul that would get some attention & support I’m sure!
Peggy…Every profession has a few bad apples, but to me it never spoils the bunch:) I hear where your coming from though I don’t care for the way a few professions are portrayed over in Haterville.
Are there stalking laws on the books in PA that Kate could file on Jon’s pap. Hey Chris, maybe it’s time you moved on and go find another family to follow. Anyone that is attached to Jon will sooner or later go down in his flames.
Paul Perterson is making money off the G’s children. His non=profit does not say whether he takes a salary from his company?? I wish someone would find this out. Strange to think you make your living destroying someones elses living. Hmmm———–.
Thanks PeggyP, I appreciate your wisdom.
I love this site!!
You can count on Peggy doing a top notch job of research and presenting the law. Even if she may personally have a different opinion of said law, she will give the proper interpretation of the law.
Clearly the haters can’t comprehend that well behaved children are not Stepford like children.
Once upon a time all children were expected to behave like civilized humans in public. From my own experience, 99% of parents today need to get some Stepford-ish qualities into their children regarding their behavior in public.
Lily@IW I NEVER thought you were being offensive in using BL! It was an established term for her long before I came on the scene. The abbbreviation BL just grates on me on general principles so I thought I’d offer alternative acryonyms for her that would identify her without bringing being a lawyer into it.
Clearly the haters can’t comprehend that well behaved children are not Stepford like children.
The other thing that grates on me is that the criticism does not take into account the very specific issues with premmies and multiples. Really? You think it’s a piece of cake to get all 6 toddlers to give up the pacifier at the same time? You think that 6 siblings interacting is the same as 6 unrelated preschoolers? So you have one bathroom on each floor and that is enough to potty train 6 children at the same time? (Memories of kicking in public bathroom doors with a child about to wet themselves.)
I really wish these 6 had developed their own language and words for things, apparently common in high order multiples. My neighbor’s quads did that. It was hysterical and their parents struggled like crazy.
I think the best thing that comes from the other series on tups is that you can see a home that does not have the military precision of the Gosselins. I don’t think one is better than the other but it does illustrate the different parenting styles and the end result.
I can’t find the Mashe show in Canada, it would be interesting to compare though Marie. ITA with your observations on the fact that they are multiples & preemies, makes it a totally unique situation. Some things are the same in their home as mine, but on a much larger (and probably stressful level) Some things are just very different but why does that have to be wrong? Every family needs to develop to fit their needs.
@Lily, I never got the filtered water critic either! Nor, do I see how organic as often as possible has become a bashing favorite
Kate clearly stated that she TRIES to use organic food as often as possible. What’s wrong with that? When did that become a bad thing? I lol when a few sites were having a fit, because the kids were eating Gold Fish & felt that prooved Kate to be a liar!
Momsby, I couldn’t find the first one online, it was called OMG Sextuplets. I thought it was the most interesting because it started sometime during Jenny’s pregnancy and took it through the birth. It was heart-failure that almost took Jenny right after delivery. She couldn’t see her babies until 5 days later. If you ever get a chance to catch it, it’s a good watch.
Do they need a hearing on this law? I don’t get it. I didn’t think there was much objectionable to the law. I wonder what is being disputed. I hope it will be broadcast on PCN. Maybe I should email my request that they broadcast it.
Thanks Lily I’ll try to see if I can find it… the mom will probably become another mom I’ll identify with. If only because I did not get to see my youngest baby for 3days either, the nurse, brought her only when she was stable enough & for a few minutes
It was awful.
Worse for my husband because he was totally torn as to whose bedside to sit on..
I don’t remember much, but word on the street is I got pretty demanding about getting up to see my baby & could not understand why nobody would bring me a breast pump, I think they finally took me down on day 4 or 5, just to shut me up.
Wait.. is there a MWOP if so maybe I should not even watch, I might end up with blogitist or something lol I don’t know if I have it in me to become attached to another reality family that gets picked on.
Wait.. is there a MWOP if so maybe I should not even watch, I might end up with blogitist or something lol I don’t know if I have it in me to become attached to another reality family that gets picked on.
Well I think they are ice skating in Hades. The TWOP thread on the Maches points out the number of things that the Gosselins did that the Maches could learn from. Car snacks on long drives, getting breakfast set up the night before etc.
MarieS…thanks for the heads up PHEW , now if I can find it to watch… I will;0
The problem I have with the on-set teacher idea is that this is not like a movie or tv show set where the child or children are but one part (and, quite often, not the most important) part of a large and complicated production set up & it is very important for someone to look after each child and his/her interests and well-being. In the case of reality show families, even if they are being filmed, they are still a family. Who is in charge, the parent or the on-set person? Will kids learn to play the parent(s) and the on-site person against each other? Peterson, in particular, seems to have an irrebutable presumption that parents are not only incapable of looking after the interests of their children but that the parents, above all others, are who the kids need to be protected FROM. (BTW, for the dynamics of the set of a scripted TV series with multiple child actors, I highly recommend the entertaining and shrewdly observant “Memoirs of a Prairie Bitch” by Alison Arngrim (Nellie on Little House on the Prairie)) The Gosselins all go to an excellent private school which has done an impeccable job of protecting the kids’ privacy. What do they need with a teacher during filming? In this case, the children are happy, healthy, going to school and the L & I investigation was quite clear on its finding that, whatever the merits of whether permits were needed, there was no indication of anything adverse happening to the kids.
The Dionnes are often thrown into the mix by the Khaterz as a horrid example of what will happen to the Gosselin kids without Murt’s legislation being passed. The absolute opposite is the case. The ironic thing is that the worst of the damage (with the exception of their allegations that they were sexually abused by their father after they were returned to their parents) to the Dionnes wasn’t done by their parents. The government of Ontario almost instantly jumped to the conclusion that the poverty stricken parents couldn’t cope with the five unexpected mouths to feed (The Dionnes were that rarest of high order multiples: monozygote (identical)). Instead of helping and supporting the parents, the Government of Ontario seized the babiews. The girls had very little contact with their family during this period and there was no sense of bonding or relationship with their parents and other siblings or, indeed any other children. When the family was finally physically reunited, the damage done was irreparable & the girls had no social skills for dealing with any outside work.
Murt led with the show trial testimony of the Kreiders with Allred supporting them. To me, that indicates the absolute opposite of any serious, unbiased attempts to find out what issues are involved in filming entire families that include small children and what, if anything, is needed beyond what already exists. He’s done nothing since then that indicates that his interest actually extends beyond the Gosselins’ specific situation.
Peggy, You never cease to amaze me at you ability to see things and express them.
Yes, Petersen does take the stand that the kids need to be protected from their own parents, doesn’t he?
I have trouble with the on set teacher, as well. I’m not necessarily opposed to someone qualified to check in and make sure laws are being adhered to – although I doubt that necessary in Kate’s case, but since they’re revamping the law, must take into consideration all possible scenario’s. It it’s a social worker, is a licensed one required? As they are being filmed just living their life, what if said person has issues with the way a parent parents when the issue may simply be a difference of preferences, beliefs? I just see this as a pandora’s box of problems without any solution to.
Petersen seems to have dug in his heels with the failure to acknowledge the differences in filming children going about their own life and and children working on a set.
Thanks Ziggy. You’re too kind. The one thing that really bugs me is this stereotype that all former child performers are drugged out failures. Many segue into significant adult careers. Even some of them hit rocky patches but many non-celebrities do too. Even before her breakout role in Party of Five, Jennifer Love Hewitt was in a long-running Disney series, Kids, Inc, along with a lot of other kids including Mario Lopez and a girl called Stacy Ferguson (now better known as Fergie of the Black Eyed Peas). True, Britney Spears has had more than her fair share of problems, but that is not true of many of her fellow former All-New Mickey Mouse Club (the 1990s revival) such as Justin Timberlake, Christina Aguilera, Keri Russell, Ryan Gosling, and J.C. Chasez.
Alison Arngrim pointed to a critical point; On LHOTP, Michael Landon expected the kids to be kids but still be professional in their behavior as well. She feels a lot of child performers are simply asked to toe a mark, make cute faces, and recite some “cute” tag line. Well, there comes a day when they’re not cute any longer and they have no idea of how to cut it in a role that actually requires them to act and be professional. (I know I keep quoting her but her new memoirs are a hoot; she also has a standup act.)
I am also unclear about the on-set teacher requirement. I always understood that to be for child actor to ensure the continuity of their educational program. Is the teacher supposed to be more of an advocate for the child, making sure the filming restrictions are followed? If so, why use a teacher and not a lawyer or social worker? If the teacher is supposed to monitor their educational programs, why would s/he be needed if the children regularly attend a school? Why not just require something similar to what is required in a homeschool evaluation? Although, for the life of me, I do not “get” what the evaluator would say, since the kids go to school.
Maybe this needs to be addressed at the hearing. Maybe the teacher will be required if filming requires a certain number of missed school days. Again, considering our homeschool laws and the laws governing non-public schools (these are far more relaxed than for public schools, thankfully) I doubt the Gosselins will have any need for state interference. The Gosselins, after all, attend school.
I hope these legislators actually care what they are passing and not just behaving like star struck fans who want to come across as heroes.
It seems that most child actors who have problems relating to being a child actor are those who didn’t have a stable homelife to begin with. Those who did have a stable home life, although might run into problems, all see to do just fine. I could go again into listing about child actors who have turned out well, but that has been repeated many times. Some child actors have choosen to get out of the profression, some choose to get their college degree and then return to acting, some have stayed in acting.
For those who don’t have a stable homelife, even if their money is secured, it has been shown that when they reach an age to manage their money themselves, they blow through it and their life is no more stable or successfl because of that. Not saying that the money shouldn’t be protected, but Petersen & Murt are putting all their focus on issues that really have a deeper underlying cause & effect.
I read an article about the filming of Nadya Suleman’s reality show (which I guess has never been seen) and they talked to the mandated children’s welfare rep, or “studio teacher”. She said she is there to make sure they adhere to the hours the children are allowed to be filmed, and to look for signs of “distress”. She also seemed pretty impressed with Nadya.
I think, in a perfect world, it would be a good idea to have such a person with the Gosselins, so we could all rest easy about them. But we all know that would never happen in Gosselinland.
If things go on as usual with the filming, it will be assumed that the teacher is being bribed by TLC , or threatened by Kate and Steve. And I do think it would be odd for anyone to have a stranger in your home, advising you on what your children are allowed to do.
Also, ITA with Peggy P, Ann, and Ziggy above.
Kiki, you made a good point. If the ‘overseer’ gave Kate a glowing report, or at the very least, had nothing negative to say, yes, they would accuse TLC of paying her off. Also, if that were the case, nothing negative to report, they would then try to find said person in real life to attack and try to destroy. What protection is the government of PA going to give said person?
For this, the government of PA can thank the very one’s they are basing the testimony in the hearing around, JoKe.
Also, I think people are expecting this person to actually tell Kate how to treat her children, and to monitor how often she hugs them, what she feeds them, etc. And if some sort of “report” doesn’t come out, it will be demanded. I do pity whoever gets this job.
Sad. This is what divorce does to kids. It’s a shame that Kate split with Jon. All she was thinking about was herself and her career.
But I do think people are making a bigger deal of this than it needs be. The kids do love Kate, they also love Jon.
I think Kate should grow up. Not letting Jon in to the house is so immature. I’m sure after she sees this video, TLC will advise her on letting Jon in.
Hmmm. I’m local (enough.) I’m a certified teacher. I’d take the job!
LM,
You are assuming you know the reasons for Kate not letting Jon past the gates.
That is foolish. Kate has been more than fair to Jon. He is the one who used and abused
that fairness.
Jon made an *** of himself in that video.
If I”m not mistaken, Jon told Kate he was getting a divorce, that he had a lawyer and that she’d better get herself one. It was agreed between them that Kate would be the one to actually file.
Jon committed adultery and in my book, there is absolutely NO excuse for that. NONE. PERIOD. Adultery is adultery, any way you cut it, in spite of any excuses one wants to give for it.
LM, I disagree that it’s immature of Kate not to let Jon on the property. Sometimes you can’t foresee all the possible problems and the situation has to be tweaked. She may change it, but TLC won’t have any say-so in custody issues. That’s between the parents and family court. Not you, but I do remember other people cheering that Jon did not let Kate on the property when it was his custody time and Kate had concerns about babysitter, Stefanie. Hopefully, both parents can work together to make it as easy as possible on their children. Either way, the children will still feel the grief of divorce and hopefully it will ease in time.
That would be great. If the teacher is there for education purposes only, then I’m not sure what the role would be as an advocate. I thought it was sort of an CYA type of thing in case a director expects something ridiculous from a child or something that could be unsafe. They certainly wouldn’t supersede parental control over everyday family living.
Ann, you’re my first choice. Should I write Rep. Murt and recommend you?
Thanks for the kind words Mom Of KT.
LM. Would you let someone tell you how to raise your kids?? No matter what a parent does for a living, how does anyone know if the parents put their own children in harms way. If you run a eating place, and your kids come into the kitchen and gets burned and your cameras are going that watch the other staff, should we take away your children and tell you you are an unfit Mother or Father. Lets just require all parents have to film their kids everyday so we know how parents are raising their children. Kates life is out there, and I feel she is doing a great job, considereing the terrible past year that Jon has put the family through.
Kiki says…Also, I think people are expecting this person to actually tell Kate how to treat her children, and to monitor how often she hugs them, what she feeds them, etc. And if some sort of “report” doesn’t come out, it will be demanded. I do pity whoever gets this job.
I agree, Kiki. That is why as much as I think Ann@IW would be great in this role (really any role educating and dealing with children), I almost wouldn’t want her to get the job.
We already know how the haters stalk anyone even remotely tied to Kate (Jamie, Gina Nield, etc.). I am sure if this person’s name came out they would be parked on his/her doorstep demanding to know all the details and offering, um, advice!
I feel that an impartial advocate for the kids would not be a bad thing…in regards to the crew & filming. I don’t think on other productions they are taking over the role of parents, I’m sure that will infuriate some:)
If it could end some of the nasty rumours about Kate as a parent or the sick innuendos about the crew..IMO it would be well worth it.
Ann..if you did get the job I’m sure you’d get an over whelming amount of letters & e-mails with the improper use of K’s.
If ever you were approached by any of the hater’s, I’m sure Steve would break out the “rat claws” to protect you;0
The one thing that really bugs me is this stereotype that all former child performers are drugged out failures. Many segue into significant adult careers. Even some of them hit rocky patches but many non-celebrities do too.
ITA with this. People act like being a child actor is a straight road to hell. It’s not. It’s not that simple. I agree that with some of these people it’s a chicken-egg situation – what sort of parents may push these kids into this sort of career? In any case, I don’t believe that being on TV as a child means that one’s life is irrevocably ruined.
LM=
You forget that Kate not only initially allowed Jon on the property, she allowed him to stay there & she’d leave. He abused her trust. He brought girlfriends on the property and, according to at least two of them, had sex with them there while his kids were sleeping upstairs: one of the girlfriends also helped babysit the kids (let’s forget the little detail that he hired her/started sleeping with her after meeting her barhopping): according to the lover/babysitter, Jon hacked into Kate’s computer, cell phone and other personal things and used the information to, among other things, alert the paps to Kate’s whereabouts so she could do nothing in peace; he shot a pistol on the property without taking even the most rudimentary precautions, etc.
Personally, I think that one of the nannies should make the transfer. Apparently, Kate is still sparing Jon from having to buy a vehicle that can hold all 8 kids & letting him drive the family vehicle. I say let a nanny drive the kids in the van to Jon’s, followed by one of the bodyguards. After she turns the kids over to Jon (hopefully in the apartment out of pap range) and the bodyguard can give her a ride back. When the time comes for the kids to return home, the bodyguard drives the nanny over to pick up the van & the kids. The bodyguard can, in both turnover and return, make sure the paps do not get too aggressive around the kids. It’s not unusual for third parties to manage the transfers.
I agree PeggyP that one of the nannies should make the transfer. What a hassle!
The van is probably registered to Kate since she has physical custody of the kids and has been handling the family finances. It may be part of the custody arrangement that she has ownership of the van on the condition that Jon be able to use it while the chidlren are in his care.
Momsby, you are too funny.
I also think a child advocate on set (still not sure why it would have to be a licensed teacher?) would be a good thing. I have given up hope that the critics will not criticize, though. There are people who think TLC decides whether Kate should keep Jon off her property. The kids were off the air for several months and nothing subsided. Instead we saw a Krazy Kate Kalendar counting the days Kate was with her kids. That stayed up until it became obvious Kate is with her children far more than not. Some bloggers just don’t have enough life experience to make sense about the whole thing.
PeggyP said: Murt led with the show trial testimony of the Kreiders with Allred supporting them. To me, that indicates the absolute opposite of any serious, unbiased attempts to find out what issues are involved in filming entire families that include small children and what, if anything, is needed beyond what already exists. He’s done nothing since then that indicates that his interest actually extends beyond the Gosselins’ specific situation.
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Since you live in PA maybe you should contact Murts opponent and let him know about the Krieders. I think the people of PA that do not know the whole truth should be told.
I’m wondering if it’s the term teacher that is causing the confusion…the Gosselins already go to a good school & don’t miss enough that they would need on site tutoring. A teacher would be needed for other kids…but if they are updating the laws to incorporate all the reality families in PA*eye rolls* hopefully they’ll realize the needs are slightly different.
@Ann Those Krazy Kountdowns are something, eh? Beyond ridiculous & just plain cruel:(
Back to the original topic of the INF video…I am far from agile using the net to gather celebrity news, but from what I’ve read it would appear that there were no big tabloids that ran w. that video. Anyone’s guess as to why it wasn’t mainstreamed would be interesting to hear.
Jon protests waaay too much about his every move being captured w. his children on his Twitter page. Repeating over & over how much he loves & misses them. Could he have previewed that video & made it too costly a deal for his private pap-follower? Obviously I have no idea how INF works w. selling their product, but it does seem odd it was put on the INF page & never picked up! Jon Gosselin is all about producing $ w/o doing the work.
Gee Whiz-A Democrat from another county writing Murt would probably only encourage him. Mont may be doing this to shore up his Republican base but he may just be doing this to get pubicity. I literally NEVER remember hearing about him before this and I’m pretty into politics.
HB-I thoroughly agree with you. I think the video went WAY too far to be commercial. Unless someone is so into hating Kate that hearing the children’s distress and twisting it to blame Kate excites them, I think most people would be horribly upset in listening to it. I think Jon messed up any effort to sell it by not making sure he was seen comforting a child. Instead, we don’t know what he’s doing in the back of the van, and the video ends with him snapping at the kids to stop it. Whatever the cause, it harms the case for selling Jon as the loving, nurturing parent. I don’t have children of my own but I have spent real time, hours and even days, looking after my nieces and nephews when they were little & their parents needed assistance/an extra pair of hands. I am capable of distinguishing a tantrum and/or whining cry from a child from the type of crying one gets from a child having a meltdown from exhaustion, fear, illness, etc. Tantrums & whining shouldn’t be indulged but there are times, particularly when they are still rather young to be able to truly articulate what they’re feeling, when they are having a meltdown from exhaustion, fear, separation anxiety, etc., they just need to be held by an adult whom they trust who then speaks to the child in a calm and reassuring voice, just making sure the child feel loveds & secure so the child can calm himself/herself.
Every new job, interview, TV guest spot that Kate gets, particularly on the quality of shows on which she gets them, must rub salt in Jon’s wounded ego. I don’t think he will ever accept that Kate took nothing away from him; he made himself poison in the entertainment industry. The extent to which the entertainment industry will tolerate bad boy behavior tends to be proportional to the talent and box office appeal of the bad boy.
Peggy, ‘not being a parent’ does not take away the common sense card. Both of our children are adopted, & it never occurred to me that the ‘social worker’ who interviewed us, our friends, relatives, & did endless home studies was NOT qualified b/c she never married (or had children). She was as smart as a whip. Knew what counted the most in selecting parents for a specific child, ETC. She was GOLDEN!
I’ve stuck w. this Gosselin story much longer than I ever intended - mainly b/c of some of the wiser comments put out. Being a whisper away from my 7th decade, I still learn & have hope that my children’s generation will adhere to some of the old folk’s wisdom as well. My somewhat mid-Victorian principles… such as youth get off their bums when an adult enters a room; a man opens a door for a woman; written thank you notes…etc. Little things to some, but as time goes on, I find common decency & thoughtful consideration of others has become a dying code of honor. This worries me, as I watch this mother of 8 cope. Albeit she is a t.v. mom, but like her or not…she’s out there learning parenting skills while the cameras roll. None of our children come w. explicit instructions. I’ll drag Jon into this as well. No, I won’t bother. I’m one of the few who never liked him much to begin with. Always thought he’d be a better favorite Uncle who’d come to play & then go home.
Yep, I’ve had my Sunday sermon. Now it’s time to change into tennis gear. ;0)
I agree that the video was too distasteful to be picked up. It also seemed staged to many, many people.
I thought it was strange that the video wasn’t picked up. Although, I doubt it was because it was distasteful. Tabloids love sensitization and I can’t imagine that E.T., Extra and Access Hollywood suddenly obtained some scruples. I don’t know for what reasons INF wouldn’t be willing to sell. I do wonder if it is somehow linked to the possibility that it was staged, but I have no idea. (Could he have held the door open any wider and any longer?)
HB, hope you had great game today.
Jon failed with the entertaiment business again, but sadly he has no idea what he has done to his children again. Kate’s lawyer must step in and stop him, he is out of control. He is the one who is damaging the kids. The others news programs that did not pick up his story just sent a message to Jon—–you are infamous!!! Get a real job Jon and get off of twitter!!!
Hello Sweet IW Friends,
Well, just when I thought I couldn’t feel any sicker tonight, Jon’s quote about that demeaning, ridiculous and totally unnecessary rap video took the cake. You know, it’s not like we see Kate out there laughing and making the past 10 years of their lives and demise of his family…”hilarious.”
I can say one thing for sure…that little “tweet” confirmed to me that he hasn’t changed and that is just beyond selfish.
Hope y’all are all doing ok. I’m fighting a severe bacterial infection, so may end up being readmitted tomorrow. Even though leaving my husband and kids for me to go into the hospital is heart breaking…ignoring these symptoms could make the difference in life or death!
Jacquelyn, I hope you’re home with your family right now and not in the hospital. Please continue to keep your attitude as strong as you have been.
I haven’t read Kate’s latest book. But, from what I read on one of our threads, she was very kind towards Jon.
I just popped in to see what’s new in the world of the Gosselin family. My two cents, that rapper really must be desperate to make a rap about Kate. Seriously, is that all he has to do? Anyone can make a video and put it on the net like they are a star. Does he think anyone will follow his career when he admits to spending his time watching J&K plus 8? Just silly. I don’t twitter so if that was Jon’s response, he should be ashamed of himself. Anyone knows bashing the mother of your children is a bad mistake but to do it in such a public forum will surely come back to haunt him. The drop off exchange is just sad. He should have called Kate and said he wasn’t dropping them off with photogs waiting. Have some respect for your kids. Who knows what was said when he rolled up the window or if the kids were tired or sick. I’m sure they miss their father. Of course they will cry at the exchange, most young children do unless their parents are mindful of how hard it is on the kids. Kids of divorce are often conflicted and one word from the parent (not even intentional) will throw them into a fit. These poor babies may end up with some much guilt over enjoying time with either parent. We have no idea what was said in that care but a simple, “I won’t see you for a few weeks” would send them into tears. It is odd that the exchange happened at the gate. If it’s a case of him not being allowed on the property they should make the exchange in a less public area. Just sad that Jon and Kate don’t come up with a better way to handle it.
I didn’t worry about the children when the show was in production and they were growing up on TV. I worry more now what bitterness of a divorce is may do.
From pics I’ve seen of the area, it’s looks like a pretty moderately traveled road. If the trasfer is handed as it was in the latest video, I don’t see the issue. It is more private than a police parking lot would be. Could the police stop paps with zoom lens?
When you have Nosey Neighbor blogging about where the exchange is taking place and Jon doing these video’s, it really pretty much doesn’t matter where the transfer takes place. And Jon doing these video’s are un-necessary and not putting the children first, only done to serve his selfish reasons.
Ziggy, the last video of the exchange was interesting…the vehicle that Jon parked his Mercedes infront of…looked like his pap-friend’s car from the 1st exchange. Given the photo Sage posted of Jon w. that smug look & nasty finger…all for show!
Jon’s life coach has a student who is either NOT listening, or talks a good talk, while Jon doesn’t walk in the path she’s written about w. such joyful pride. Anyway, something is NOT going according to ‘amicably working out’ the kinks in re. to getting on for the children’s sake’! The vibes I pick up do not leave out Ellen in the scheme of things either. Too much in similarities w. Hailey’s reporting – after being dumped for a newer model. (Poor IW…I should not, but will… Ellen shot herself in the foot when she had the greatest of opportunities to put a real face on at least being neutral for the 8′s sake.)
I didn’t worry about the children when the show was in production and they were growing up on TV. I worry more now what bitterness of a divorce is may do.- Kat
Me too.